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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on August 17, 2023, 03:55:43 PM

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I saw some people say Football is the sport for poor people and poor nations because this sport needs just one ball, but in this new generation, the rich countries with better situations will invest money there and this investment is the reason for other countries Venezuela to have bad performance and usually fail in the race with other teams.

Not even one ball.

Kids everywhere in the world would just start kicking anything to play football, it's typical to see in the favelas in Brazil barefoot kids just kicking whatever object was around them for a quick game.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on August 16, 2023, 07:50:05 AM

Football is first priority in some countries like Brazil, that's why we can see people think a country like Brazil got more chance to win the world cup ticket than other teams in CONMEBOL, also since the European countries invest much more than other countries, we usually see these teams on Europe have better performance in world cup every year.

I feel like it's more like a cultural thing than anything else. Argentina is not a rich nation at all, they do not have money to invest into anything at all, most of the players that become world stars ended up getting there from a poor family that lived in terrible sheds as well. I believe that there are some born rich ones as well, but not all of them at all. This is why I believe that we need to make sure that things look as good as it could potentially look.

I understand that it is not going to be easy to handle but it is still a situation to see and should be considered a big deal. I know that we are at a stage where we just have to accept whichever teams go from which continent, but it's cultural and not money related.

I saw some people say Football is the sport for poor people and poor nations because this sport needs just one ball, but in this new generation, the rich countries with better situations will invest money there and this investment is the reason for other countries Venezuela to have bad performance and usually fail in the race with other teams.

This is about accessibility, the more expensive the sport is the less people will practice it while the cheaper it is the more people will be able to practice it, soccer is relatively inexpensive for kids to play as you only need some open space, some friends, a ball and some rocks or another item to indicate the position of the goal line, while a sport like hockey requires all kind of equipment that can only be afforded by those which have a significant amount of money.

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Quote from: gagux123 on August 17, 2023, 02:27:23 AM

Yes this is true! Many young European players have a great possibility of playing in some European team, of course, there are teams that are the elite of Europe, but there are also teams that are of a lower quality.
For a young man to play for a big club, it will depend on his performance, opportunity and also on his manager.

In the last world cups, I confess that Germany played below its potential, it is far from being the team of the 2014 cup, I could even say that the German team is in decline, another team (outside Europe) that is also in decline is Brazil, they will hardly have another team like the 2002 or 2006, for example.

I am not sure whether you can compare Germany with Brazil. The problem with Germany is that younger players are not coming up. They are overdependent on some of the oldies such as İlkay Gündoğan, Marco Reus, Manuel Neuer and Thomas Müller. On the other hand, although there is some dependence on Neymar, Brazil do have a great bunch of younger players. I am talking about Antony, Emerson, Vitor Roque and Raphinha. The only issue with Brazil is that their national league is not strong and most of the players are dependent on European leagues.

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Quote from: sana54210 on August 16, 2023, 09:48:04 PM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on August 16, 2023, 07:50:05 AM

Football is first priority in some countries like Brazil, that's why we can see people think a country like Brazil got more chance to win the world cup ticket than other teams in CONMEBOL, also since the European countries invest much more than other countries, we usually see these teams on Europe have better performance in world cup every year.

I feel like it's more like a cultural thing than anything else. Argentina is not a rich nation at all, they do not have money to invest into anything at all, most of the players that become world stars ended up getting there from a poor family that lived in terrible sheds as well. I believe that there are some born rich ones as well, but not all of them at all. This is why I believe that we need to make sure that things look as good as it could potentially look.

I understand that it is not going to be easy to handle but it is still a situation to see and should be considered a big deal. I know that we are at a stage where we just have to accept whichever teams go from which continent, but it's cultural and not money related.

I saw some people say Football is the sport for poor people and poor nations because this sport needs just one ball, but in this new generation, the rich countries with better situations will invest money there and this investment is the reason for other countries Venezuela to have bad performance and usually fail in the race with other teams.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 16, 2023, 12:46:28 PM

The advantage with European teams is that they have the best football leagues in the world. This means that their younger players get a chance to play with some of the best in football. This is a luxury that is not provided to the younger players in CONMEBOL, AFC or CAF. However, the situation is changing now, as Saudi league is gaining a lot of traction. Even then, it is just this one league in AFC, while all the other popular leagues are in UEFA. And despite all this, some of the UEFA teams are in continuous decline (Germany, Netherlands, Danmark.etc).

Yes this is true! Many young European players have a great possibility of playing in some European team, of course, there are teams that are the elite of Europe, but there are also teams that are of a lower quality.
For a young man to play for a big club, it will depend on his performance, opportunity and also on his manager.

In the last world cups, I confess that Germany played below its potential, it is far from being the team of the 2014 cup, I could even say that the German team is in decline, another team (outside Europe) that is also in decline is Brazil, they will hardly have another team like the 2002 or 2006, for example.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 16, 2023, 12:46:28 PM

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The advantage with European teams is that they have the best football leagues in the world. This means that their younger players get a chance to play with some of the best in football. This is a luxury that is not provided to the younger players in CONMEBOL, AFC or CAF. However, the situation is changing now, as Saudi league is gaining a lot of traction. Even then, it is just this one league in AFC, while all the other popular leagues are in UEFA. And despite all this, some of the UEFA teams are in continuous decline (Germany, Netherlands, Danmark.etc).

Yes, that's true, but also the teams in those leagues have people from all around the world, not just from Europe, so they might be from those other confederations.

I wouldn't say Germany and the others are in decline, it's just that it's now much more competitive than before.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on August 16, 2023, 10:22:14 PM

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The performance of these four teams, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark or Italy, is not the same as before, we have noticed a lot of decline in their performance in the last World Cup. Germany was eliminated from the group stage in the last World Cup. The performance of these teams in Europe must change.

Yeah.. I should have added Italy as well. Until the late 1990s, they constantly ranked as one of the top-5 teams. Now they are not even in top-10 and for Qatar 2022 they didn't even managed to qualify. Central European teams are having serious issues in replacing their retiring players. And this is happening despite the fact that quality of their national leagues remain intact. At the same time, teams like England and France are not facing this issue. A lot of quality players are rising through the ranks in these two nations.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 16, 2023, 12:46:28 PM

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Football is first priority in some countries like Brazil, that's why we can see people think a country like Brazil got more chance to win the world cup ticket than other teams in CONMEBOL, also since the European countries invest much more than other countries, we usually see these teams on Europe have better performance in world cup every year.

The advantage with European teams is that they have the best football leagues in the world. This means that their younger players get a chance to play with some of the best in football. This is a luxury that is not provided to the younger players in CONMEBOL, AFC or CAF. However, the situation is changing now, as Saudi league is gaining a lot of traction. Even then, it is just this one league in AFC, while all the other popular leagues are in UEFA. And despite all this, some of the UEFA teams are in continuous decline (Germany, Netherlands, Danmark.etc).

Its not guarantee with their opportunity for winning FIFA World Cup, you can see what happen England have competitive league and the best around the world but their national team difficult become the winner. Have been more than 50 years England never won World Cup and best achievement lead to semifinal stage. Usually UEFA national teams have bigger chance winning World Cup but last edition on FIFA World Cup 2022 Qatar have CONMEBOL national teams Argentina success become the champion. I am little disappointed with Asian national teams failed to lead until semifinal or final stage and last achievement from South Korea success become third position in World Cup 2002 and have been twenty years.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 16, 2023, 12:46:28 PM

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Football is first priority in some countries like Brazil, that's why we can see people think a country like Brazil got more chance to win the world cup ticket than other teams in CONMEBOL, also since the European countries invest much more than other countries, we usually see these teams on Europe have better performance in world cup every year.

The advantage with European teams is that they have the best football leagues in the world. This means that their younger players get a chance to play with some of the best in football. This is a luxury that is not provided to the younger players in CONMEBOL, AFC or CAF. However, the situation is changing now, as Saudi league is gaining a lot of traction. Even then, it is just this one league in AFC, while all the other popular leagues are in UEFA. And despite all this, some of the UEFA teams are in continuous decline (Germany, Netherlands, Danmark.etc).

Every player from European countries plays football for different clubs for a whole season, which gives European teams an added advantage when it comes to team building. Very few players from African or Asian teams play for some European clubs and they don't get a chance to play a lot of matches throughout the season, so chances of Asian or African teams doing well are very low. Asian or Latin American teams never counter it with European teams, the main reason is that Asian or Latin American players are relatively less powerful than European players, which is why European teams have the most success in countering it.

The performance of these four teams, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark or Italy, is not the same as before, we have noticed a lot of decline in their performance in the last World Cup. Germany was eliminated from the group stage in the last World Cup. The performance of these teams in Europe must change.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on August 16, 2023, 07:50:05 AM

Football is first priority in some countries like Brazil, that's why we can see people think a country like Brazil got more chance to win the world cup ticket than other teams in CONMEBOL, also since the European countries invest much more than other countries, we usually see these teams on Europe have better performance in world cup every year.

I feel like it's more like a cultural thing than anything else. Argentina is not a rich nation at all, they do not have money to invest into anything at all, most of the players that become world stars ended up getting there from a poor family that lived in terrible sheds as well. I believe that there are some born rich ones as well, but not all of them at all. This is why I believe that we need to make sure that things look as good as it could potentially look.

I understand that it is not going to be easy to handle but it is still a situation to see and should be considered a big deal. I know that we are at a stage where we just have to accept whichever teams go from which continent, but it's cultural and not money related.

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Football is first priority in some countries like Brazil, that's why we can see people think a country like Brazil got more chance to win the world cup ticket than other teams in CONMEBOL, also since the European countries invest much more than other countries, we usually see these teams on Europe have better performance in world cup every year.

The advantage with European teams is that they have the best football leagues in the world. This means that their younger players get a chance to play with some of the best in football. This is a luxury that is not provided to the younger players in CONMEBOL, AFC or CAF. However, the situation is changing now, as Saudi league is gaining a lot of traction. Even then, it is just this one league in AFC, while all the other popular leagues are in UEFA. And despite all this, some of the UEFA teams are in continuous decline (Germany, Netherlands, Danmark.etc).

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 15, 2023, 03:01:54 AM

What a load of BS? Just 1.5 slots for these quality teams? Automatic qualification for hosts worked in the past when there was no "co-host" system. But now 4-5 countries are hosting the tournament in one go and all of them want to get direct entry to the world cup. How that is going to work? There should be a limit for direct entries. Maybe in 2034, a dozen countries will put forward a bid to co-host the tournament. What the FIFA is going to do? Are they going to give direct entry to all these 12 teams? IMO, direct entry should be provided to just one team.

That's how hosting works, when you have a team that's hosting, you just have to accept the fact that it's not going to be easy to get in for other teams. I understand that it is going to be tough and I understand that it's not "fair" looking, but at the same time there will be some teams that will end up getting automatic entry in other continents if it wasn't in this continent.

Like what if it was England-France-Netherlands that joined, they would get automatic entry as well, and there will be three teams that will argue, to be fair those three would probably get in anyway, but this three got in anyway as well. All in all, I bet that this is as fair as it gets on the long run, because it happens to everyone equally.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on August 16, 2023, 04:11:45 AM

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I feel bad about teams like Bolivia and Venezuela. They are much stronger if we compare them with teams such as Danmark and Canada. But they almost never get a chance to participate in the world cup because the number of slots allotted to CONMEBOL is quite limited. And this is why I have always argued that although the first set of 32 teams should be decided on the basis of continental qualifiers, the remaining 16 teams should come from a global qualifying tournament. BTW, when was the last time that Venezuela participated in the FIFA world cup?

World Cup never intended to be fair in reality. European countries are the best teams in the world and have the best players so they have more chances to qualify, yet sometimes top Nations like Italy might risk not playing there if they were not fit.
Asian, African, North Americans and Oceania teams performance are quite limited and their chances to succeed is limited.
South America, Conmebol, comes after UEFA and it is dominated by Brazil and Argentina most of the time. The other teams chances are quite the same.

Europeans have always dominated the World Cup tournament since its inception. Brazil and Argentina are the only Latin American countries outside of Europe that have done well at the World Cup, and no other continent has had any significant success at the World Cup. All the countries that have won the World Cup trophy so far are from Europe and America. So far, no country outside of Europe and America has been able to make a significant performance in the World Cup. Teams from Asia and Africa who qualify for the World Cup don't do very well against the Europeans. As an African country, Morocco played in the semi-finals of the last World Cup, the highest achievement for an African country to play in the semi-finals.

Football is first priority in some countries like Brazil, that's why we can see people think a country like Brazil got more chance to win the world cup ticket than other teams in CONMEBOL, also since the European countries invest much more than other countries, we usually see these teams on Europe have better performance in world cup every year.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 09, 2023, 10:09:17 PM

I feel bad about teams like Bolivia and Venezuela. They are much stronger if we compare them with teams such as Danmark and Canada. But they almost never get a chance to participate in the world cup because the number of slots allotted to CONMEBOL is quite limited. And this is why I have always argued that although the first set of 32 teams should be decided on the basis of continental qualifiers, the remaining 16 teams should come from a global qualifying tournament. BTW, when was the last time that Venezuela participated in the FIFA world cup?

World Cup never intended to be fair in reality. European countries are the best teams in the world and have the best players so they have more chances to qualify, yet sometimes top Nations like Italy might risk not playing there if they were not fit.
Asian, African, North Americans and Oceania teams performance are quite limited and their chances to succeed is limited.
South America, Conmebol, comes after UEFA and it is dominated by Brazil and Argentina most of the time. The other teams chances are quite the same.

Europeans have always dominated the World Cup tournament since its inception. Brazil and Argentina are the only Latin American countries outside of Europe that have done well at the World Cup, and no other continent has had any significant success at the World Cup. All the countries that have won the World Cup trophy so far are from Europe and America. So far, no country outside of Europe and America has been able to make a significant performance in the World Cup. Teams from Asia and Africa who qualify for the World Cup don't do very well against the Europeans. As an African country, Morocco played in the semi-finals of the last World Cup, the highest achievement for an African country to play in the semi-finals.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 15, 2023, 03:01:54 AM

What a load of BS? Just 1.5 slots for these quality teams? Automatic qualification for hosts worked in the past when there was no "co-host" system. But now 4-5 countries are hosting the tournament in one go and all of them want to get direct entry to the world cup. How that is going to work? There should be a limit for direct entries. Maybe in 2034, a dozen countries will put forward a bid to co-host the tournament. What the FIFA is going to do? Are they going to give direct entry to all these 12 teams? IMO, direct entry should be provided to just one team.

I agree with you on this statement partially because right now we have laps in this new system with co-hosting, but surely we are never going to have 6 or 12 countries are going to host any event because this is never been ideal in practically and FIFA also never go to do experiments like these but still they need to think about this all, and surely we need some better changes for this as well because now with this we already have four teams into group stages which is surely problem.

Here, we need some limits or any strategy which helps for the countries which are going to play qualifiers here we need a competition where these hosts will play, and then we will have just one or two countries to be direct qualifier and all others have to play qualifiers which will make some sense for the all countries as well.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on August 15, 2023, 09:28:46 AM

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I think the main reason of why Brazil qualifies in the world cup every year is mostly because other than Argentina and Brazil other teams in this confederation are not strong enough and they can't race with Brazil for getting qualified that's one good reason for these two teams Brazil and Argentina to have a great chance in every world cup.

All 10 teams from CONMEBOL have world class football skills, and all of them would do great at the World Cup.

Yes, overall Brazil and Argentina are usually better, but the quality of the rest of the teams is really high as well.

Compared to the rest of the world, all these 10 teams are better than most.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on August 15, 2023, 09:28:46 AM

I think the main reason of why Brazil qualifies in the world cup every year is mostly because other than Argentina and Brazil other teams in this confederation are not strong enough and they can't race with Brazil for getting qualified that's one good reason for these two teams Brazil and Argentina to have a great chance in every world cup.

LOL.. have you paid attention to the previous editions of the CONMEBOL qualifiers? It is not easy for Brazil and there were frequent instances of lower ranking teams defeating Brazil. Back in 2018 qualifiers, Chile managed to defeat Brazil by a margin of 2-0. Before that, in 2010 Paraguay managed to defeat them 2-0 and they also famously lost to Bolivia by a margin of 2-1. Bolivia is considered as one of the weakest teams in CONMEBOL, and Paraguay and Chile didn't managed to qualify for the 2022 World Cup. So in short, it is not always a cakewalk for Brazil.

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The current system seems to be as fine as it is, and I think it is going to be fine as well. I think it is going to be something that will be important for the time being and I guess it will definitely matter when the time comes. I think it is going to be important and we are going to see it change a lot. This should be important and we need to have a situation where it will not be simple.

We just need to make sure that life is not that simple for these teams, you can't just take them all and we pick the best ones. This amount of teams would be fine, it is not a lot, it is not not enough neither, it is just enough and this makes sure that they are sending their best teams and will do as much good as it possibly could in the end.

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Quote from: nullama on August 15, 2023, 01:48:31 AM

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In practice it would be 5 teams competing for 1.5 spots, as Brazil has qualified to every single world cup and I do not think we are about to see such an exception, so if the South American bid won the rights to host the world cup the rest of the teams will be under enormous pressure as they will have almost no room for error and a single loss or draw can be enough to get them out of the race to get a ticket to the world cup, so if anything that particular qualifier should be incredibly difficult due to the quality of the teams participating and the limited number of spots available.

You're absolutely right. Brazil will probably qualify undefeated.

As you said, that would leave Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, and Venezuela with only 1.5 slots. I think Colombia would get the direct slot and the 0.5 will be battled between Ecuador and Peru, leaving Bolivia and Venezuela completely out. It's going to be a really tough one.

I think the main reason of why Brazil qualifies in the world cup every year is mostly because other than Argentina and Brazil other teams in this confederation are not strong enough and they can't race with Brazil for getting qualified that's one good reason for these two teams Brazil and Argentina to have a great chance in every world cup.

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Quote from: nullama on August 15, 2023, 01:48:31 AM

Quote from: Silberman on August 14, 2023, 11:08:00 PM

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In practice it would be 5 teams competing for 1.5 spots, as Brazil has qualified to every single world cup and I do not think we are about to see such an exception, so if the South American bid won the rights to host the world cup the rest of the teams will be under enormous pressure as they will have almost no room for error and a single loss or draw can be enough to get them out of the race to get a ticket to the world cup, so if anything that particular qualifier should be incredibly difficult due to the quality of the teams participating and the limited number of spots available.

You're absolutely right. Brazil will probably qualify undefeated.

As you said, that would leave Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, and Venezuela with only 1.5 slots. I think Colombia would get the direct slot and the 0.5 will be battled between Ecuador and Peru, leaving Bolivia and Venezuela completely out. It's going to be a really tough one.

What a load of BS? Just 1.5 slots for these quality teams? Automatic qualification for hosts worked in the past when there was no "co-host" system. But now 4-5 countries are hosting the tournament in one go and all of them want to get direct entry to the world cup. How that is going to work? There should be a limit for direct entries. Maybe in 2034, a dozen countries will put forward a bid to co-host the tournament. What the FIFA is going to do? Are they going to give direct entry to all these 12 teams? IMO, direct entry should be provided to just one team.

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