FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread - page 167.

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Quote from: 3meek on July 02, 2023, 04:13:44 PM

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Quote from: youdacapt on July 01, 2023, 04:38:10 PM

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From the available signs; it is looking increasingly certain that both Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi would participate at the next world cup in Canada/Mexico/United States. Either they are fit to play, or fit for the bench sides; both iconic players will appear at the worldcup; i believe it will be their final international and football appearance.

The coming worldcup is one that will be super interesting and also epic. Theres so much to look forward to!

From what I've read there's nothing set in stone yet. Both players might retire before the next world cup as well, who knows.

Personally I would prefer Messi to retire and give this opportunity to the new generation of players.

I don't think Messi will just leave football... The World Cup is three years away, that's not much time... Although it would probably be nice for him to retire from football after his team won the cup last year... If Messi stays in the national team, it's not certain they can win in 2026... And this championship will definitely be his last... I can't assume anything about Ronaldo... He was going to leave a long time ago... But he still plays every time...

Doesn't really matter if he stays and plays in his teams or not but as he said before, Messi is going to play in the net world cup and actually that's a smart move from Messi because he achieved what he wanted to achieve and now the best thing he can do is to stay in Inter Maimi and away from the world cup to have a peaceful life with his family.
I think That's the reason Messi chose Iner Maimi and leave the national games.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/37846445/argentina-lionel-messi-doubts-play-2026-world-cup#:~:text=Argentina%20captain%20Lionel%20Messi%20announced,his%20fifth%20World%20Cup%20appearance.

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Quote from: 3meek on July 02, 2023, 04:13:44 PM

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I don't think Messi will just leave football... The World Cup is three years away, that's not much time... Although it would probably be nice for him to retire from football after his team won the cup last year... If Messi stays in the national team, it's not certain they can win in 2026... And this championship will definitely be his last... I can't assume anything about Ronaldo... He was going to leave a long time ago... But he still plays every time...

Messi currently has a contract with Inter Miami until December 2025... that sounds like he will retire by then, and not play the world cup in 2026.

Basically it looks like he's just getting as much money as he can right now and then ride into the sunset.

Maybe he will just continue doing ads, but I reckon he won't be playing professional football in 2026.

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Quote from: nullama on July 02, 2023, 03:40:15 AM

Quote from: youdacapt on July 01, 2023, 04:38:10 PM

~snip~
From the available signs; it is looking increasingly certain that both Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi would participate at the next world cup in Canada/Mexico/United States. Either they are fit to play, or fit for the bench sides; both iconic players will appear at the worldcup; i believe it will be their final international and football appearance.

The coming worldcup is one that will be super interesting and also epic. Theres so much to look forward to!

From what I've read there's nothing set in stone yet. Both players might retire before the next world cup as well, who knows.

Personally I would prefer Messi to retire and give this opportunity to the new generation of players.

I don't think Messi will just leave football... The World Cup is three years away, that's not much time... Although it would probably be nice for him to retire from football after his team won the cup last year... If Messi stays in the national team, it's not certain they can win in 2026... And this championship will definitely be his last... I can't assume anything about Ronaldo... He was going to leave a long time ago... But he still plays every time...

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Quote from: Maslate on July 01, 2023, 04:10:58 PM

It is too early to say that he will indeed retire from his national team for good and will not play anymore in the upcoming world cup tournament, and will just give his focus in his current team which is the Inter-Miami while spending some more time with his family in the US.

I mean, it is not really the first time where Messi said that he will retire and if I recall it correctly, he said the same thing after the disappointment loss against Chile in the Copa America in 2016.

From the available signs; it is looking increasingly certain that both Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi would participate at the next world cup in Canada/Mexico/United States. Either they are fit to play, or fit for the bench sides; both iconic players will appear at the worldcup; i believe it will be their final international and football appearance.

The coming worldcup is one that will be super interesting and also epic. Theres so much to look forward to!

That might be the case especially Lionel Messi because he's much younger compared to Cristiano Ronaldo who have also said coincidentally that Euro 2024 will be his last dance together with his team. But I don't really believe fully that both named superstars will just retire like that because World Cup 2026 is a big event and that will be the most suitable event to make a statement for their exit in the sport.

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Quote from: freedomgo on July 02, 2023, 01:58:23 PM

Considering a retirement would be the ideal term for Messi's situation even if he already said that he will no longer join the Argentina in the 2026 World Cup and just like what @Maslate said above, it is not the first time that he said about his retirement in the national team, so I think that is already a clear sign that there is still a chance that Messi will participate together with his team because it will be an honor for him and for his team to defend the championship.

I believe that Messi will be able to play in the next World Cup, because although he initially said that it would be the last of his life, he later corrected it by saying that he was not completely ruling out the possibility of playing in the next World Cup in 2026 .

Lionel Scaloni has already assured that he will leave the shirt number 10 reserved for Messi in the next World Cup and if Messi is physically fit (now almost 36 years old) then he will certainly wear that shirt.

Unfortunately it will be a disappointment for Messi, because this time they will lose to Brazil Tongue

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 02, 2023, 05:34:27 AM

Quote from: youdacapt on July 01, 2023, 04:38:10 PM

From the available signs; it is looking increasingly certain that both Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi would participate at the next world cup in Canada/Mexico/United States. Either they are fit to play, or fit for the bench sides; both iconic players will appear at the worldcup; i believe it will be their final international and football appearance.

The coming worldcup is one that will be super interesting and also epic. Theres so much to look forward to!

Not just some players like Ronaldo and Messi, but many other players even at younger age won't play in the next world cup and doesn't matter how good they perform currently but the fact about these players is they are getting older and there is three years left for the next world cup in America and during this time these players can get even older and their performance will definitely decrease.
Instead of talking about these players, I think their national teams should start working on younger talents and me them ready.

That's going to be very true, like someone who is 33-34 right now ,will be 36-37 by that point and may not play. Not everyone can play in the world cup at 38, so there will be a lot of people who retired from national team by that point. Ronaldo will be 41 years old if I am not mistaken, and Messi will be 39 as well.

Those are some very old ages to play in a world cup in most cases, and I am guessing that neither may end up playing in these games. Of course it all depends on what they want as well, if they do not want to play at that age in their national club then it is not even a discussion but if they insist on it then some things may change. If they do insist on it, they provided so much for their clubs and may end up getting some minutes, because they do have that much power in their own nations.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 02, 2023, 08:43:08 AM

Quote from: Maslate on July 01, 2023, 04:10:58 PM

It is too early to say that he will indeed retire from his national team for good and will not play anymore in the upcoming world cup tournament, and will just give his focus in his current team which is the Inter-Miami while spending some more time with his family in the US.

I mean, it is not really the first time where Messi said that he will retire and if I recall it correctly, he said the same thing after the disappointment loss against Chile in the Copa America in 2016.

Ah yes, I also remember this where he also intends to retire from the Argentina national team when he failed with Argentina, and that happened a few years back. But considering his age at that time was not what it is now, so he decided to come back, and it is different from now where he is older, and also he has won a World Cup title which is a complement to the titles he got while playing football.
I wouldn't say that he will actually retire, and on the other hand it's possible that he will considering he seems to have put his family first.

Considering a retirement would be the ideal term for Messi's situation even if he already said that he will no longer join the Argentina in the 2026 World Cup and just like what @Maslate said above, it is not the first time that he said about his retirement in the national team, so I think that is already a clear sign that there is still a chance that Messi will participate together with his team because it will be an honor for him and for his team to defend the championship.

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Quote from: Maslate on July 01, 2023, 04:10:58 PM

It is too early to say that he will indeed retire from his national team for good and will not play anymore in the upcoming world cup tournament, and will just give his focus in his current team which is the Inter-Miami while spending some more time with his family in the US.

I mean, it is not really the first time where Messi said that he will retire and if I recall it correctly, he said the same thing after the disappointment loss against Chile in the Copa America in 2016.

Lionel Messi is important player for Argentina national team won FIFA World Cup 2022 in Qatar, its no doubt about how many time his announcement retired from national teams but he has bigger contribution for winning World Cup 2022 tittle in Qatar. Its logic for some player retired from national teams when losing on important match exactly when Lionel Messi failing in final 2014 after defeating by Germany national teams.

For FIFA World Cup 2026 still early speculated will Messi get participants or not, due still on the top performance with his teams Inter Miami, Messi always get position in Argentina national team.

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Quote from: nullama on July 02, 2023, 03:40:15 AM

Quote from: youdacapt on July 01, 2023, 04:38:10 PM

~snip~
From the available signs; it is looking increasingly certain that both Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi would participate at the next world cup in Canada/Mexico/United States. Either they are fit to play, or fit for the bench sides; both iconic players will appear at the worldcup; i believe it will be their final international and football appearance.

The coming worldcup is one that will be super interesting and also epic. Theres so much to look forward to!

From what I've read there's nothing set in stone yet. Both players might retire before the next world cup as well, who knows.

Personally I would prefer Messi to retire and give this opportunity to the new generation of players.

The 2026 World Cup is still three years away and it is very likely that the two stars who have always been rivals will retire from their respective national teams.
After all, Portugal and Argentina also have other young and talented star players, making it possible to strengthen the national team without the presence of old players like Ronaldo and Messi.

Many rumors also say that these two players will actually retire and leave football before the World Cup begins.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 01, 2023, 04:15:21 PM

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Messi is a soccer icon in Argentina, almost like Jesus.
When Messi thought about giving up playing for the national team a few years ago, it was almost a national tragedy.
His influence on the Argentine national team is huge and if he had not played for Argentina at the World Cup in Qatar, I think Argentina would not have become world champions.
On that side, I think it would be very important for Argentina that Messi be part of their team at the next World Cup, even if he won't play for the national team.

No doubt Messi is a world class player and his presence in the Argentina team is a boost for the team itself and a threat for the opposition but i do not understand the logic to take him to the next world cup but he won't be playing in the matches Huh

What is the purpose of such a move when a player won't be able to participate? This means you are just occupying a slot of a player who will have no contribution to the team.

Also note that the opposition will soon realize that Messi is with the team but he won't be playing and this thing will only boost the confidence of the opponents. I fail to get this idea.

Ok, I expressed myself in the wrong way, sorry about it.
I actually wanted to say that in 3 years Messi will be much older and probably physically and mentally not at today's top level of football.
Of course, even such a Messi will be better than most other players and he will be able to help the Argentine national team as a player, but he will hardly be able to play all the games from start to finish like in Qatar.
However, even such a Messi, who will play less, will still be a leader on the field and mean a lot to his team.

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Quote from: Maslate on July 01, 2023, 04:10:58 PM

It is too early to say that he will indeed retire from his national team for good and will not play anymore in the upcoming world cup tournament, and will just give his focus in his current team which is the Inter-Miami while spending some more time with his family in the US.

I mean, it is not really the first time where Messi said that he will retire and if I recall it correctly, he said the same thing after the disappointment loss against Chile in the Copa America in 2016.

Ah yes, I also remember this where he also intends to retire from the Argentina national team when he failed with Argentina, and that happened a few years back. But considering his age at that time was not what it is now, so he decided to come back, and it is different from now where he is older, and also he has won a World Cup title which is a complement to the titles he got while playing football.
I wouldn't say that he will actually retire, and on the other hand it's possible that he will considering he seems to have put his family first.

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Quote from: youdacapt on July 01, 2023, 04:38:10 PM

From the available signs; it is looking increasingly certain that both Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi would participate at the next world cup in Canada/Mexico/United States. Either they are fit to play, or fit for the bench sides; both iconic players will appear at the worldcup; i believe it will be their final international and football appearance.

The coming worldcup is one that will be super interesting and also epic. Theres so much to look forward to!

Not just some players like Ronaldo and Messi, but many other players even at younger age won't play in the next world cup and doesn't matter how good they perform currently but the fact about these players is they are getting older and there is three years left for the next world cup in America and during this time these players can get even older and their performance will definitely decrease.
Instead of talking about these players, I think their national teams should start working on younger talents and me them ready.

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Quote from: youdacapt on July 01, 2023, 04:38:10 PM

~snip~
From the available signs; it is looking increasingly certain that both Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi would participate at the next world cup in Canada/Mexico/United States. Either they are fit to play, or fit for the bench sides; both iconic players will appear at the worldcup; i believe it will be their final international and football appearance.

The coming worldcup is one that will be super interesting and also epic. Theres so much to look forward to!

From what I've read there's nothing set in stone yet. Both players might retire before the next world cup as well, who knows.

Personally I would prefer Messi to retire and give this opportunity to the new generation of players.

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Quote from: Maslate on July 01, 2023, 04:10:58 PM

It is too early to say that he will indeed retire from his national team for good and will not play anymore in the upcoming world cup tournament, and will just give his focus in his current team which is the Inter-Miami while spending some more time with his family in the US.

I mean, it is not really the first time where Messi said that he will retire and if I recall it correctly, he said the same thing after the disappointment loss against Chile in the Copa America in 2016.

From the available signs; it is looking increasingly certain that both Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi would participate at the next world cup in Canada/Mexico/United States. Either they are fit to play, or fit for the bench sides; both iconic players will appear at the worldcup; i believe it will be their final international and football appearance.

The coming worldcup is one that will be super interesting and also epic. Theres so much to look forward to!

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Quote from: Maslate on July 01, 2023, 04:10:58 PM

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It is too early to say that he will indeed retire from his national team for good and will not play anymore in the upcoming world cup tournament, and will just give his focus in his current team which is the Inter-Miami while spending some more time with his family in the US.

I mean, it is not really the first time where Messi said that he will retire and if I recall it correctly, he said the same thing after the disappointment loss against Chile in the Copa America in 2016.

We shouldn't be judgemental on his retirement. During the year 2016 he announced the retirement after the loss against Chile as he missed a penalty. From the incident itself we can understand the reason for which he had announced the retirement. More 7 years played and he'll be more mature enough and won't easily end up in a simple manner. He is well and good at the moment, more three years is really a big question and the answer can be known only as by that time and we shouldn't be judgemental now itself.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on July 01, 2023, 11:21:54 AM

Messi is a soccer icon in Argentina, almost like Jesus.
When Messi thought about giving up playing for the national team a few years ago, it was almost a national tragedy.
His influence on the Argentine national team is huge and if he had not played for Argentina at the World Cup in Qatar, I think Argentina would not have become world champions.
On that side, I think it would be very important for Argentina that Messi be part of their team at the next World Cup, even if he won't play for the national team.

No doubt Messi is a world class player and his presence in the Argentina team is a boost for the team itself and a threat for the opposition but i do not understand the logic to take him to the next world cup but he won't be playing in the matches Huh

What is the purpose of such a move when a player won't be able to participate? This means you are just occupying a slot of a player who will have no contribution to the team.

Also note that the opposition will soon realize that Messi is with the team but he won't be playing and this thing will only boost the confidence of the opponents. I fail to get this idea.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on July 01, 2023, 11:21:54 AM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 01, 2023, 08:58:00 AM

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Quote from: KTChampions on June 30, 2023, 10:23:16 AM

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The problem is that he is a big brand and his participation will be beneficial for the organizers and everyone in general (except for the Argentinean national team), so one way or another he can be persuaded to participate.

yeah, Messi is a big brand and would increase viewership for sure
but, his experience will also be a good thing for Argentine team, although I don't see them as potential winner

defending title is not so often, and they seem not good enough to do that

Lionel Messi is currently a football icon, apart from Lionel Messi there is the name Cristiano Ronaldo who also has a large fan base and he is also a football icon. Their presence will surely invite many people to see it, of course the attractiveness of these two players has its own charm for football connoisseurs. Although now he is old and most likely a few more seasons will completely stop being a professional player.

I agree with you, that not only is he a football icon, he also has a lot of positive impact on the team when he is in the squad. Surely other players who play with him will be more motivated to be able to give the best from their performances.

Messi is a soccer icon in Argentina, almost like Jesus.
When Messi thought about giving up playing for the national team a few years ago, it was almost a national tragedy.
His influence on the Argentine national team is huge and if he had not played for Argentina at the World Cup in Qatar, I think Argentina would not have become world champions.
On that side, I think it would be very important for Argentina that Messi be part of their team at the next World Cup, even if he won't play for the national team.

It is too early to say that he will indeed retire from his national team for good and will not play anymore in the upcoming world cup tournament, and will just give his focus in his current team which is the Inter-Miami while spending some more time with his family in the US.

I mean, it is not really the first time where Messi said that he will retire and if I recall it correctly, he said the same thing after the disappointment loss against Chile in the Copa America in 2016.

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Yep! Now I think about it even more and maybe his move to the MLS is a strategic move that will be even more profitable even against the background that he turned down contracts from Saudi Arabia? If so, then this is a sophisticated game involving several sides at once, and Messi’s “triumphant” refusal of not returning* to the national team should be expected very close to 2026.

* I hope everyone will understand me correctly, since double negation in English is taken into account differently than in many others.

You get the idea" Wink

I think that this is a sophisticated game, yes. I am not sure about his return to the national team, but I am sure that he is making money that is in similar spheres than the contracts from Saudi Arabia and those contracts in the USA will be long-term contracts that guarantee him income for whatever is related to him and has to do with soccer. Seriously, this guy isn't putting down his signature for anything below value. He doesn't need to, in comparison to other sports stars he deserved where he is now. Federer is the same in tennis. Whether it is strange or not when he signs a 300 million dollar deal with a sponsor, these are the amounts that the stars can rake in. Messi has done the same and when he says it was not about the money for him, I believe him. It was not about 500 million at the end of each year, but maybe it was about 2 billion over the course of the next 8 years. The whole Saudi Arabia thing isn't even dead yet. Messi will forever be the guy with 7 Ballon d'Ors. They will try to do business with him around the year 2030 no matter what he is doing in between.

I think that he will get the 8th, although it will again be very scandalous Grin

In general, when I think about such amounts, I wonder whether inflation destroys value already and this is sign of catastrophe in economic, or now, in the information age, celebrities really "cost" that much. If you go back at least 10 years in the past and tell someone that football players can earn so much, then you will simply be considered crazy Cheesy

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Quote from: KTChampions on June 30, 2023, 04:57:55 PM

Yep! Now I think about it even more and maybe his move to the MLS is a strategic move that will be even more profitable even against the background that he turned down contracts from Saudi Arabia? If so, then this is a sophisticated game involving several sides at once, and Messi’s “triumphant” refusal of not returning* to the national team should be expected very close to 2026.

* I hope everyone will understand me correctly, since double negation in English is taken into account differently than in many others.

You get the idea" Wink

I think that this is a sophisticated game, yes. I am not sure about his return to the national team, but I am sure that he is making money that is in similar spheres than the contracts from Saudi Arabia and those contracts in the USA will be long-term contracts that guarantee him income for whatever is related to him and has to do with soccer. Seriously, this guy isn't putting down his signature for anything below value. He doesn't need to, in comparison to other sports stars he deserved where he is now. Federer is the same in tennis. Whether it is strange or not when he signs a 300 million dollar deal with a sponsor, these are the amounts that the stars can rake in. Messi has done the same and when he says it was not about the money for him, I believe him. It was not about 500 million at the end of each year, but maybe it was about 2 billion over the course of the next 8 years. The whole Saudi Arabia thing isn't even dead yet. Messi will forever be the guy with 7 Ballon d'Ors. They will try to do business with him around the year 2030 no matter what he is doing in between.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 01, 2023, 08:58:00 AM

Quote from: casperBGD on June 30, 2023, 08:49:18 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on June 30, 2023, 10:23:16 AM

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The problem is that he is a big brand and his participation will be beneficial for the organizers and everyone in general (except for the Argentinean national team), so one way or another he can be persuaded to participate.

yeah, Messi is a big brand and would increase viewership for sure
but, his experience will also be a good thing for Argentine team, although I don't see them as potential winner

defending title is not so often, and they seem not good enough to do that

Lionel Messi is currently a football icon, apart from Lionel Messi there is the name Cristiano Ronaldo who also has a large fan base and he is also a football icon. Their presence will surely invite many people to see it, of course the attractiveness of these two players has its own charm for football connoisseurs. Although now he is old and most likely a few more seasons will completely stop being a professional player.

I agree with you, that not only is he a football icon, he also has a lot of positive impact on the team when he is in the squad. Surely other players who play with him will be more motivated to be able to give the best from their performances.

Messi is a soccer icon in Argentina, almost like Jesus.
When Messi thought about giving up playing for the national team a few years ago, it was almost a national tragedy.
His influence on the Argentine national team is huge and if he had not played for Argentina at the World Cup in Qatar, I think Argentina would not have become world champions.
On that side, I think it would be very important for Argentina that Messi be part of their team at the next World Cup, even if he won't play for the national team.

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