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I think that's a fair statement.

The main difference probably is that the European leagues have been established for a long time already, and are full of talented players. It makes sense to have high offers there because it is really competitive.

On the other hand, in Saudi Arabia, and other similar places, the quality of the current players is nowhere near the European leagues. It's only money, so that's why it doesn't make sense, at the moment at least. Maybe in 10 years the Saudi League will become the most prestigious one. Who knows.

If you are talking about the European leagues, I would say that the quality is going down. But for comparison, they still maintain quite good standards compared to those leagues in other continents and confederations. Still, the Saudi Professional League is rapidly catching up and very soon the quality differentials are going to go away. BTW, I have a feeling that in Europe the clubs tried to get bigger than the game itself. They were harassing the players, and trying to dictate them. The recent spat between Messi and PSG is a prime example.
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Saudi league is definitely improving. The Saudis are just doing what they need to do so that they can make the league a better one. There is no reason to cry about it. They have the money to afford things. So they are buying things as they want. If any other club won the player, they can buy them by offering more money.

I know some people to say that they are abusing the money that they have. But the thing is they have the money to abuse, and the money did not come free. They have to definitely work for the money that they are spending. Moreover, they are not recklessly squandering their funds; rather, they are making calculated investments. And the way they are approaching, I can definitely say that the return on investment is going to be a really good one.
Money can help one team get many trophies at the future and change the culture of some competition, regarding with Manchester City after acquisition by Sheikh Mansour success won Premier League tittle and UEFA Champion League. No doubt money is everything in football competition and not fault when bid offering from how much money offer for signing some star player. Saudi Arabia try to be FIFA World Cup host and they try improvement with bringing many star player in their domestic league competition.

I heard they have planning in FIFA World Cup 2030 want to be host and its seems easily with money can controlling well all institution in FIFA to make them become host of World Cup.
Learned from Qatar they have been success becoming host of World Cup 2022 although move up to end year than usually World Cup match play always in middle year after ended of European domestic league.
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I was reading an article online and it highlighted a very interesting fact that football fever is on the rise in US even before the World Cup officially kicks off and this was evident when an almost full packed stadium turned up for Newcastle vs Brighton match. Further this will bring up an interesting scenario what if the locals buy most tickets and leave little or no tickets at all for tourists because I was under the impression that football isn’t much popular there but I was clearly wrong.
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A lot of people are making so much hue and cry about Saudis purchasing star players for 3x or 5x their fair price. But we need to remember that it was European clubs such as Liverpool, Manchester United and Paris Saint-Germain which started this trend. Now they are getting a taste of their own medicine and all of a sudden they are complaining. There seems to be one rule for the Europeans and another for the non-Europeans. Subrahmanyam Jaishankar once said: "Europe has to grow out of the mindset that Europe’s problems are the world’s problems".

I think that's a fair statement.

The main difference probably is that the European leagues have been established for a long time already, and are full of talented players. It makes sense to have high offers there because it is really competitive.

On the other hand, in Saudi Arabia, and other similar places, the quality of the current players is nowhere near the European leagues. It's only money, so that's why it doesn't make sense, at the moment at least. Maybe in 10 years the Saudi League will become the most prestigious one. Who knows.

Saudi league is definitely improving. The Saudis are just doing what they need to do so that they can make the league a better one. There is no reason to cry about it. They have the money to afford things. So they are buying things as they want. If any other club won the player, they can buy them by offering more money.

I know some people to say that they are abusing the money that they have. But the thing is they have the money to abuse, and the money did not come free. They have to definitely work for the money that they are spending. Moreover, they are not recklessly squandering their funds; rather, they are making calculated investments. And the way they are approaching, I can definitely say that the return on investment is going to be a really good one.
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A lot of people are making so much hue and cry about Saudis purchasing star players for 3x or 5x their fair price. But we need to remember that it was European clubs such as Liverpool, Manchester United and Paris Saint-Germain which started this trend. Now they are getting a taste of their own medicine and all of a sudden they are complaining. There seems to be one rule for the Europeans and another for the non-Europeans. Subrahmanyam Jaishankar once said: "Europe has to grow out of the mindset that Europe’s problems are the world’s problems".

I think that's a fair statement.

The main difference probably is that the European leagues have been established for a long time already, and are full of talented players. It makes sense to have high offers there because it is really competitive.

On the other hand, in Saudi Arabia, and other similar places, the quality of the current players is nowhere near the European leagues. It's only money, so that's why it doesn't make sense, at the moment at least. Maybe in 10 years the Saudi League will become the most prestigious one. Who knows.
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Yeah, that's the thing.

People will always follow the money in the end, and if the clubs in Europe are willing to pay a lot for promising young players, well, they're going to get them, from all around the world.

Also, the ones that stay locally will probably not be able to develop at the level they should be playing, so it's really a no brainer for the players to accept a good offer from the top teams.

A lot of people are making so much hue and cry about Saudis purchasing star players for 3x or 5x their fair price. But we need to remember that it was European clubs such as Liverpool, Manchester United and Paris Saint-Germain which started this trend. Now they are getting a taste of their own medicine and all of a sudden they are complaining. There seems to be one rule for the Europeans and another for the non-Europeans. Subrahmanyam Jaishankar once said: "Europe has to grow out of the mindset that Europe’s problems are the world’s problems".
I'm yet to understand the cry from European sports media about the lucrative deals that's been coming from Saudi Arabian clubs since the start of the year. European clubs has been the ones that's been hugely influencing the choice of where footballer go next with their juicy offers over the years.
So I think they should allow them buy as many players as they can afford without trying to make it feel like they're robbing Europe of their good players
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That's because in Brazil we have many talented people who want to get a chance to play for any team but in Brazil, there are not many teams with high amounts of investment to hire players and give them good amount of salaries.
Mostly because the sponsors prefer to invest in European teams.
I think this situation in Brazil is going to be solved easily to get developed like European countries.

Yeah, that's the thing.

People will always follow the money in the end, and if the clubs in Europe are willing to pay a lot for promising young players, well, they're going to get them, from all around the world.

Also, the ones that stay locally will probably not be able to develop at the level they should be playing, so it's really a no brainer for the players to accept a good offer from the top teams.

If everything goes like this for Brazil they won't have too much chance to get back in their place and become the first teams in the world again because while all other European teams are in the situation to attract more investment for their league, Brazil is not getting progress at all and they are losing the race to the other teams time after time,
You can see many rich Arabian companies are also investing in European countries instead of countries like Brazil.  
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I feel like the culture is the reason why there are so many differences. In Germany the culture is that you work hard, and I mean like really really hard, and then when the work is over you can do whatever, whereas in Brazil you work by having fun, the work should become something fun because you spend is much time at work, so it's wiser to make it fun.

I can't say which one works, we have seen Germany beat Brazil 7-1 of course, but we have seen Brazil win the world cup and have a lot of famous players all around Europe as well. I think whatever works for you will work for you and may not work for someone else. What I mean is Germans may not like work becoming "entertainment" because they may feel that is not the purpose, or Brazilians may hate it become dull because they do want to have fun too.
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Yeah, that's the thing.

People will always follow the money in the end, and if the clubs in Europe are willing to pay a lot for promising young players, well, they're going to get them, from all around the world.

Also, the ones that stay locally will probably not be able to develop at the level they should be playing, so it's really a no brainer for the players to accept a good offer from the top teams.

A lot of people are making so much hue and cry about Saudis purchasing star players for 3x or 5x their fair price. But we need to remember that it was European clubs such as Liverpool, Manchester United and Paris Saint-Germain which started this trend. Now they are getting a taste of their own medicine and all of a sudden they are complaining. There seems to be one rule for the Europeans and another for the non-Europeans. Subrahmanyam Jaishankar once said: "Europe has to grow out of the mindset that Europe’s problems are the world’s problems".
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That's because in Brazil we have many talented people who want to get a chance to play for any team but in Brazil, there are not many teams with high amounts of investment to hire players and give them good amount of salaries.
Mostly because the sponsors prefer to invest in European teams.
I think this situation in Brazil is going to be solved easily to get developed like European countries.

Yeah, that's the thing.

People will always follow the money in the end, and if the clubs in Europe are willing to pay a lot for promising young players, well, they're going to get them, from all around the world.

Also, the ones that stay locally will probably not be able to develop at the level they should be playing, so it's really a no brainer for the players to accept a good offer from the top teams.
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Brazilian players dream of playing in European clubs.  Various clubs in Europe view Brazil's minor tournaments as a big deal and take good notice of everyone's games. After taking good notice of each one's performance, the president of the club offered him a contract from the club, which fulfilled the hopes of the Brazilian star. Most of the Brazilians are being watched by Real Madrid and Barcelona. Directly these two clubs offer young players. Many Brazilian players are performing for various clubs across Europe. There are so many Brazilian stars in Europe that the Brazil team management has to take on a lot of challenges in announcing the squad because in Europe every player plays well in their own position so it becomes a big concern for the management to decide which player to leave out and which player to keep.

Certainly now scouts are much more attentive to good players, not only from Brazil but from all over Latin America, because the Arab Emirates are "stealing" European players with offers they can't refuse and so it is necessary to try to fill the gap occupied by these players.

Not only in America, but all over the world we have excellent potential players, the big clubs just need to have a less discriminatory vision and know how to see these opportunities, invest in new players.

I believe that this departure of European players to the United Arab Emirates will not last long, they signed some relevant players to be able to attract the attention of the world and raise the greed of other players in order to create an "organic flow" of new signings without the need to pay astronomical amounts for it.
Meanwhile, still unknown players may get their chance to break into Europe.... I hope this is a good thing.
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I didn't know of the football situation in Germany, I imagined that they had some young promises to compete in the next world cups, but I believe it will be difficult for us to see a Germany like 2014 world cup.

Regarding Brazil, unfortunately they don't have a new star to replace Neymar, they have good players and that's true (Raphinha, Vini Jr, Casemiro, Richarlison and others).
The Brazilian national league (Brasileirão/Copa do Brasil), it is weak compared to European teams, but there are good teams that always stand out in Libertadores and Sul Americana, Sao Paulo, Palmeiras, Flamengo, Corinthians, which are some examples.


Yeah, but that's the thing, any good player from Brazil will end up playing at the European competitions, and not playing in their local teams.

Maybe when they are really just starting, but scouts are all the time having a look and if they find a good player, they will grab them and ship to Europe as soon as they can.

Also, the earlier they sign them, they can get away with paying them less money.
Brazilian players dream of playing in European clubs.  Various clubs in Europe view Brazil's minor tournaments as a big deal and take good notice of everyone's games. After taking good notice of each one's performance, the president of the club offered him a contract from the club, which fulfilled the hopes of the Brazilian star. Most of the Brazilians are being watched by Real Madrid and Barcelona. Directly these two clubs offer young players. Many Brazilian players are performing for various clubs across Europe. There are so many Brazilian stars in Europe that the Brazil team management has to take on a lot of challenges in announcing the squad because in Europe every player plays well in their own position so it becomes a big concern for the management to decide which player to leave out and which player to keep.

That's because in Brazil we have many talented people who want to get a chance to play for any team but in Brazil, there are not many teams with high amounts of investment to hire players and give them good amount of salaries.
Mostly because the sponsors prefer to invest in European teams.
I think this situation in Brazil is going to be solved easily to get developed like European countries.
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While soccer is incredibly popular at Europe I have no doubts that Brazil and Argentina have the most intense fandom to the point it can be considered a religion there, so even if kids at those countries do not have the same support network in place they can thrive simply because there is a burning desire within them to succeed at all costs and some see in soccer the only way to get more opportunities in their lives, so it makes sense Brazil and Argentina can generate so many talents.

In case of Argentina and Brazil, most of the residents are descended from Italian and Iberian migrants. These two regions used to be football powerhouses in Europe and the same has been transplanted to Latin America. And in terms of absolute population, Brazil is larger than any of the European nations. That also helps. But despite having so much talent, the local leagues in these two countries are in very poor shape and most of their players are forced to participate in European and Arab leagues. And this will have a negative impact on the long term.
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I completely agree with you saying Germany got a much better situation with coaching the younger talents because regarding Germany, in their country, they usually try to use the younger talents and invest in younger people by paying them more attention and having a bright future these younger people, but still, in Brazil, we know football got much higher priority and any kid in street plays football even if they don't have a ball, they use the other objects instead.
Here can see paying attention to younger talents will give much better and stables result if you compare these two countries. 
Germany is richer than Brazil so they have better infrastructure and invest more in grooming young talents. But Brazil seems to be blessed with talented footballers. Most of these players didn't have the privilege of going to football academies like we have in Europe. They develop themselves by playing football on streets and ill-equipped pitches. The Brazilian league is filled with talents that become world-class immediately after they get to Europe. I think this is also the case in most South American and African countries.
While soccer is incredibly popular at Europe I have no doubts that Brazil and Argentina have the most intense fandom to the point it can be considered a religion there, so even if kids at those countries do not have the same support network in place they can thrive simply because there is a burning desire within them to succeed at all costs and some see in soccer the only way to get more opportunities in their lives, so it makes sense Brazil and Argentina can generate so many talents.
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There is no basis to compare the German Bundesliga and the Brazilian Serie A. The former is well organized, enjoys more sponsorship, and has fewer corruption issues. The German league also has better pay for players and coaches than the Brazilian league. Most national team players of Brazil play in clubs in Europe because of better work conditions. It can be assumed that Brazil is blessed with more football talents than Germany.
Europe leagues are better than the rest of the world leagues and when we talk about the top 5 leagues we are trying to compare the incomparable.
Bundesliga and the other top teams in Europe are financially better than most of the other teams around the world. They attract people from around the world because they offer the advantage to play and live in an European town. Their salaries are quite good comparing to Brazil I assume. Young talents of Brazil were picked early by European teams. Obviously Brazilian play a lot of football since the younger age so their talents improve a lot.
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Yes this is true! Many young European players have a great possibility of playing in some European team, of course, there are teams that are the elite of Europe, but there are also teams that are of a lower quality.
For a young man to play for a big club, it will depend on his performance, opportunity and also on his manager.

In the last world cups, I confess that Germany played below its potential, it is far from being the team of the 2014 cup, I could even say that the German team is in decline, another team (outside Europe) that is also in decline is Brazil, they will hardly have another team like the 2002 or 2006, for example.

I am not sure whether you can compare Germany with Brazil. The problem with Germany is that younger players are not coming up. They are overdependent on some of the oldies such as İlkay Gündoğan, Marco Reus, Manuel Neuer and Thomas Müller. On the other hand, although there is some dependence on Neymar, Brazil do have a great bunch of younger players. I am talking about Antony, Emerson, Vitor Roque and Raphinha.  The only issue with Brazil is that their national league is not strong and most of the players are dependent on European leagues.
I didn't know of the football situation in Germany, I imagined that they had some young promises to compete in the next world cups, but I believe it will be difficult for us to see a Germany like 2014 world cup.

Regarding Brazil, unfortunately they don't have a new star to replace Neymar, they have good players and that's true (Raphinha, Vini Jr, Casemiro, Richarlison and others).
The Brazilian national league (Brasileirão/Copa do Brasil), it is weak compared to European teams, but there are good teams that always stand out in Libertadores and Sul Americana, Sao Paulo, Palmeiras, Flamengo, Corinthians, which are some examples.


let's be honest, how many times has neymar saved the brazil national team? my answer is simple: in recent times brazil doesn't need neymar, just see that in the last world cup he was injured and there were some games in which he didn't play and even so brazil did very well, as for the brazilian league not be very strong, I disagree, the problem with the main team of Brazil is that they put strange coaches, who do not perform well before they become coaches of Brazil and when they become coaches of Brazil these same coaches call the same players to play in the core team

It's not normal that coach X appears and calls 2 players, then coach Z appears and calls the same 20 players, then another coach y comes and calls the same 20 players, it seems that all coaches have the same opinions, which cannot be possible , so there is another problem here, looking at the players who play in the Brazilian league, it is easy to see that they are good players and that they could be playing in the main team, but they are not because they do not play in Europe, and that is something ridiculous

for example i saw a portuguese coach yesterday criticizing what i'm talking about, he wondered what they were calling neymar since neymar is injured and has stopped playing for a long time, could it be that in brazil there aren't players that are good to the point of having to call neymar who hasn't played for a long time and is injured? honestly and shameful, it looks like playing in europe has become a certificate that even if the player stops playing for 1 year he is still better than the active player in the brazil league, something very wrong to think. and this is not going to change because I see that the problem is in the guys who are managing soccer in Brazil
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I didn't know of the football situation in Germany, I imagined that they had some young promises to compete in the next world cups, but I believe it will be difficult for us to see a Germany like 2014 world cup.

Regarding Brazil, unfortunately they don't have a new star to replace Neymar, they have good players and that's true (Raphinha, Vini Jr, Casemiro, Richarlison and others).
The Brazilian national league (Brasileirão/Copa do Brasil), it is weak compared to European teams, but there are good teams that always stand out in Libertadores and Sul Americana, Sao Paulo, Palmeiras, Flamengo, Corinthians, which are some examples.


Yeah, but that's the thing, any good player from Brazil will end up playing at the European competitions, and not playing in their local teams.

Maybe when they are really just starting, but scouts are all the time having a look and if they find a good player, they will grab them and ship to Europe as soon as they can.

Also, the earlier they sign them, they can get away with paying them less money.
Brazilian players dream of playing in European clubs.  Various clubs in Europe view Brazil's minor tournaments as a big deal and take good notice of everyone's games. After taking good notice of each one's performance, the president of the club offered him a contract from the club, which fulfilled the hopes of the Brazilian star. Most of the Brazilians are being watched by Real Madrid and Barcelona. Directly these two clubs offer young players. Many Brazilian players are performing for various clubs across Europe. There are so many Brazilian stars in Europe that the Brazil team management has to take on a lot of challenges in announcing the squad because in Europe every player plays well in their own position so it becomes a big concern for the management to decide which player to leave out and which player to keep.
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I completely agree with you saying Germany got a much better situation with coaching the younger talents because regarding Germany, in their country, they usually try to use the younger talents and invest in younger people by paying them more attention and having a bright future these younger people, but still, in Brazil, we know football got much higher priority and any kid in street plays football even if they don't have a ball, they use the other objects instead.
Here can see paying attention to younger talents will give much better and stables result if you compare these two countries. 
Germany is richer than Brazil so they have better infrastructure and invest more in grooming young talents. But Brazil seems to be blessed with talented footballers. Most of these players didn't have the privilege of going to football academies like we have in Europe. They develop themselves by playing football on streets and ill-equipped pitches. The Brazilian league is filled with talents that become world-class immediately after they get to Europe. I think this is also the case in most South American and African countries.

In terms of coaching young players, Germany is indeed better than Basil. Because their Domestic League (Bundesliga) is one of the best leagues in Europe, most of the German National Team players are in orbit from there. Meanwhile, Brazil and its league are not as advanced as Germany, but if you look at the statistical results, Brazil is superior to Germany in terms of the number of trophies.

On the other hand the goal of a soccer player is to become famous and get paid well by the club, but I think it's a win-win. Neither for the player nor for the club, and of course, this is not a problem.
There is no basis to compare the German Bundesliga and the Brazilian Serie A. The former is well organized, enjoys more sponsorship, and has fewer corruption issues. The German league also has better pay for players and coaches than the Brazilian league. Most national team players of Brazil play in clubs in Europe because of better work conditions. It can be assumed that Brazil is blessed with more football talents than Germany.
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The development of players between Germany and Brazil does look very different, after all for now football has become one of the targets as a field for doing business or making money.
In Brazil there are a lot of cases that make no sense about the football industry and some of these cases also have a big impact on the development of the players there.
Actually if these two countries have good performance and can prioritize improving the playing skills of the players I can say Brazil could be superior but in reality Brazil is not as good as Germany in handling the training of football players.
In terms of coaching young players, Germany is indeed better than Basil. Because their Domestic League (Bundesliga) is one of the best leagues in Europe, most of the German National Team players are in orbit from there. Meanwhile, Brazil and its league are not as advanced as Germany, but if you look at the statistical results, Brazil is superior to Germany in terms of the number of trophies.

On the other hand the goal of a soccer player is to become famous and get paid well by the club, but I think it's a win-win. Neither for the player nor for the club, and of course this is not a problem.

I completely agree with you saying Germany got a much better situation with coaching the younger talents because regarding Germany, in their country, they usually try to use the younger talents and invest in younger people by paying them more attention and having a bright future these younger people, but still, in Brazil, we know football got much higher priority and any kid in street plays football even if they don't have a ball, they use the other objects instead.
Here can see paying attention to younger talents will give much better and stables result if you compare these two countries. 
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The development of players between Germany and Brazil does look very different, after all for now football has become one of the targets as a field for doing business or making money.
In Brazil there are a lot of cases that make no sense about the football industry and some of these cases also have a big impact on the development of the players there.
Actually if these two countries have good performance and can prioritize improving the playing skills of the players I can say Brazil could be superior but in reality Brazil is not as good as Germany in handling the training of football players.
In terms of coaching young players, Germany is indeed better than Basil. Because their Domestic League (Bundesliga) is one of the best leagues in Europe, most of the German National Team players are in orbit from there. Meanwhile, Brazil and its league are not as advanced as Germany, but if you look at the statistical results, Brazil is superior to Germany in terms of the number of trophies.

On the other hand the goal of a soccer player is to become famous and get paid well by the club, but I think it's a win-win. Neither for the player nor for the club, and of course this is not a problem.
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