FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread - page 241.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on April 12, 2023, 01:04:32 PM

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because obviously the European leagues look much more exciting in some clubs and I think that "Magic" will go away.

I don't know about others, but I am finding club football quite boring nowadays. On the other hand, World Cup is where you will find a lot of diversity and representation from all around the world. In simple terms, it is having the same quality as club football (or even better) without the greed for money. And further more, the team bonding and cohesion is much better when compared to league football, as the players are motivated by patriotism and not by money. Even the fans behave well in world cup, when compared to the leagues.

You are right, it's the same way I often feel at times, club football is in our faces all the time, they are one too many that sometimes, we even confuse one for the other, and like we know about commodities, when they become always available and common, it loses its high value, becomes cheap and quite boring..

Club football is pure business, both the club owners and players, they don't play for the patriotism or for the love of football, they play for the money, and this can never be compared to world cup tournament where we see patriotic players play for the love of football and their country, and not for the love of money.

That's the difference between leagues and world cups ,when a team is involved in game via patriotism and are connected with fans of their countries that's a whole new feeling and vibe .
Similarly league football is totally about shallow things the players even are not connected and you can feel the distant behaviour of players even in the game .

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It has been a while since the world championships were organized in America. The Olympic Games have often been organized there, in the continent of North America. But I don't remember World Cup football that way. At least not since 2000, because from that date I started checking some statistics and looked at some information from all the final tournaments. America is a large country, logistically it is quite a job to arrange all this properly. As a player, it is also absolutely not nice to have to travel everywhere. As a player I would not like to stay in Mexico, you often hear stories from the criminal world there, you have to be able to feel safe as a player in an area where you play football.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 12, 2023, 12:40:57 PM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on April 12, 2023, 12:19:29 PM

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because obviously the European leagues look much more exciting in some clubs and I think that "Magic" will go away.

I don't know about others, but I am finding club football quite boring nowadays. On the other hand, World Cup is where you will find a lot of diversity and representation from all around the world. In simple terms, it is having the same quality as club football (or even better) without the greed for money. And further more, the team bonding and cohesion is much better when compared to league football, as the players are motivated by patriotism and not by money. Even the fans behave well in world cup, when compared to the leagues.

You are right, it's the same way I often feel at times, club football is in our faces all the time, they are one too many that sometimes, we even confuse one for the other, and like we know about commodities, when they become always available and common, it loses its high value, becomes cheap and quite boring..

Club football is pure business, both the club owners and players, they don't play for the patriotism or for the love of football, they play for the money, and this can never be compared to world cup tournament where we see patriotic players play for the love of football and their country, and not for the love of money.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on April 12, 2023, 12:19:29 PM

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because obviously the European leagues look much more exciting in some clubs and I think that "Magic" will go away.

I don't know about others, but I am finding club football quite boring nowadays. On the other hand, World Cup is where you will find a lot of diversity and representation from all around the world. In simple terms, it is having the same quality as club football (or even better) without the greed for money. And further more, the team bonding and cohesion is much better when compared to league football, as the players are motivated by patriotism and not by money. Even the fans behave well in world cup, when compared to the leagues.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 28, 2023, 05:58:32 AM

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Well, it is known that the soccer World Cup has been held since 1930, this is a great tradition, it is something that must be maintained, no matter what is believed, the exciting thing about all this is that this great event is celebrated every 4 years, I If I want more countries that have never gone to a World Cup to do so in the next one, it's the first time that 3 countries will organize it,it seems perfect to me, it's something new, if Qatar is new, what these 3 countries are doing is something that I like it even more, you know more things and their culture.

If you care so much about tradition, then you may restrict the FIFA Football World Cup to just 13 participants and 3 confederations. Tradition can't be maintained everytime. Situation needs to change according to time. Back in 1930, there were only a few dozen independent nations. Most of the African continent was under the control of colonial powers, so was South and Southeast Asia. In order to maintain the tradition, you need to ask these countries to represent under the flag of their colonial master, which is illogical.

Well, perhaps the word "tradition" can lead one to think many things, and of course, what you say is very valid, but as far as tradition is concerned, I mean that the World Cup is an event that we all know,that everyone strives for. To go, to be there, is something very big, most of the players from the countries that arrive since they were little dream of being there, I call it tradition to wait for 4 years, to see which country or countries are going to develop them, to see what it will be like the performance of the favorite countries, if they will be favorites or disappointment, if in that period of time of the World Cup what things are known, to all that, if those things are changed, I think that many people will not like it, and they will begin to Lose fans,because obviously the European leagues look much more exciting in some clubs and I think that "Magic" will go away.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 12, 2023, 03:40:00 AM

It's not just about Muslim countries having rules about drinking alcohol and nudity or any other rules, there are some rules in any country and all the visitors should respect these rules in Qatar, I saw many people say they can drink alcohol even in stadiums but they need to spend more money and buys more expensive tickets which is a bad side of the story when some people are allowed to break rules and some other people are not allowed.

It has nothing to do with Qatar being a Muslim country. If you have money, then you can do whatever you want in that country. Beer and other alcoholic drinks were permitted for some of the fans, who had top tier tickets, but two days before the kickoff it was announced that such drinks will be prohibited for the rest. I would rather blame FIFA for this fiasco. It was their responsibility to make sure that fans are being treated well. But then, FIFA didn't uttered a word against Qatar, when they made all these changes to the existing plans.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 11, 2023, 02:09:45 PM

It's not about allowing a Muslim country to host the world cup, the most important thing is about the country's rules because even some Musil country they have rules everyone should respect, and doesn't matter if they are hosting a world cup or not whether in other Muslim countries, they will expect the visitors from other countries to do not drink alcohol and they take it hard for them.

Its not about Muslim countries becoming the host in FIFA World Cup but also happening to visitor or tourism need to respect all rule have adopted there, if any one ever visitor to Bali they have their rule for the tourism and they should respect exactly when Seclusion day all activities stopping. Its the same with Qatar become the host World Cup and all fans around the world have respect and adapted with Qatar culture without alcohol drinking and most specific Qatar not allowed with LGBT.

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Quote from: nullama on April 11, 2023, 11:09:57 PM

Ah, that explains why I didn't see people drinking alcohol in the stadium yet read that it was allowed. Only the top tier tickets had access to it. I guess that's how they're used to making things over there, money talks.

Such a shame really, but the world moves on, and now the focus in on the next one.

It's not just about Muslim countries having rules about drinking alcohol and nudity or any other rules, there are some rules in any country and all the visitors should respect these rules in Qatar, I saw many people say they can drink alcohol even in stadiums but they need to spend more money and buys more expensive tickets which is a bad side of the story when some people are allowed to break rules and some other people are not allowed.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 11, 2023, 08:56:26 PM

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The problem with Qatar was that initially they announced that alcohol will be permitted inside the stadium for a limited duration. But then two days before the kickoff, they changed the rule and told that alcohol will be strictly prohibited except for those who hold the most expensive tier tickets. The fans who booked their tickets many weeks ago felt cheated and by then it was too late to cancel their travel plans. Budweiser was one of the sponsors for this event, and they also felt deceived as a result of this new restriction.

Ah, that explains why I didn't see people drinking alcohol in the stadium yet read that it was allowed. Only the top tier tickets had access to it. I guess that's how they're used to making things over there, money talks.

Such a shame really, but the world moves on, and now the focus in on the next one.

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Quote from: nullama on April 11, 2023, 06:34:26 PM

It doesn't even have to be a Muslim country. In Brazil they had laws that prohibited the sale of alcohol inside the stadium, but when FIFA brought the world cup there, they simply changed the law, and sold alcohol in the stadiums.

At the end of the day, money talks.

The problem with Qatar was that initially they announced that alcohol will be permitted inside the stadium for a limited duration. But then two days before the kickoff, they changed the rule and told that alcohol will be strictly prohibited except for those who hold the most expensive tier tickets. The fans who booked their tickets many weeks ago felt cheated and by then it was too late to cancel their travel plans. Budweiser was one of the sponsors for this event, and they also felt deceived as a result of this new restriction.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 11, 2023, 02:09:45 PM

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It's not about allowing a Muslim country to host the world cup, the most important thing is about the country's rules because even some Musil country they have rules everyone should respect, and doesn't matter if they are hosting a world cup or not whether in other Muslim countries, they will expect the visitors from other countries to do not drink alcohol and they take it hard for them.

It doesn't even have to be a Muslim country. In Brazil they had laws that prohibited the sale of alcohol inside the stadium, but when FIFA brought the world cup there, they simply changed the law, and sold alcohol in the stadiums.

At the end of the day, money talks.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 11, 2023, 01:09:00 PM

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Again I will disagree with this statement that FIFA should not have allowed a Muslim country to host the world cup. We need to understand that there are different religions around the world and everyone should respect each other religion. This is no excuse to deny the opportunity to host a word only on the basis of a certain religion.

Also, please remember that football is a global sport that is played in Muslim and non muslim countries. If Muslim countries are denied to host it, it will only encourage discrimination against them which is not right for the sport itself.

The bad decision was to allow a country which clearly bribed their way to win the rights to host the world cup to keep that right, as it is obvious that since they were willing to do such a thing then they will no doubt change the rules once they had the rights to host the world cup, a thing they did and which left FIFA as nothing more but a joke, so I think from now on FIFA will be way more careful about the selection to host the cup as I doubt they will want for such a thing to repeat once again.

It's not about allowing a Muslim country to host the world cup, the most important thing is about the country's rules because even some Musil country they have rules everyone should respect, and doesn't matter if they are hosting a world cup or not whether in other Muslim countries, they will expect the visitors from other countries to do not drink alcohol and they take it hard for them.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on April 11, 2023, 11:13:15 AM

Again I will disagree with this statement that FIFA should not have allowed a Muslim country to host the world cup. We need to understand that there are different religions around the world and everyone should respect each other religion. This is no excuse to deny the opportunity to host a word only on the basis of a certain religion.

Also, please remember that football is a global sport that is played in Muslim and non muslim countries. If Muslim countries are denied to host it, it will only encourage discrimination against them which is not right for the sport itself.

The bad decision was to allow a country which clearly bribed their way to win the rights to host the world cup to keep that right, as it is obvious that since they were willing to do such a thing then they will no doubt change the rules once they had the rights to host the world cup, a thing they did and which left FIFA as nothing more but a joke, so I think from now on FIFA will be way more careful about the selection to host the cup as I doubt they will want for such a thing to repeat once again.

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FIFA manages to give us new surprises every World Cup. The 2022 World Cup in Qatar has been brilliantly organized, whose reputation still lives on around the world. Hope FIFA will hold the next World Cup with more grandeur. In the next World Cup we will all see a new whole of young players in the team.

I don't know what you are talking about. Qatar 2022 was marred by many controversies and scandals. Tickets were overpriced, LGBT and unmarried couples were discriminated against, and alcoholic beverages were banned at the last minute without prior warning. Qatar just wanted to showoff their petro-wealth, and I guess they managed to do that. I found the 2018 FIFA World Cup much better organized, compared to the 2022 edition. And to be very frank, I would say that 2022 edition was one of the worst ever since I started watching football.

Well, I guess you already knew that Qatar is a Muslim country and things like alcohol, nudity or LGBT are not allowed in that country. The sporting events must follow the traditions of the country and people should not complain if they do have all the freedom which they would have had if this football event was held in any Western country.

However, on social media, I did see some nudity in the stadium which was very disturbing to watch being a Muslim. The police were very tolerant not to take action against them. As far as ticket pricing is concerned, I am not aware if it was overpriced but then if this tournament was held in the US, would the price would be less, I guess not.

Whenever you enter another country you must know about the rules of the country, in some countries it is allowed to use drugs and alcohol or they won't have hatred rules about nudity but in some other countries especially the Muslin countries like Qatar they won't allow people and these are all crimes and police can get arrested for it, I think FIFA made a bad decision to make a Muslim country hosting a world cup that's why people who visited this county were not happy about the rules.

Again I will disagree with this statement that FIFA should not have allowed a Muslim country to host the world cup. We need to understand that there are different religions around the world and everyone should respect each other religion. This is no excuse to deny the opportunity to host a word only on the basis of a certain religion.

Also, please remember that football is a global sport that is played in Muslim and non muslim countries. If Muslim countries are denied to host it, it will only encourage discrimination against them which is not right for the sport itself.

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Qatar managed to host the best FIFA World Cup in history. I hope more or less all football fans are satisfied with Qatar in this World Cup. Qatar's stadiums were beautiful to behold. But FIFA brings new surprises every time, hope next world cup we will see some great surprises.

Qatar's success in hosting the 2022 World Cup is inseparable from Qatar's very good finances

the 3 countries that will host the 2026 World Cup must be able to provide something that balances what Qatar provides, such as good stadiums and security for fans from other countries who come to watch because these two things are the benchmark for the success of hosting the world cup

apart from that the political conditions in the host country must also be fine, so that there are no worries from the fans, for example in Indonesia, only because some politicians hate Israel, Indonesia failed to host the U-20 world cup

the best thing they did it - gave so much protection to the women and banned alcohol
Alcohol is the root cause of all the evil and banning it is saving the community from so many ills

so you mean, qatar won't be successful in carrying out the world cup if they free alcohol drinks there, if so then I'm worried that if in the world cup 2026 later, the three countries will not be successful in carrying out the world cup because we know that alcohol in the three countries is quite freely traded buy especially for fans who are already adults

the effects of alcohol will be very severe, especially if ultras fans come, then clashes between fans will not be avoided. Therefore, the three countries that will be homeless for the 2026 World Cup need to think of a precise strategy so that fans, players from each country and local residents can enjoy the event in peace

The World Cup was held in Qatar, where the same rules continued. But if the next World Cup is held in three countries, there will be three different rules in three countries which will cause the football fans to suffer, I think.

It doesn't matter if were are talking about Qatr or another country in the world but the fact is whenever you enter any country you have to respect the rules of that country even if we are talking about the world cup still the fans should respect the rules and sometimes the rules are hard, especially about some Islamic countries there are hard rules about alcoholic drinks.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on April 10, 2023, 11:24:19 AM

Quote from: Hirose UK on April 10, 2023, 03:38:24 AM

My hope is also like that where there will be other countries that can be like Qatar at the next world cup to make the world cup very luxurious and spectacular because in the history of the world cup Qatar is the only country capable of being the best host in the history of the world cup.
Even though there are several countries that have big budgets for football, it is not certain that they will be generous and are willing to spend large amounts of money to prepare for the world cup as Qatar has done.

I'm sure the name Qatar will always be remembered as the best host in the history of the world cup.

Yes, they succeeded in making the World Cup held in Qatar leave a good impression. They are very serious about being a good home year, after they were appointed as the country to be the host. The preparations they did were not playing games and they even spent very, very fantastic costs from the start of preparation until the World Cup ended. Indeed, there were some pros and cons regarding the policy there, but I saw that it was a very natural thing when the biggest football party in the world was held. In the end they managed to become a successful host of the World Cup yesterday.

When you consider just the football aspect of it, that becomes something that is true that Qatar did as well as hoped for. However, what they have emposed to people as "respect our culture" was the way people are, not how they live, not their hobby, not their fans, not their spare times, it was WHO they are.

Remember, there were gay fans of these nations that felt threatened by the fact that Qatar bans being gay, imagine saying something like this in the west, you can't ban anyone from being who they are, you can even ban them from drinking booze, I mean just don't drink for a while and they even let that, but normally banned, but this is who they are, journalists, maybe a few players, fans, how could they feel safe? Knowing they are banned there normally.

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I bet the hosts of the upcoming World Cup is now busy for the preparations as well as the FIFA council to make the most grandeur and best World Cup the world has ever seen. And yes, lots of time and they don't have to be hasty so that they can avoid some errors that they will regret in the future and the fact that the Qatar has made some good examples and errors, that will be the basis of the next world cup so that it will not happen again.

Most of all, it will be the most comfortable world cup because USA is known to be a free country and the audience can fully enjoy the games without any prohibitions like soda/alcoholic drinks or some foods because that was the downside of the recent World Cup but we can't blame that if they prohibit it as they have different culture in that specific country.

Qatar has taken some very great decisions which never happened before.
Those were the game changer for the fans and for the players lets see if the standard Qatar has made will be equally met by the host this time

Well, in paper, the recent World Cup that happened in Qatar was indeed really extravagant but that's just expected because the country is so rich that they are almost got problems how to waste their money but how about what happened behind the scenes? The ones that are not shown in television or any media outlet because I highly doubt that it's still that great knowing that a lot of workers that worked so hard for that event has been violated especially the migrant workers.
If you don't know about that, I bet you will be surprised if you'll search for that.

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In fact, I really don't think any other country can host the FIFA World Cup with as much money as Qatar. I think Qatar World Cup will be remembered forever in the history pages. But it can be hoped that we will see something new in the next World Cup.

My hope is also like that where there will be other countries that can be like Qatar at the next world cup to make the world cup very luxurious and spectacular because in the history of the world cup Qatar is the only country capable of being the best host in the history of the world cup.
Even though there are several countries that have big budgets for football, it is not certain that they will be generous and are willing to spend large amounts of money to prepare for the world cup as Qatar has done.

I'm sure the name Qatar will always be remembered as the best host in the history of the world cup.

Even before FIFA decided to host the world cup in Qatar, Qatar has already been preparing to put their football and other facilities in the best shape. Qatar have much interest for football that is why they are trying their best to bring out the best out of football .

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Quote from: Hirose UK on April 10, 2023, 03:38:24 AM

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Quote from: Hirose UK on April 09, 2023, 06:47:46 AM

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In fact, I really don't think any other country can host the FIFA World Cup with as much money as Qatar. I think Qatar World Cup will be remembered forever in the history pages. But it can be hoped that we will see something new in the next World Cup.

My hope is also like that where there will be other countries that can be like Qatar at the next world cup to make the world cup very luxurious and spectacular because in the history of the world cup Qatar is the only country capable of being the best host in the history of the world cup.
Even though there are several countries that have big budgets for football, it is not certain that they will be generous and are willing to spend large amounts of money to prepare for the world cup as Qatar has done.

I'm sure the name Qatar will always be remembered as the best host in the history of the world cup.

Yes, they succeeded in making the World Cup held in Qatar leave a good impression. They are very serious about being a good home year, after they were appointed as the country to be the host. The preparations they did were not playing games and they even spent very, very fantastic costs from the start of preparation until the World Cup ended. Indeed, there were some pros and cons regarding the policy there, but I saw that it was a very natural thing when the biggest football party in the world was held. In the end they managed to become a successful host of the World Cup yesterday.

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Qatar managed to host the best FIFA World Cup in history. I hope more or less all football fans are satisfied with Qatar in this World Cup. Qatar's stadiums were beautiful to behold. But FIFA brings new surprises every time, hope next world cup we will see some great surprises.

Qatar's success in hosting the 2022 World Cup is inseparable from Qatar's very good finances

the 3 countries that will host the 2026 World Cup must be able to provide something that balances what Qatar provides, such as good stadiums and security for fans from other countries who come to watch because these two things are the benchmark for the success of hosting the world cup

apart from that the political conditions in the host country must also be fine, so that there are no worries from the fans, for example in Indonesia, only because some politicians hate Israel, Indonesia failed to host the U-20 world cup

the best thing they did it - gave so much protection to the women and banned alcohol
Alcohol is the root cause of all the evil and banning it is saving the community from so many ills

so you mean, qatar won't be successful in carrying out the world cup if they free alcohol drinks there, if so then I'm worried that if in the world cup 2026 later, the three countries will not be successful in carrying out the world cup because we know that alcohol in the three countries is quite freely traded buy especially for fans who are already adults

the effects of alcohol will be very severe, especially if ultras fans come, then clashes between fans will not be avoided. Therefore, the three countries that will be homeless for the 2026 World Cup need to think of a precise strategy so that fans, players from each country and local residents can enjoy the event in peace

And why are the homeless involved in this discussion? You mean if there the likes of them, a certain event can't be peaceful and they will be a threat? Hold your horses mate, there's certainly no need for that kind of comment because being homeless doesn't mean that they will be dangerous nor a killer of somebody else's joy.

With or without any alcohol beverages, everything can still happen as it's somehow normal that some fans will be clashing with each other as they are supporting a different team. That's why event bouncers are placed everywhere.

Alcohol and drugs were strictly prohibited at the World Cup in Qatar as it is an Islamic state. Despite all these regulations, Qatar has shown its mettle and successfully managed to make the 2022 FIFA World Cup a historic one. However, it is doubtful whether such alcohol will be banned in the countries after the World Cup.

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