FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread - page 261.

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 10, 2023, 04:35:12 PM

Quote from: beerlover on March 10, 2023, 01:04:49 PM

Yeah, the sad thing is that FIFA is rich enough that they do not need to be corrupted, it's the people that are corrupted at the top, or at least it was, can't talk about the current one but they did not reverse any decision neither for legal scare.

However, if you pick people who are honest and true to their word, then you shouldn't be worried about corruption because FIFA is not corrupted as an organization, it's the people in that organization, so you fire them and get honest people and FIFA would not be corrupt at all. Paying a few million or even a lot of million to people could sound easy, but you need people who will say no to bribery like that, hard to find but they exist.

A very serious delusion. FIFA = corruption. You can change people as much as you like, but if the system is created as corrupt, then the result will be corruption. Wherever there are officials who dispose of the fruits of the labor of others, there is corruption. Football is a business, business should be run by businessmen and not corrupt officials. If you build a system that does not allow corruption, then you will not have it even if there are dishonest people inside it. And what we are seeing now shows precisely the systemic problem.

I hope the committee appointed by FIFA on those countries (Canada/Mexico/United States) is not corrupted. Because honest people will work perfectly and don't want to get intervention from the parent organization (FIFA). but of course, honest people will be got a consequence if the committee doesn't comply with what FIFA wants like being fired halfway. Maybe we won't be surprised to hear that at the next event if have a substitution of the committees.

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 10, 2023, 04:35:12 PM

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A very serious delusion. FIFA = corruption. You can change people as much as you like, but if the system is created as corrupt, then the result will be corruption. Wherever there are officials who dispose of the fruits of the labor of others, there is corruption. Football is a business, business should be run by businessmen and not corrupt officials. If you build a system that does not allow corruption, then you will not have it even if there are dishonest people inside it. And what we are seeing now shows precisely the systemic problem.

Well, it's not like organizations are created out of thin air. They are created by people.

If you change people to others that are not corrupt, then they would make changes to the organization, making the whole thing less prone to corruption.

It's a cycle, if you have corrupt people things start to degrade, and if you have great people, things start to improve.

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 10, 2023, 04:35:12 PM

Quote from: beerlover on March 10, 2023, 01:04:49 PM

Yeah, the sad thing is that FIFA is rich enough that they do not need to be corrupted, it's the people that are corrupted at the top, or at least it was, can't talk about the current one but they did not reverse any decision neither for legal scare.

However, if you pick people who are honest and true to their word, then you shouldn't be worried about corruption because FIFA is not corrupted as an organization, it's the people in that organization, so you fire them and get honest people and FIFA would not be corrupt at all. Paying a few million or even a lot of million to people could sound easy, but you need people who will say no to bribery like that, hard to find but they exist.

A very serious delusion. FIFA = corruption. You can change people as much as you like, but if the system is created as corrupt, then the result will be corruption. Wherever there are officials who dispose of the fruits of the labor of others, there is corruption. Football is a business, business should be run by businessmen and not corrupt officials. If you build a system that does not allow corruption, then you will not have it even if there are dishonest people inside it. And what we are seeing now shows precisely the systemic problem.

Once it had happened and then the officials gets used to it. This is how corruption continues even when the officials weren't interested to take bribe. The involvement of businessman corruption can be eradicated, but when we move towards the national team businessman weren't able to make certain decisions. It is said that Qatar bribed the officials and got the hosting rights. I'm not sure of it, if that's true some other country will be allocating a big fund and waiting for its turn. This is how it continues.

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Quote from: beerlover on March 10, 2023, 01:04:49 PM

Yeah, the sad thing is that FIFA is rich enough that they do not need to be corrupted, it's the people that are corrupted at the top, or at least it was, can't talk about the current one but they did not reverse any decision neither for legal scare.

However, if you pick people who are honest and true to their word, then you shouldn't be worried about corruption because FIFA is not corrupted as an organization, it's the people in that organization, so you fire them and get honest people and FIFA would not be corrupt at all. Paying a few million or even a lot of million to people could sound easy, but you need people who will say no to bribery like that, hard to find but they exist.

A very serious delusion. FIFA = corruption. You can change people as much as you like, but if the system is created as corrupt, then the result will be corruption. Wherever there are officials who dispose of the fruits of the labor of others, there is corruption. Football is a business, business should be run by businessmen and not corrupt officials. If you build a system that does not allow corruption, then you will not have it even if there are dishonest people inside it. And what we are seeing now shows precisely the systemic problem.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 10, 2023, 08:44:10 AM

Quote from: keyscore44 on March 10, 2023, 07:00:26 AM

I think every country that didn't qualify for the World Cup should be given one friendly match in the World Cup. Then the teams will develop the spirit of World Cup and work hard to qualify for the World Cup. This issue needs to be considered by the FIFA authorities.

Well.. this is a very good idea. Something like this can be considered - FIFA should organize one warmup match for each of the 48 participating nations one or two days before the start of the world cup. And teams that are ranked from 49 to 96 can take part in these warmup matches. This will also help the participating nations to get adjusted to the climatic conditions. And for FIFA, it will provide some additional revenue. Finally, for the teams that were unfortunate to miss the qualification, these matches will give a taste of the main competition.

It can actually be a good plan. By doing this, the teams who did not get the experience of playing in the World Cup will try to get it later and prepare themselves better for playing in the main tournament. As a result, I hope that the next World Cups will be more magnificent. However, the FIFA authority should really think about this matter.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 09, 2023, 10:05:20 PM

Corruption will exist as long as the member nations are provided with equal voting rights. For example, for deciding the hosts for FIFA World Cup, Argentina and Brazil have the same voting rights as Palau or Nauru. And this is one of the reasons why there is so much corruption within FIFA. These smaller nations can be easily bribed. Qatar spent $300 billion to host the 2022 World Cup. Don't you think that they will bother paying a few million USD to bribe some of the small island nations to vote for them? And this is exactly how Qatar got the hosting rights for the 2022 edition.

Yeah, the sad thing is that FIFA is rich enough that they do not need to be corrupted, it's the people that are corrupted at the top, or at least it was, can't talk about the current one but they did not reverse any decision neither for legal scare.

However, if you pick people who are honest and true to their word, then you shouldn't be worried about corruption because FIFA is not corrupted as an organization, it's the people in that organization, so you fire them and get honest people and FIFA would not be corrupt at all. Paying a few million or even a lot of million to people could sound easy, but you need people who will say no to bribery like that, hard to find but they exist.

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Quote from: Silberman on March 10, 2023, 11:20:04 AM

Quote from: nullama on March 09, 2023, 05:49:07 PM

Quote from: Oneandpure on March 09, 2023, 02:40:10 PM

I dislike with FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United because this edition have three co-hosts and cut off two national team slot participants left, no doubt with added participants from 32 become 48 national team and three co-hosts have 45 national team will get place for participating in FIFA World Cup 2026.

Still controversy with added participants team in FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United and have many matches later but most advantage with commercial is FIFA, they will earn much commission from broadcast and advertising with have many matches than usually still adopt 32 national team participants.

Maybe this is the start of a new era of multi-country-hosted world cups. Already we have 3 for the next one and there's talks about having 4 in the 2030 one in South America.

Given that so many teams will be able to qualify, it's not crazy to qualify immediately more than one host.

We'll have to see what happens.

With the increase in the number of teams to participate on the world cup, it makes sense that this will also put a greater financial strain on the host as now it will need to build more stadiums and welcome more tourists than ever, so having several countries host the world cup can lessen that burden while at the same time it brings the world cup to more countries at a faster speed, fulfilling one of the goals of FIFA of promoting soccer all over the world.

In spite of the fact that I didn't pay attention to this one, you are right, if they increase the number of teams in the role, there will be more international teams and a more thriving community than they had before. In general, this can have a positive effect on the financial situation for the teams that host the games since there will be more gore tourists in their countries, but regardless of the financial situation, I still think that this can negatively impact the world cup.

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Quote from: nullama on March 09, 2023, 05:49:07 PM

Quote from: Oneandpure on March 09, 2023, 02:40:10 PM

I dislike with FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United because this edition have three co-hosts and cut off two national team slot participants left, no doubt with added participants from 32 become 48 national team and three co-hosts have 45 national team will get place for participating in FIFA World Cup 2026.

Still controversy with added participants team in FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United and have many matches later but most advantage with commercial is FIFA, they will earn much commission from broadcast and advertising with have many matches than usually still adopt 32 national team participants.

Maybe this is the start of a new era of multi-country-hosted world cups. Already we have 3 for the next one and there's talks about having 4 in the 2030 one in South America.

Given that so many teams will be able to qualify, it's not crazy to qualify immediately more than one host.

We'll have to see what happens.

With the increase in the number of teams to participate on the world cup, it makes sense that this will also put a greater financial strain on the host as now it will need to build more stadiums and welcome more tourists than ever, so having several countries host the world cup can lessen that burden while at the same time it brings the world cup to more countries at a faster speed, fulfilling one of the goals of FIFA of promoting soccer all over the world.

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Quote from: keyscore44 on March 10, 2023, 07:00:26 AM

I think every country that didn't qualify for the World Cup should be given one friendly match in the World Cup. Then the teams will develop the spirit of World Cup and work hard to qualify for the World Cup. This issue needs to be considered by the FIFA authorities.

The idea is a good one, and I believe it would be beneficial to those teams that weren't able to qualify for the world cup in the first place. They will have the opportunity to keep themselves prepared and do rework in order to have a better chance of qualifying next time. However, the problem with this idea is that these teams that did not get qualified are usually the weakest teams in the world, which means that even a friendly match will not do much for them.

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Quote from: keyscore44 on March 10, 2023, 07:00:26 AM

I think every country that didn't qualify for the World Cup should be given one friendly match in the World Cup. Then the teams will develop the spirit of World Cup and work hard to qualify for the World Cup. This issue needs to be considered by the FIFA authorities.

Well.. this is a very good idea. Something like this can be considered - FIFA should organize one warmup match for each of the 48 participating nations one or two days before the start of the world cup. And teams that are ranked from 49 to 96 can take part in these warmup matches. This will also help the participating nations to get adjusted to the climatic conditions. And for FIFA, it will provide some additional revenue. Finally, for the teams that were unfortunate to miss the qualification, these matches will give a taste of the main competition.

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Quote from: shogun47 on March 09, 2023, 12:59:10 PM

It is not about being stronger, it is about the idea that the privilege to host a World Cup should engage the hosting nation as much as possible as it is what I said it is: a privilege. This way some fairness can be preserved for as long as the right to host the World Cup isn't won due to corruption.

I support the idea that World Cup events should be debated by a committee made up of members from several countries and not by a single institution with centralized decision-making power.

I recognize that FIFA's role is important and essential for world football, but events of great impact such as the Football World Cup should have their issues debated and resolved in common agreement with several representative countries, it would be more democratic, fair and probably it would greatly reduce the corruption that we all know exists within FIFA.

That doesn't solve the problem. Even if you have sort of an assembly of a lot of people who could then vote for a nation to become the host of the next World Cup, how would you prevent those voters from being bribed in advance? Corruption is so hard to fight because voters would be willing to vote against their own countries and people as soon as the price is high enough to suppress the last bit of morals inside of them.

Having more people to vote on the outcome would at least raise the price for corruption. Perhaps there should be some probabilistic procedure where 200 people get to read the applications, all of them have to cast a vote but only 20 of them will count based on a predetermined selection procedure. Like a lottery here on Bitcointalk that is based on the hash of a future block.

The basic idea would be to raise the price for corruption in any way possible, but I don't know what the right way could be to go about it.

I think every country that didn't qualify for the World Cup should be given one friendly match in the World Cup. Then the teams will develop the spirit of World Cup and work hard to qualify for the World Cup. This issue needs to be considered by the FIFA authorities.

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Quote from: alegotardo on March 09, 2023, 09:31:46 PM

Quote from: shogun47 on March 09, 2023, 12:59:10 PM

It is not about being stronger, it is about the idea that the privilege to host a World Cup should engage the hosting nation as much as possible as it is what I said it is: a privilege. This way some fairness can be preserved for as long as the right to host the World Cup isn't won due to corruption.

I support the idea that World Cup events should be debated by a committee made up of members from several countries and not by a single institution with centralized decision-making power.

I recognize that FIFA's role is important and essential for world football, but events of great impact such as the Football World Cup should have their issues debated and resolved in common agreement with several representative countries, it would be more democratic, fair and probably it would greatly reduce the corruption that we all know exists within FIFA.

That doesn't solve the problem. Even if you have sort of an assembly of a lot of people who could then vote for a nation to become the host of the next World Cup, how would you prevent those voters from being bribed in advance? Corruption is so hard to fight because voters would be willing to vote against their own countries and people as soon as the price is high enough to suppress the last bit of morals inside of them.

Having more people to vote on the outcome would at least raise the price for corruption. Perhaps there should be some probabilistic procedure where 200 people get to read the applications, all of them have to cast a vote but only 20 of them will count based on a predetermined selection procedure. Like a lottery here on Bitcointalk that is based on the hash of a future block.

The basic idea would be to raise the price for corruption in any way possible, but I don't know what the right way could be to go about it.

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Quote from: alegotardo on March 09, 2023, 09:31:46 PM

I support the idea that World Cup events should be debated by a committee made up of members from several countries and not by a single institution with centralized decision-making power.

I recognize that FIFA's role is important and essential for world football, but events of great impact such as the Football World Cup should have their issues debated and resolved in common agreement with several representative countries, it would be more democratic, fair and probably it would greatly reduce the corruption that we all know exists within FIFA.

Corruption will exist as long as the member nations are provided with equal voting rights. For example, for deciding the hosts for FIFA World Cup, Argentina and Brazil have the same voting rights as Palau or Nauru. And this is one of the reasons why there is so much corruption within FIFA. These smaller nations can be easily bribed. Qatar spent $300 billion to host the 2022 World Cup. Don't you think that they will bother paying a few million USD to bribe some of the small island nations to vote for them? And this is exactly how Qatar got the hosting rights for the 2022 edition.

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Quote from: shogun47 on March 09, 2023, 12:59:10 PM

It is not about being stronger, it is about the idea that the privilege to host a World Cup should engage the hosting nation as much as possible as it is what I said it is: a privilege. This way some fairness can be preserved for as long as the right to host the World Cup isn't won due to corruption.

I support the idea that World Cup events should be debated by a committee made up of members from several countries and not by a single institution with centralized decision-making power.

I recognize that FIFA's role is important and essential for world football, but events of great impact such as the Football World Cup should have their issues debated and resolved in common agreement with several representative countries, it would be more democratic, fair and probably it would greatly reduce the corruption that we all know exists within FIFA.

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Quote from: Oneandpure on March 09, 2023, 02:40:10 PM

I dislike with FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United because this edition have three co-hosts and cut off two national team slot participants left, no doubt with added participants from 32 become 48 national team and three co-hosts have 45 national team will get place for participating in FIFA World Cup 2026.

Still controversy with added participants team in FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United and have many matches later but most advantage with commercial is FIFA, they will earn much commission from broadcast and advertising with have many matches than usually still adopt 32 national team participants.

FIFA earns revenue mostly from matches involving the stronger teams, such as Brazil, Argentina and France. Irrespective of whether it is a 32-team competition, or a 48-team competition, these teams will be playing the same number of matches (and since there is one more round of knockout matches, there is a good chances that some of these teams may exit the tournament prematurely). The only benefit for FIFA is that increased participation from Asian and African teams would translate into increased viewership and enthusiasm from these nations. The decision to expand the world cup was not based on any assumption of increased revenue.

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Quote from: nullama on March 09, 2023, 05:49:07 PM

Quote from: Oneandpure on March 09, 2023, 02:40:10 PM

I dislike with FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United because this edition have three co-hosts and cut off two national team slot participants left, no doubt with added participants from 32 become 48 national team and three co-hosts have 45 national team will get place for participating in FIFA World Cup 2026.

Still controversy with added participants team in FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United and have many matches later but most advantage with commercial is FIFA, they will earn much commission from broadcast and advertising with have many matches than usually still adopt 32 national team participants.

Maybe this is the start of a new era of multi-country-hosted world cups. Already we have 3 for the next one and there's talks about having 4 in the 2030 one in South America.

Given that so many teams will be able to qualify, it's not crazy to qualify immediately more than one host.

We'll have to see what happens.

Just because the team is part of the host nations and getting opportunity isn't good. Atleast for this reason one country needs to host the event. Through this two teams additionally gets qualified into the World Cup. This means two countries that have given the best and stay unqualified. These situations needs to be taken into consideration and properly managed.

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Well, those were golden times, for that year it had not been born yet, but the way they describe it sounds like it was a very good football demonstration, now football is going in another direction, I don't know, but I think that before football had In another sense, it was more focused on team plays, now there are many stars, each country develops many players who are almost geniuses and the countries that have been powers since the start of the World Cup have always had the same relevance, we cannot Denying that some teams have also become powerful, football in general has improved, and that is remarkable.

Yes, you remembered a subject that was not previously discussed.
I also believe that football these days has changed compared to football in the past.
Nowadays, it is not just football that is involved, but there are other aspects that are also used, for example publicity/merchandising, several top players, from time to time appear on TV, participating in some commercial of products or other things like that.

Unlike football in the past, where basically the main objective is become a winner.

Every World Cup we see something new. In this world cup as we got to see the world cup trophy in the hands of the best Lionel Messi in history, it is very lucky for our generation. We expect to see more innovations in the next World Cup, and everyone wants the new team to make a big splash and take home the next World Cup.

I have no doubt, in the next World Cup we will have several tools and improved technology! Especially when it comes to an extremely significant and important event that is the World Cup.

Oh, I almost forget ... get ready guys, because I'm sure that several teams will be prepared for the next World Cup, and I have no doubt that some small and unknown teams will surprise many people!

There you are absolutely right, personally I am very excited that my country's team can go to a World Cup, we have never been to a World Cup and that is quite painful, of course what happens is that the CONMEBOL tie is another thing, facing Brazil, Argentina are safe places, it is very difficult to dethrone them because each time those countries bring out players with a great class and category, it is as if all the stars were concentrated there, of course there are many players from other countries South America who are good but cannot see themselves in a World Cup because their team does not help them, it is very difficult for them, because soccer is a game of 11, not 1.

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Quote from: Oneandpure on March 09, 2023, 02:40:10 PM

I dislike with FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United because this edition have three co-hosts and cut off two national team slot participants left, no doubt with added participants from 32 become 48 national team and three co-hosts have 45 national team will get place for participating in FIFA World Cup 2026.

Still controversy with added participants team in FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United and have many matches later but most advantage with commercial is FIFA, they will earn much commission from broadcast and advertising with have many matches than usually still adopt 32 national team participants.

Maybe this is the start of a new era of multi-country-hosted world cups. Already we have 3 for the next one and there's talks about having 4 in the 2030 one in South America.

Given that so many teams will be able to qualify, it's not crazy to qualify immediately more than one host.

We'll have to see what happens.

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Quote from: Oneandpure on March 09, 2023, 02:40:10 PM

I dislike with FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United because this edition have three co-hosts and cut off two national team slot participants left, no doubt with added participants from 32 become 48 national team and three co-hosts have 45 national team will get place for participating in FIFA World Cup 2026.

Still controversy with added participants team in FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United and have many matches later but most advantage with commercial is FIFA, they will earn much commission from broadcast and advertising with have many matches than usually still adopt 32 national team participants.

As far as I am concerned, if there will be three countries hosting the world cup, I believe that they should not get qualified all of them or at least one team should qualify for the tournament because this will allow other possible participants to get a chance to participate. It is my sincere hope that they will change the rules about getting auto-qualified for every other world cup after this soon so that 45 real teams can qualify instead of 48 teams.

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I dislike with FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United because this edition have three co-hosts and cut off two national team slot participants left, no doubt with added participants from 32 become 48 national team and three co-hosts have 45 national team will get place for participating in FIFA World Cup 2026.

Still controversy with added participants team in FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United and have many matches later but most advantage with commercial is FIFA, they will earn much commission from broadcast and advertising with have many matches than usually still adopt 32 national team participants.

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