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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on April 17, 2023, 01:25:25 PM

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There are many downsides to the revocation of host status for Indonesia at the U20 World Cup. Not only in financial terms, but this has an impact on the development of football in Indonesia itself. It's really unfortunate that things like this can happen, which can be said to be external factors that thwarted the holding of the U20 World Cup in Indonesia.
But also the actions of some people who refuse Israel to come to Indonesia also have a strong argument, yes, even though it is closely related to politics.

They are just illogical persons who prioritize unclear assumptions so that they reject Israel and will fight against Israel's coming to Indonesia to participate in the U20 World Cup so that FIFA makes this decision. But the decision has been made and now Indonesia can only feel disappointment and feel the losses they get.
Indonesia had sent an important figure in its government to meet with FIFA representatives so that they could compromise again to discuss the revocation of Indonesia as the host but that was only in vain because the decision made by FIFA was legal and determined.

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But what is now being questioned is why FIFA didn't do the same thing to Israel as FIFA did to Russia in the World Cup?

No one knows, friend, why FIFA did not give the same sanctions to Israel as FIFA gave punishments to Russia, what is clear is that this has become a debate and there is a sense of distrust of FIFA and considers it unfair in giving decisions.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 18, 2023, 01:00:02 PM

I think the same, even if Messi had a drop on his performance due to his age or an injury, if I was the coach of the Argentinian national team and I was given the choice between bringing a player which may not even play or Messi, I will pick Messi, as not only he could always change a game with a single play of his, but when we add the leadership he has, he could easily help his teammates and give them some advice even if he was not on the field.

The case with Argentina is different from that of Portugal. Argentina has an enormous pool of talented players, and already youngsters such as Julián Álvarez, Alexis Mac Allister and Enzo Fernández are performing well at the international level. The case with Portugal is different. They were always a one-man army led by Ronaldo and once he retires he will leave behind a huge vacuum that none of the younger players will be able to fill. They have a few youngsters like João Félix and Rafael Leão. But I have found these players to be very inconsistent.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on April 18, 2023, 04:10:45 PM

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 18, 2023, 06:15:38 AM

Again we are talking about Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi, I'm sure these two players were perfect players for ways in any team they were playing but both players are getting old and specialty Ronaldo can't have a good performance anymore like he was playing in Real Madrid and after three years I'm sure both players will have even worst performance. We had even more famous players they got retired and other younger players could replace them there is no need to worry about these two players in the 2026 world cup.

We are talking about an event that is scheduled to take place after 3 years from now. In case of Ronaldo, I am 99% sure that he will not be participating. For all practical purposes, he has moved to Saudi Arabia and Euro 2024 (in case Portugal manages to qualify) maybe his last major tournament for Portugal. In case of Messi, I am a bit more optimistic. As the captain of the winning side in 2022, it is his responsibility to defend the trophy in 2026. So the chances are higher that Messi will participate in FIFA World Cup 2026.

I think the same, even if Messi had a drop on his performance due to his age or an injury, if I was the coach of the Argentinian national team and I was given the choice between bringing a player which may not even play or Messi, I will pick Messi, as not only he could always change a game with a single play of his, but when we add the leadership he has, he could easily help his teammates and give them some advice even if he was not on the field.

I agree with you, Silberman. Ronaldo and Messi may have been perfect players and they did shine as stars, but as they age, their performance may decline.

Messi chances of participating are probably higher since he was the captain of the winning side in 2022.

which other players you think have big chances of participating?

I think in the case of Messi it also come down to what the people in Argentina want. Soccer is like a religion there and if you are the coach who has to decide whether to take Messi with you or not, I think it needs quit some guts to decide against it if generally Messi agrees to go for it one more time. It's a different case if Messi either retreats or if he is so bad that you couldn't justify at all to take him to the World Cup. But what are the chances that he really is so bad? Even if you put him on the bench, I think it can't be wrong to bring him on for half an hour, depending on what the situation in the game is. But if you are one goal behind and you can bring him on and you get a free kick, you are going to be happy you have him on board.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 18, 2023, 01:00:02 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2023, 10:38:17 AM

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Again we are talking about Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi, I'm sure these two players were perfect players for ways in any team they were playing but both players are getting old and specialty Ronaldo can't have a good performance anymore like he was playing in Real Madrid and after three years I'm sure both players will have even worst performance. We had even more famous players they got retired and other younger players could replace them there is no need to worry about these two players in the 2026 world cup.

We are talking about an event that is scheduled to take place after 3 years from now. In case of Ronaldo, I am 99% sure that he will not be participating. For all practical purposes, he has moved to Saudi Arabia and Euro 2024 (in case Portugal manages to qualify) maybe his last major tournament for Portugal. In case of Messi, I am a bit more optimistic. As the captain of the winning side in 2022, it is his responsibility to defend the trophy in 2026. So the chances are higher that Messi will participate in FIFA World Cup 2026.

I think the same, even if Messi had a drop on his performance due to his age or an injury, if I was the coach of the Argentinian national team and I was given the choice between bringing a player which may not even play or Messi, I will pick Messi, as not only he could always change a game with a single play of his, but when we add the leadership he has, he could easily help his teammates and give them some advice even if he was not on the field.

I agree with you, Silberman. Ronaldo and Messi may have been perfect players and they did shine as stars, but as they age, their performance may decline.

Messi chances of participating are probably higher since he was the captain of the winning side in 2022.

which other players you think have big chances of participating?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 17, 2023, 10:11:19 PM

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in our culture - it is said that the root cause of all the evil is Alcohol.
Banning it helped people helped them enjoy in real time and women and families felt secure as well.

First of all, I would not consider beer as an alcoholic beverage. It contains less than 5% ethyl alcohol. Even some of the homeopathic medications contain more alcoholic content. Also, beer is a fermented beverage and it is not distilled. Also, I don't agree with your argument that alcohol is the root cause of all the evil in the world. Here in India, there are states such as Mizoram, Nagaland and Bihar where alcohol is banned. And these are the states with highest drug addiction rates and crime rate in India. Also, the highest prevalence of HIV infection as well.

Well, I did not even know that there was a ban on alcohol on certain states in the India. The more you know.
Also, I agree and alcohol is not the root of evil, but rather people are (together with the bad ideas and intentions one can have).

I was in charge of the world cup, I would allow foreigners to have the beverages they like, honestly. It is okey muslin people have their culture and traditions, but we also have and it would be good if we could respect each other's decisions, and the commerce of beer could actually bring more people towards events held in countries where there majority are muslin.

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Quote from: len01 on April 18, 2023, 01:16:27 AM

according to my knowledge this beer contains 5% alcohol and if you drink it continuously it will definitely make you drunk. but it all depends on the situation of each person's body.
I mean sometimes someone who drinks beer finishes a few bottles without feeling drunk, but especially women who drink 1 bottle of beer already feel dizzy and drunk.
well, from this problem actually beer doesn't really make drinkers drunk but if it is consumed continuously while watching football, this can endanger the drinker and the surrounding situation.
but I'm sure even those who brought beer to watch football I think they can control themselves so that the world cup matches are still safe.

I think there is a difference between people and their sizes as well. For example many people think that it is sexist to say that women can get drunk quicker, well obviously if you compare a guy who rarely drinks vs a girl who constantly drinks, the girl will last longer.

But if you take a girl who never drinks and a guy who never drinks, the guy has a size advantage most of the time, when you imagine a girl and a guy, you imagine a guy being bigger most of the time ,that's the average size comparison. So if you are a tall heavy bodybuilder guy, drinking a few beers will do nothing to you, like drinking water, but if you a tiny person, like 4'11 or something with 100lbs weight, then I am sorry but even 2 beers could get you drunk.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 18, 2023, 01:00:02 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2023, 10:38:17 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 18, 2023, 06:15:38 AM

Again we are talking about Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi, I'm sure these two players were perfect players for ways in any team they were playing but both players are getting old and specialty Ronaldo can't have a good performance anymore like he was playing in Real Madrid and after three years I'm sure both players will have even worst performance. We had even more famous players they got retired and other younger players could replace them there is no need to worry about these two players in the 2026 world cup.

We are talking about an event that is scheduled to take place after 3 years from now. In case of Ronaldo, I am 99% sure that he will not be participating. For all practical purposes, he has moved to Saudi Arabia and Euro 2024 (in case Portugal manages to qualify) maybe his last major tournament for Portugal. In case of Messi, I am a bit more optimistic. As the captain of the winning side in 2022, it is his responsibility to defend the trophy in 2026. So the chances are higher that Messi will participate in FIFA World Cup 2026.

I think the same, even if Messi had a drop on his performance due to his age or an injury, if I was the coach of the Argentinian national team and I was given the choice between bringing a player which may not even play or Messi, I will pick Messi, as not only he could always change a game with a single play of his, but when we add the leadership he has, he could easily help his teammates and give them some advice even if he was not on the field.

I don't know for sure whether they are still playing in the World Cup or not, because we all know that previously many speculated that the Qatar World Cup would be the last World Cup for Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi. Maybe we'll have to see how it plays out, because it's a long time before the World Cup is actually held. 2 or 3 years is a long wait, and we don't know whether they will announce their retirement soon or not, because the possibility is also very large.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2023, 10:38:17 AM

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Again we are talking about Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi, I'm sure these two players were perfect players for ways in any team they were playing but both players are getting old and specialty Ronaldo can't have a good performance anymore like he was playing in Real Madrid and after three years I'm sure both players will have even worst performance. We had even more famous players they got retired and other younger players could replace them there is no need to worry about these two players in the 2026 world cup.

We are talking about an event that is scheduled to take place after 3 years from now. In case of Ronaldo, I am 99% sure that he will not be participating. For all practical purposes, he has moved to Saudi Arabia and Euro 2024 (in case Portugal manages to qualify) maybe his last major tournament for Portugal. In case of Messi, I am a bit more optimistic. As the captain of the winning side in 2022, it is his responsibility to defend the trophy in 2026. So the chances are higher that Messi will participate in FIFA World Cup 2026.

I think the same, even if Messi had a drop on his performance due to his age or an injury, if I was the coach of the Argentinian national team and I was given the choice between bringing a player which may not even play or Messi, I will pick Messi, as not only he could always change a game with a single play of his, but when we add the leadership he has, he could easily help his teammates and give them some advice even if he was not on the field.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2023, 10:38:17 AM

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Again we are talking about Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi, I'm sure these two players were perfect players for ways in any team they were playing but both players are getting old and specialty Ronaldo can't have a good performance anymore like he was playing in Real Madrid and after three years I'm sure both players will have even worst performance. We had even more famous players they got retired and other younger players could replace them there is no need to worry about these two players in the 2026 world cup.

We are talking about an event that is scheduled to take place after 3 years from now. In case of Ronaldo, I am 99% sure that he will not be participating. For all practical purposes, he has moved to Saudi Arabia and Euro 2024 (in case Portugal manages to qualify) maybe his last major tournament for Portugal. In case of Messi, I am a bit more optimistic. As the captain of the winning side in 2022, it is his responsibility to defend the trophy in 2026. So the chances are higher that Messi will participate in FIFA World Cup 2026.

Ronaldo is in any case motivated to participate. At the last World Cup he seemed to have passed completely, was almost not used at the tournament. After that he just participated in the qualifying matches for the European Championship. It is difficult to determine whether he will play. After all, if we are going to play the World Cup then we will be 3 years further then you will have reached an age physically that it will be almost impossible to play football at a high level. Just look at Ibrahimovic, he still has a nice level, but he will not reach the old level. Ronaldo is one of the fittest players of his age out there. That helps of course.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 18, 2023, 06:15:38 AM

Again we are talking about Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi, I'm sure these two players were perfect players for ways in any team they were playing but both players are getting old and specialty Ronaldo can't have a good performance anymore like he was playing in Real Madrid and after three years I'm sure both players will have even worst performance. We had even more famous players they got retired and other younger players could replace them there is no need to worry about these two players in the 2026 world cup.

We are talking about an event that is scheduled to take place after 3 years from now. In case of Ronaldo, I am 99% sure that he will not be participating. For all practical purposes, he has moved to Saudi Arabia and Euro 2024 (in case Portugal manages to qualify) maybe his last major tournament for Portugal. In case of Messi, I am a bit more optimistic. As the captain of the winning side in 2022, it is his responsibility to defend the trophy in 2026. So the chances are higher that Messi will participate in FIFA World Cup 2026.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on April 16, 2023, 08:07:47 AM

It's good to know that the Qatar world cup was peaceful and there were no issues related to alcohol consumption. Maybe other countries can learn from Qatar's rules and implement similar ones to control alcohol consumption and prevent any issues during the events.

What other countries, especially muslim countries should learn is that their citizens, despite the fact that their religion forbids alcohol consumption and gambling, still do these activities but they do it outside of their borders. They still visit some other countries, drink heavily, gamble a lot, use a service of prostitutes and then in their country they tell you that you shouldn't drink alcohol. Cmon, let's be frank, this is a double standard.

Quote from: keyscore44 on April 17, 2023, 04:15:43 AM

As Qatar is a Muslim country, their rules can be very difficult for people from other countries. But this is their rule. But since the next World Cup will not be held in a Muslim country, football fans will probably get a lot of freedom. However, those countries may impose some regulations on safety.

It doesn't matter what their rules are. When you host an international event, you should respect their vision and belief too. If they want people to stick with their rules, then they should only host local events.

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Quote from: Slow death on April 17, 2023, 01:52:12 PM

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Why do you think Ronaldo has no chance to play in the next World Cup? The new Portuguese coach invited Ronaldo to the national team again, after the World Cup in Qatar, which means that he is still seriously counting on him.
Ronaldo is no longer as effective a striker as he was a few years ago, but he is still physically fit, can still score goals and wants to play for Portugal. While that is the case, it will be difficult for any Portuguese coach to leave him out of the Portugal national team. Ronaldo is an institution in Portugal.
As for Messi, I think I read his statement somewhere that he still wants to play for the Argentinian national team, so it is not impossible that we will see both Ronaldo and Messi again at the next World Cup.

cristiano ronaldo is currently 38 years old, we are in 2023 and the next world cup will be in 3 years that is in 2026 and when it arrives in 2026 cristiano ronaldo will be 41 years old and looking at that age of 41 years he will be very old so the chances him playing in the starting 11 in the 2026 world cup are very low, look that in the national team of portugal there are many good strikers who are being the center of attention in big teams, being that they are younger than ronaldo so it is clear that the coach will put those good younger strikers to play at the beginning and ronaldo will be sitting on the bench

the problem arises from the fact that ronaldo is not a player who accepts sitting on the bench, so for the time being like qualifying games and euro games, the coach will always put ronaldo in the starting 11, but i very much doubt that in two years time the coach will always keep ronaldo in the initial 11, and we need to note that ronaldo is very popular and any coach of the portugal national team feels that pressure if he doesn't put ronaldo in the beginning but that will change because ronaldo's age with another 2 years will be slow and will be exposed to constant injuries

Again we are talking about Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi, I'm sure these two players were perfect players for ways in any team they were playing but both players are getting old and specialty Ronaldo can't have a good performance anymore like he was playing in Real Madrid and after three years I'm sure both players will have even worst performance. We had even more famous players they got retired and other younger players could replace them there is no need to worry about these two players in the 2026 world cup.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 17, 2023, 10:11:19 PM

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in our culture - it is said that the root cause of all the evil is Alcohol.
Banning it helped people helped them enjoy in real time and women and families felt secure as well.

First of all, I would not consider beer as an alcoholic beverage. It contains less than 5% ethyl alcohol. Even some of the homeopathic medications contain more alcoholic content. Also, beer is a fermented beverage and it is not distilled. Also, I don't agree with your argument that alcohol is the root cause of all the evil in the world. Here in India, there are states such as Mizoram, Nagaland and Bihar where alcohol is banned. And these are the states with highest drug addiction rates and crime rate in India. Also, the highest prevalence of HIV infection as well.

according to my knowledge this beer contains 5% alcohol and if you drink it continuously it will definitely make you drunk. but it all depends on the situation of each person's body.
I mean sometimes someone who drinks beer finishes a few bottles without feeling drunk, but especially women who drink 1 bottle of beer already feel dizzy and drunk.
well, from this problem actually beer doesn't really make drinkers drunk but if it is consumed continuously while watching football, this can endanger the drinker and the surrounding situation.
but I'm sure even those who brought beer to watch football I think they can control themselves so that the world cup matches are still safe.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 17, 2023, 10:11:19 PM

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First of all, I would not consider beer as an alcoholic beverage. It contains less than 5% ethyl alcohol. Even some of the homeopathic medications contain more alcoholic content. Also, beer is a fermented beverage and it is not distilled. Also, I don't agree with your argument that alcohol is the root cause of all the evil in the world. Here in India, there are states such as Mizoram, Nagaland and Bihar where alcohol is banned. And these are the states with highest drug addiction rates and crime rate in India. Also, the highest prevalence of HIV infection as well.

Beer absolutely is an alcoholic beverage.

You can end up heavily intoxicated by only drinking beer.

You are probably thinking of 0.5% instead of 5%. Even bread or soy sauce, etc, can have up to 0.5% or so of alcohol, but that's not enough to make you drunk.

There's no way a homeopathic medication has more alcohol content than beer. Happy to be proven wrong with a link, but that medication would not be sold without prescription if indeed it has more than 5%, which I'm sure it doesn't have.

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Quote from: Cryptock on April 17, 2023, 04:22:27 PM

in our culture - it is said that the root cause of all the evil is Alcohol.
Banning it helped people helped them enjoy in real time and women and families felt secure as well.

First of all, I would not consider beer as an alcoholic beverage. It contains less than 5% ethyl alcohol. Even some of the homeopathic medications contain more alcoholic content. Also, beer is a fermented beverage and it is not distilled. Also, I don't agree with your argument that alcohol is the root cause of all the evil in the world. Here in India, there are states such as Mizoram, Nagaland and Bihar where alcohol is banned. And these are the states with highest drug addiction rates and crime rate in India. Also, the highest prevalence of HIV infection as well.

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Quote from: wiss19 on April 17, 2023, 02:06:03 PM

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As Qatar is a Muslim country, their rules can be very difficult for people from other countries. But this is their rule. But since the next World Cup will not be held in a Muslim country, football fans will probably get a lot of freedom. However, those countries may impose some regulations on safety.

That is a must, there is no doubt about it. I understand that some countries may have some different rules than others, but one thing that is surely the case for every single nation in the entire world is the simple fact that when you get maybe millions, if not at least tens of or hundreds of thousands of people into a nation to just have fun, there is bound to be some trouble.

It's not even just about drinking, although that does make it harder of course because of what it does, but even if there are zero drinking, if you bring in 100k+ people together to just have fun, there will be some case of chaos, and you have to control that very carefully. So each nation that hosts, should spend the most money on security without a doubt.

As sad as it maybe, I think the biggest threat comes from potential terrorist attacks. This hasn't been that much of a risk in Qatar because it is relatively easy to secure the boarders an to check who crosses the boarders. This is a lot more difficult for the next World Cup. I don't see that much of an issue with standard stuff like minor crimes, a bit of drug dealing and so on. That's something that is going to happen, but isn't a serious danger. When you have a World Cup taking place in three different countries, the spending on security is going to be intense. The last thing you want is terrorists pulling off a successful attack and a World Cup can always be a target.

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Quote from: Gosgosking on April 17, 2023, 10:04:57 AM

Alcohol or no alcohol it will not affect the next world cup games in any way. The main thing we should be looking up to in the next World cup should be good security , making sure fans should be given the best welcome all through as the game last. I know the host in the next one will give the best to visitors.

in our culture - it is said that the root cause of all the evil is Alcohol.
Banning it helped people helped them enjoy in real time and women and families felt secure as well.

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Indonesia supports Palestine and they don't even have diplomatic relations with Israel. They didn't want Israel to come to this competition (idiots lol) and of course in the end they were denied the championship. It would be very strange if FIFA banned Israel because of the inadequate requirements of another country. The most moronic situation - what were they thinking in Indonesia when they wanted to host this competition? They thought that they themselves would distribute permits to participate in it?

I read some of the information circulating and it is very regrettable that this problem occurred and FIFA's decision was taken due to the refusal actions of several Indonesian government officials and incidents like this should not have happened because Indonesia's chances of participating in the U20 world cup failed due to political and diplomatic issues.
I don't know what their purpose is to reject Israel, what is clear is that this is a big loss for Indonesia in the development of football.

For now, FIFA's decision is clear and cannot be considered anymore, leaving only disappointment and dashed hopes for Indonesia to have the opportunity to take part in the U20 world cup this time.

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there is so much comparision about the Messi and Ronaldo
I think they are both superstar in their own life - they have influced the life of people and have struggled alot to acheieve this sucess

Every world cup has their own super stars.

They will always come and go.

Mbappe will probably be one of the super stars in the upcoming ones. He already did excellently well in the previous one.

And who know who else will shine this time around. Time to say goodbye to the old guard.

And when I was watching Neymar play - and the way he cried after losing the match against croatia I was so sad.
All the big names have influenced the life of people in many way. But it is hard to say one of the players is super star and the other is not

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Quote from: keyscore44 on April 17, 2023, 04:15:43 AM

As Qatar is a Muslim country, their rules can be very difficult for people from other countries. But this is their rule. But since the next World Cup will not be held in a Muslim country, football fans will probably get a lot of freedom. However, those countries may impose some regulations on safety.

That is a must, there is no doubt about it. I understand that some countries may have some different rules than others, but one thing that is surely the case for every single nation in the entire world is the simple fact that when you get maybe millions, if not at least tens of or hundreds of thousands of people into a nation to just have fun, there is bound to be some trouble.

It's not even just about drinking, although that does make it harder of course because of what it does, but even if there are zero drinking, if you bring in 100k+ people together to just have fun, there will be some case of chaos, and you have to control that very carefully. So each nation that hosts, should spend the most money on security without a doubt.

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