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Anyway, all I am saying is that these players don't have the capability of winning matches on their own. They can play a supplementary role, and that is it.

If you are talking about solo goals, those are rare and you really need a team effort to win matches and big tournaments and it is evident from the recent World Cup where Messi motivated the entire team and the team members trusted his vision and everyone wanted to win the cup for Messi and the player needs to be in the right position at the right time and only a team whose members are willing to play a supplementary role for the ultimate purpose can win the entire tournament Wink

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I have seen matches where Kylian Mbappé was not able to score goals nor get any chance to score one for PSG when Neymar and Messi were not available. You need a good midfield play to get the ball to the strikers, Ronaldo was facing the fate in Manchester United and now with Al-Nassr as he is not getting the ball and even if you are a goal scoring machine elsewhere, if the midfielders are not good enough to pass the ball along, you wont be scoring goals.

A team can only be victorious by a good team effort, if all the players are doing their role efficiently and good then a team can win . You cannot win a game by one man show and you cannot expect that from football players too , they need a good team who pass ball according to their position and helps the striker to score a goal .
Ronaldo's criticism from Al Nassr is same as they arenot admiting this fact that just Ronaldo cannot play whole game , other players have to play good to win match.

Everything in football is all about team work and you don't expect to be the best. If other do not pass the ball to you, you might to even score or let alone holding the ball. I could remember when they signed Ronaldo everyone was jubilating so why the complain now. That is one of the problems we so have in football. We do have high expectations from a particular player forgetting that we all are humans. He can not do more than his power so let just expect an improved result soon.

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In almost 100 years of history, only 8 countries in the world have won the world cup:

Of those, 3 are from South America(CONMEBOL) and 5 are from Europe(UEFA).

It looks to me that it's not a matter of having more teams, but rather, those are just extremely talented countries.

Every single one of those countries usually performs excellent. Winning a world cup is a major thing, it's not only about the number of countries participating.

I think it is about having a "football culture", which means it's not just about your clubs, it's not just about spending money, it's about having 2 things, and when you have these two things then you are going to be a great football nation. One of them is kids playing football everywhere you go, which is valid in more than these 8 nations, it's not just strict to these 8 nations, but you have to focus on the emphasis "everywhere you go", because in every single town of these nations, there are kids playing football everyday.

Secondly, a good youth setup, meaning if you are 10 years old, and you played with your friends and quite good? You need to step up, you can't just play with your friends and be scouted, so you need to sign up for a good youth setup somewhere, and that means there needs to be a setup in every town again. If a nation has these two, then they are pretty good. Most nations do not have the second one.

Agreed, with most of these countries football is much connected with their culture. For Asians to win a Cup it takes more time and right now it is beginning to progress. When someone is good in sport, he/she needs to be recognised and supported by the government with better infrastructure and coaching. In Asian countries this is lacking and over time realisation will make them give good competence against the South American and European Countries.

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Quote from: nullama on February 07, 2023, 10:45:19 PM

In almost 100 years of history, only 8 countries in the world have won the world cup:

Of those, 3 are from South America(CONMEBOL) and 5 are from Europe(UEFA).

It looks to me that it's not a matter of having more teams, but rather, those are just extremely talented countries.

Every single one of those countries usually performs excellent. Winning a world cup is a major thing, it's not only about the number of countries participating.

I think it is about having a "football culture", which means it's not just about your clubs, it's not just about spending money, it's about having 2 things, and when you have these two things then you are going to be a great football nation. One of them is kids playing football everywhere you go, which is valid in more than these 8 nations, it's not just strict to these 8 nations, but you have to focus on the emphasis "everywhere you go", because in every single town of these nations, there are kids playing football everyday.

Secondly, a good youth setup, meaning if you are 10 years old, and you played with your friends and quite good? You need to step up, you can't just play with your friends and be scouted, so you need to sign up for a good youth setup somewhere, and that means there needs to be a setup in every town again. If a nation has these two, then they are pretty good. Most nations do not have the second one.

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Quote from: slapper on February 08, 2023, 12:16:59 PM

While many had predicted that Belgium will shock the world in the 2022 World Cup, the Red Devils were eliminated in the first round. Possible causes include a deficiency of world-class talent or a failure to gel as a team.

No, the problem that made Belgium's game so messy in the Qatar world cup was caused by several factors. one of them, there is disharmony that occurs in the team. Belgium has pretty good player depth. unfortunately, at that time Roberto Martinez as a coach was unable to solve the problems that occurred in the squad of his foster children. so, it's only natural that Belgium doesn't show its best game.

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In contrast, Canada has what it takes to be a serious threat in the 2026 World Cup. If they are prepared to spend in cultivating fresh talent from the local level, their structure might enable them reconstruct into a formidable club.

For Canada. their game system was good enough, they showed a different style of play even though they had to be eliminated in the end. but at least, Canada will be a concern in the upcoming world cup, maybe their federation will be even more serious about creating lots of young talents. the 2026 world cup is still far away, Canada has time to make their national team even better.

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Croatia has a decent framework in place, but in order to remain successful in the tournament, they will need to discover innovative methods to produce fresh talent from their local contests. Croatia might still be a competitive squad in the 2026 World Cup with the appropriate resources and effort.

While Croatia, again, Croatia was able to enter until a crucial party. even though they were unable to finish in the final match, in truth, their struggle and hard work must be appreciated. Luca Modric is the hero, but I'm not sure he will still participate in the upcoming championships. so, for now I don't have any idea to judge Croatia squad anytime soon.

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I would compare this with Croatia and their lousy football league, while their national team is among the top football teams in the world. If you look at it, Croatian football teams doesn't have shiny sports facilities and training camps. But also very few players in the Croatian national team actually plays in Croatia. It's similar with Brazilian and Argentinian football players. Very few of their national team players actually play in their home football leagues. Most of them play in top European clubs.

Belgium is no exception. Before the 2022 Qatar World Cup was held, Belgium was previously predicted to be a dark horse team which might become a stumbling block for strong teams who are always more favored. but in fact, they failed to even qualify from the group phase. even though almost as a whole, the core players of the Belgian squad play at the level of Europe's top leagues.

In the 2026 World Cup, I believe there are many teams that are experiencing significant changes that can play at a high level if they are serious about being able to compete in the world championship. especially Canada, they play very much differently. in terms of game, Canada displayed a very solid game. the problem is, Canada doesn't have many players whose quality is above average. only if we look at the system they play, Canada will reform into a team that is quite tough in the world cup championship later.

For Croatia, for now there is not much player regeneration that is quite prominent. but after all, Croatia will always be counted in the championship later. because, they have built a pretty good system. the rest, Croatia must have a way to create new talent starting from its local competition.

While many had predicted that Belgium will shock the world in the 2022 World Cup, the Red Devils were eliminated in the first round. Possible causes include a deficiency of world-class talent or a failure to gel as a team.

In contrast, Canada has what it takes to be a serious threat in the 2026 World Cup. If they are prepared to spend in cultivating fresh talent from the local level, their structure might enable them reconstruct into a formidable club.

Croatia has a decent framework in place, but in order to remain successful in the tournament, they will need to discover innovative methods to produce fresh talent from their local contests. Croatia might still be a competitive squad in the 2026 World Cup with the appropriate resources and effort.

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Messi's current interview suggests he may not play in the next World Cup. In fact, this year's World Cup was organized historically. And witnessing this historic event, Messi's Argentina made history and secured the World Cup. Lionel Messi is now complete in all aspects.

Lionel Messi is very satisfied with his achievements so far in football, he has won almost all competitions either in the league or in international competition with Argentina. So even if he retires later everyone will always remember the historical moment about him. But the 2022 world cup is the pinnacle of his career and with that I think he is done.

Right now we are in 2023 and the 2026 world cup starts in 4 years, which is far away, and Lionel Messi is 35 years old. He indeed got reach many achievements with many teams while playing for Argentina and the clubs he was paying there but playing at age of 39-38 in the world cup is not something many players can reach even the most professional players can't perform like the early years and mostly these players prefer to retire before everyone sees them playing for poor performance level compared to other times and I guess Lionel Messi is one these players.

You are absolutely correct, Messi have achieved everything that is achievable in football, and so is Ronaldo as well, I personally can not find any reason why they should still be in the field of play by the age of 39 upwards, it is better to retire so as to give the younger players the breathing space to prove themselves, like I said in my previous comment, they can not play forever, even if they want to, so it is better for them to give themselves rest while the younger seize the opportunity to show what they are capable of.

I doubt if Messi and Ronaldo will be able to participate in the next world cup. Even we call see the effect of age in their performance, expecially that of Ronaldo. In the very next four years their performance will be very terrible. They have done enough and achieved enough, the best thing is to retire.

These are the common comments that are made after the World Cup 2022 and I know this got a point because at 40 years old, there is indeed a lot of change from the player's body that would highly affect its performance and worse, the play of the whole team as this sport requires a team play and not just by one player who will carry them towards the win. But we shouldn't also forget that these are mere speculations and will remain as speculations as of now because only Messi and CR7 can answer those questions for us if we will see them in the next WC or not.

Ronaldo is 37 right now and in 2026 he'll be 40+ so his participation is a question as his performance and fitness will be different than now. They participate or not they have already given too much to football world . The way they played , there achievements they are remarkable and whatever world says they both are the goats of football world.

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Messi's current interview suggests he may not play in the next World Cup. In fact, this year's World Cup was organized historically. And witnessing this historic event, Messi's Argentina made history and secured the World Cup. Lionel Messi is now complete in all aspects.

Lionel Messi is very satisfied with his achievements so far in football, he has won almost all competitions either in the league or in international competition with Argentina. So even if he retires later everyone will always remember the historical moment about him. But the 2022 world cup is the pinnacle of his career and with that I think he is done.

Right now we are in 2023 and the 2026 world cup starts in 4 years, which is far away, and Lionel Messi is 35 years old. He indeed got reach many achievements with many teams while playing for Argentina and the clubs he was paying there but playing at age of 39-38 in the world cup is not something many players can reach even the most professional players can't perform like the early years and mostly these players prefer to retire before everyone sees them playing for poor performance level compared to other times and I guess Lionel Messi is one these players.

You are absolutely correct, Messi have achieved everything that is achievable in football, and so is Ronaldo as well, I personally can not find any reason why they should still be in the field of play by the age of 39 upwards, it is better to retire so as to give the younger players the breathing space to prove themselves, like I said in my previous comment, they can not play forever, even if they want to, so it is better for them to give themselves rest while the younger seize the opportunity to show what they are capable of.

I doubt if Messi and Ronaldo will be able to participate in the next world cup. Even we call see the effect of age in their performance, expecially that of Ronaldo. In the very next four years their performance will be very terrible. They have done enough and achieved enough, the best thing is to retire.

These are the common comments that are made after the World Cup 2022 and I know this got a point because at 40 years old, there is indeed a lot of change from the player's body that would highly affect its performance and worse, the play of the whole team as this sport requires a team play and not just by one player who will carry them towards the win. But we shouldn't also forget that these are mere speculations and will remain as speculations as of now because only Messi and CR7 can answer those questions for us if we will see them in the next WC or not.

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Hmm.. yes. 2006-2018 period was completely dominated by UEFA. Both Argentina and Brazil suffered setbacks during this period, and were unable to perform well in the FIFA tournaments (barring the 2014 edition, when Argentina managed to finish as the runners up). But now the scenario is changing once more. European teams are getting weaker, as many of their top players are close to retirement (Ronaldo, Benzema, Müller.etc). Younger players are not performing at the same level as the senior players. But for Brazil and Argentina, the advantage is that their younger players are already performing well at international level - Lautaro Martínez, Alexis Mac Allister, Enzo Fernández and Lisandro Martínez for Argentina and Richarlison, Raphinha, Gabriel Jesus, Antony, Vinícius Júnior and Gabriel Martinelli for Brazil.

Well, it's hard to say for European players because there are some great players who were born in Europe and are considered Europeans but in reality they aren't. For example, William Saliba, Kylian Mbappé and Bukayo Saka are great players from Europe but actually their origin is different and it again proves that European forwarders aren't that great again. But at the same time, while South American players are consider as best players, we have to admit that it's probably because of their colocation in Europe that gave them possibility to access good training equipments, practices, good doctors, good coaches, etc.

But there are great truly European young players: Erling Haaland, Phil Foden, Florian Wirtz, Khvicha Kvaratskhelia, Goncalo Ramos, Gavi.
I especially like Haaland. I don't think anyone has a chance against him.
P.S. I hope people will realize that in truly European I meant a person whose ancestors were born and raised in European continents. I don't intend to offend anyone.

All those players you mention were born, raised and educated in Europe, and if it weren't for that, they probably would never have reached the top level of football.
Yes, their origin is not European, but if you were to research all Europeans going back 3-4 generations, probably at least half of the people would have origins outside of Europe Grin

I believe that all these players consider themselves Europeans and feel that way.
In fact, I don't think it makes sense to talk about European players or strikers not being as good as African or South American ones, because in the last 20 years only one South American national team has been world champion in soccer, and all other world championships have been won by European national teams. It is the best indicator on which continent the best football is played. Should we even mention the difference in the quality of European and South American club football?

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Maybe there are not many star players like Ronaldo, Benzema and Muller but there are great young players from Europe.

Quote from: Synchronice on February 08, 2023, 04:39:10 AM

For example, William Saliba, Kylian Mbappé and Bukayo Saka are great players from Europe but actually their origin is different and it again proves that European forwarders aren't that great again.

Quote from: Synchronice on February 08, 2023, 04:39:10 AM

But there are great truly European young players: Erling Haaland, Phil Foden, Florian Wirtz, Khvicha Kvaratskhelia, Goncalo Ramos, Gavi.
I especially like Haaland. I don't think anyone has a chance against him.
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Among all the players mentioned here, I would rate just two - Kylian Mbappé and Erling Håland as players capable of replacing someone like Ronaldo or Müller. Or in other words, I would say that only these two have the capability of winning matches on their own. And Håland plays for Norway, who almost never qualifies for the FIFA World Cup.

Players like Bukayo Saka and Phil Foden are talented. But I haven't seen them performing consistently. And Bukayo Saka is the same guy who sank England in Euro 2020, when he missed the penalty kick. Anyway, all I am saying is that these players don't have the capability of winning matches on their own. They can play a supplementary role, and that is it.

@Sithara007 I agree on your assessment about Mbappe and Haaland, but I disagree that Foden and Saka can’t win matches on their own because these two have developed really well and in coming year’s they’ll definitely win matches for their team. Furthermore Saka has moved on from that penalty miss, and see how well he’s playing this season which further convinces me that he’s has all the attributes of winning matches for his team.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 08, 2023, 06:45:15 AM

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Anyway, all I am saying is that these players don't have the capability of winning matches on their own. They can play a supplementary role, and that is it.

If you are talking about solo goals, those are rare and you really need a team effort to win matches and big tournaments and it is evident from the recent World Cup where Messi motivated the entire team and the team members trusted his vision and everyone wanted to win the cup for Messi and the player needs to be in the right position at the right time and only a team whose members are willing to play a supplementary role for the ultimate purpose can win the entire tournament Wink

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I have seen matches where Kylian Mbappé was not able to score goals nor get any chance to score one for PSG when Neymar and Messi were not available. You need a good midfield play to get the ball to the strikers, Ronaldo was facing the fate in Manchester United and now with Al-Nassr as he is not getting the ball and even if you are a goal scoring machine elsewhere, if the midfielders are not good enough to pass the ball along, you wont be scoring goals.

A team can only be victorious by a good team effort, if all the players are doing their role efficiently and good then a team can win . You cannot win a game by one man show and you cannot expect that from football players too , they need a good team who pass ball according to their position and helps the striker to score a goal .
Ronaldo's criticism from Al Nassr is same as they arenot admiting this fact that just Ronaldo cannot play whole game , other players have to play good to win match.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 08, 2023, 06:45:15 AM

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Anyway, all I am saying is that these players don't have the capability of winning matches on their own. They can play a supplementary role, and that is it.

If you are talking about solo goals, those are rare and you really need a team effort to win matches and big tournaments and it is evident from the recent World Cup where Messi motivated the entire team and the team members trusted his vision and everyone wanted to win the cup for Messi and the player needs to be in the right position at the right time and only a team whose members are willing to play a supplementary role for the ultimate purpose can win the entire tournament Wink

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I have seen matches where Kylian Mbappé was not able to score goals nor get any chance to score one for PSG when Neymar and Messi were not available. You need a good midfield play to get the ball to the strikers, Ronaldo was facing the fate in Manchester United and now with Al-Nassr as he is not getting the ball and even if you are a goal scoring machine elsewhere, if the midfielders are not good enough to pass the ball along, you wont be scoring goals.

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Quote from: slackovic on February 08, 2023, 03:20:21 AM

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Maybe there are not many star players like Ronaldo, Benzema and Muller but there are great young players from Europe.

Quote from: Synchronice on February 08, 2023, 04:39:10 AM

For example, William Saliba, Kylian Mbappé and Bukayo Saka are great players from Europe but actually their origin is different and it again proves that European forwarders aren't that great again.

Quote from: Synchronice on February 08, 2023, 04:39:10 AM

But there are great truly European young players: Erling Haaland, Phil Foden, Florian Wirtz, Khvicha Kvaratskhelia, Goncalo Ramos, Gavi.
I especially like Haaland. I don't think anyone has a chance against him.
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Among all the players mentioned here, I would rate just two - Kylian Mbappé and Erling Håland as players capable of replacing someone like Ronaldo or Müller. Or in other words, I would say that only these two have the capability of winning matches on their own. And Håland plays for Norway, who almost never qualifies for the FIFA World Cup.

Players like Bukayo Saka and Phil Foden are talented. But I haven't seen them performing consistently. And Bukayo Saka is the same guy who sank England in Euro 2020, when he missed the penalty kick. Anyway, all I am saying is that these players don't have the capability of winning matches on their own. They can play a supplementary role, and that is it.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 07, 2023, 11:51:49 PM

Hmm.. yes. 2006-2018 period was completely dominated by UEFA. Both Argentina and Brazil suffered setbacks during this period, and were unable to perform well in the FIFA tournaments (barring the 2014 edition, when Argentina managed to finish as the runners up). But now the scenario is changing once more. European teams are getting weaker, as many of their top players are close to retirement (Ronaldo, Benzema, Müller.etc). Younger players are not performing at the same level as the senior players. But for Brazil and Argentina, the advantage is that their younger players are already performing well at international level - Lautaro Martínez, Alexis Mac Allister, Enzo Fernández and Lisandro Martínez for Argentina and Richarlison, Raphinha, Gabriel Jesus, Antony, Vinícius Júnior and Gabriel Martinelli for Brazil.

Well, it's hard to say for European players because there are some great players who were born in Europe and are considered Europeans but in reality they aren't. For example, William Saliba, Kylian Mbappé and Bukayo Saka are great players from Europe but actually their origin is different and it again proves that European forwarders aren't that great again. But at the same time, while South American players are consider as best players, we have to admit that it's probably because of their colocation in Europe that gave them possibility to access good training equipments, practices, good doctors, good coaches, etc.

But there are great truly European young players: Erling Haaland, Phil Foden, Florian Wirtz, Khvicha Kvaratskhelia, Goncalo Ramos, Gavi.
I especially like Haaland. I don't think anyone has a chance against him.
P.S. I hope people will realize that in truly European I meant a person whose ancestors were born and raised in European continents. I don't intend to offend anyone.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 07, 2023, 11:51:49 PM

Hmm.. yes. 2006-2018 period was completely dominated by UEFA. Both Argentina and Brazil suffered setbacks during this period, and were unable to perform well in the FIFA tournaments (barring the 2014 edition, when Argentina managed to finish as the runners up). But now the scenario is changing once more. European teams are getting weaker, as many of their top players are close to retirement (Ronaldo, Benzema, Müller.etc). Younger players are not performing at the same level as the senior players. But for Brazil and Argentina, the advantage is that their younger players are already performing well at international level - Lautaro Martínez, Alexis Mac Allister, Enzo Fernández and Lisandro Martínez for Argentina and Richarlison, Raphinha, Gabriel Jesus, Antony, Vinícius Júnior and Gabriel Martinelli for Brazil.

I wouldn't say that European teams are getting weaker. I think they are stagnating while the teams from other parts of the world (especially South America) are getting stronger. All of those European top players that you mentioned who are close to retirement will eventually get replaced by new stars. Maybe there are not many star players like Ronaldo, Benzema and Muller but there are great young players from Europe.

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Quote from: shogun47 on February 07, 2023, 11:29:45 PM

Yes your conclusions are right more or less, but keep in mind that these statistics refer to the entire history of World Cups. If you have a closer eye at certain periods of time, you can clearly see that the last 20 years (before Argentina's FIFA World Cup win now) were strongly dominated by UEFA teams. 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2018 all finals were won by a UEFA team and even only a single time the runner up was a CONMEBOL team (Argentina in 2014 against Germany).

Whether I would say that CONMEBOL dominates the scene completely is, even statistically spoken, probably wrong (given that it is 11:8 for CONMEBOL).

Though the statistics are still interesting when you take into account all the other facts like number of participants per association and so on. I didn't know all of that before in deeper detail, so it was fun to dig a bit around and understand it better.

Hmm.. yes. 2006-2018 period was completely dominated by UEFA. Both Argentina and Brazil suffered setbacks during this period, and were unable to perform well in the FIFA tournaments (barring the 2014 edition, when Argentina managed to finish as the runners up). But now the scenario is changing once more. European teams are getting weaker, as many of their top players are close to retirement (Ronaldo, Benzema, Müller.etc). Younger players are not performing at the same level as the senior players. But for Brazil and Argentina, the advantage is that their younger players are already performing well at international level - Lautaro Martínez, Alexis Mac Allister, Enzo Fernández and Lisandro Martínez for Argentina and Richarlison, Raphinha, Gabriel Jesus, Antony, Vinícius Júnior and Gabriel Martinelli for Brazil.

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There it is UEFA 12 to CONMEBOL 10. There were 11 finals where it was CONMEBOL vs. UEFA and out of those 11, CONMEBOL won 8.

Well.. this is a very interesting statistic. The conclusion I can draw out of this is:

1. There is a higher chance of an UEFA team winning the world cup, simply because far more teams from UEFA participates when compared to any other confederation (13 teams till 2022).
2. For CONMEOL, since 4.5 teams are allowed, the chances are considerably less.
3. But out of the 11 finals between CONMEBOL teams and UEFA teams, the former won on 8 occasions. This means that in one-to-one encounters (where UEFA doesn't have the numerical advantage), CONMEBOL dominates the scene completely.

Yes your conclusions are right more or less, but keep in mind that these statistics refer to the entire history of World Cups. If you have a closer eye at certain periods of time, you can clearly see that the last 20 years (before Argentina's FIFA World Cup win now) were strongly dominated by UEFA teams. 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2018 all finals were won by a UEFA team and even only a single time the runner up was a CONMEBOL team (Argentina in 2014 against Germany).

Whether I would say that CONMEBOL dominates the scene completely is, even statistically spoken, probably wrong (given that it is 11:8 for CONMEBOL).

Though the statistics are still interesting when you take into account all the other facts like number of participants per association and so on. I didn't know all of that before in deeper detail, so it was fun to dig a bit around and understand it better.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 07, 2023, 12:59:49 AM

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Well.. this is a very interesting statistic. The conclusion I can draw out of this is:

1. There is a higher chance of an UEFA team winning the world cup, simply because far more teams from UEFA participates when compared to any other confederation (13 teams till 2022).
2. For CONMEOL, since 4.5 teams are allowed, the chances are considerably less.
3. But out of the 11 finals between CONMEBOL teams and UEFA teams, the former won on 8 occasions. This means that in one-to-one encounters (where UEFA doesn't have the numerical advantage), CONMEBOL dominates the scene completely.

In almost 100 years of history, only 8 countries in the world have won the world cup:

Of those, 3 are from South America(CONMEBOL) and 5 are from Europe(UEFA).

It looks to me that it's not a matter of having more teams, but rather, those are just extremely talented countries.

Every single one of those countries usually performs excellent. Winning a world cup is a major thing, it's not only about the number of countries participating.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on February 07, 2023, 05:57:52 PM

I can't help but agree with you here, Africa is actually blessed with a lot of really good players, but like you said, the real problem is lack of proper and adequate funding from the government respectively..
As an African myself, I have come across really good players on the street who if given the chance, would contribute greatly to taking African football to Great height, but unfortunately, there are no provisions set by the football federation to capture this category of people at their tender ages for proper training..

Actually lack of proper infrastructure is no longer a stumbling block. Talented players, even from little known countries will be contracted by European or Arab clubs sooner or later. Look at the Moroccan national team that reached semi-finals of Qatar 2022. A majority of the players are representing UEFA leagues. For example, Achraf Hakimi is representing Paris Saint-Germain F.C. Yassine Bounou plays for Sevilla and Noussair Mazraoui is contracted by Bayern Munich. When players are representing these clubs, the lack of quality facilities back home doesn't matter much.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on February 07, 2023, 05:57:52 PM

I can't help but agree with you here, Africa is actually blessed with a lot of really good players, but like you said, the real problem is lack of proper and adequate funding from the government respectively..
As an African myself, I have come across really good players on the street who if given the chance, would contribute greatly to taking African football to Great height, but unfortunately, there are no provisions set by the football federation to capture this category of people at their tender ages for proper training..

It is this type of recognition that FIFA is trying to highlight with the entry of more players in the next world cup.

Today there are many more very good teams, with great players, who need space to show their talent. Very different from a few decades ago when this was a sport only for favorite teams and "best in the world" players.

In the last Olympics we already had a lot of "surprises" with several "favorites" and I don't doubt at all that the next competition will happen the same.

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There it is UEFA 12 to CONMEBOL 10. There were 11 finals where it was CONMEBOL vs. UEFA and out of those 11, CONMEBOL won 8.

Well.. this is a very interesting statistic. The conclusion I can draw out of this is:

1. There is a higher chance of an UEFA team winning the world cup, simply because far more teams from UEFA participates when compared to any other confederation (13 teams till 2022).
2. For CONMEOL, since 4.5 teams are allowed, the chances are considerably less.
3. But out of the 11 finals between CONMEBOL teams and UEFA teams, the former won on 8 occasions. This means that in one-to-one encounters (where UEFA doesn't have the numerical advantage), CONMEBOL dominates the scene completely.

The reason why South American teams perform well in the world cup is unexplainable. Brazil have won the world cup five times, Argentina three times and Uruguay 2. Comparing the sports facilities and economic conditions of UEFA and CONMEBOL member countries, the former is more advanced and better. I think South American players are more talented and they produce some of the best stars in football history, Pele and Maradona are good examples. But we have seen a lot of improvement by the African sides, their chance of winning the world cup is also high based on Qatar's performance.

In my opinion, African teams have a ton of untapped potential and have what it takes to become a major global power. But it's tough for African teams to compete on the same level as South American teams because of their economic and structural limitations. There are not enough resources in many African countries for their national football teams to receive appropriate training and play in suitable stadiums. It's because of this that they have a hard time competing with groups from more developed areas.

However, advancement to the elite levels of play is not out of the question for African nations. Maintaining the current level of effort to enhance the teams' infrastructure and resources is required. It would be an incredible feat if an African team were to win the International Cup, but with the proper funding, African teams might become a powerful force on the world stage.

I can't help but agree with you here, Africa is actually blessed with a lot of really good players, but like you said, the real problem is lack of proper and adequate funding from the government respectively..
As an African myself, I have come across really good players on the street who if given the chance, would contribute greatly to taking African football to Great height, but unfortunately, there are no provisions set by the football federation to capture this category of people at their tender ages for proper training..

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