FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread - page 308.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 03, 2023, 11:16:02 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 03, 2023, 12:04:50 PM

You write incredible nonsense, sorry. Argentina is much stronger than France? That is why it could only win in the penalty shootout (twice in the tournament lol). And in any case, I'm not talking about single results - I suggest you look at more extensive statistics. Statistically, Europe is above all. And only then in the basement COMNEBOL is better than other regions, but this is only a struggle between the weak, nothing more.

I guess you didn't watched the final match between Argentina and France. For the initial 80 minutes, France was nowhere in the picture and Argentina had ball possession of 70% plus. With just 10 minutes to go towards the end of regular time, Argentina coach Lionel Scaloni made the big mistake of substituting Ángel Di María with Marcos Acuña. This allowed France to score their first goal in 80th minute and then again in 81st minute. By the end of 120 minutes, score was 3-3, but France had scored two out of that goals through penalty kicks.

The last 10 minutes and then the extra time performance saved France from complete humiliation. But it was clear that Argentina was the better team by a long distance. Since you are talking about stats, check these:

Total shots: ARG 20, FRA 10
Shots on target: ARG 10, FRA 5
Saves: ARG 2, FRA 7

Messi's current interview suggests he may not play in the next World Cup. In fact, this year's World Cup was organized historically. And witnessing this historic event, Messi's Argentina made history and secured the World Cup. Lionel Messi is now complete in all aspects.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 03, 2023, 12:04:50 PM

You write incredible nonsense, sorry. Argentina is much stronger than France? That is why it could only win in the penalty shootout (twice in the tournament lol). And in any case, I'm not talking about single results - I suggest you look at more extensive statistics. Statistically, Europe is above all. And only then in the basement COMNEBOL is better than other regions, but this is only a struggle between the weak, nothing more.

I guess you didn't watched the final match between Argentina and France. For the initial 80 minutes, France was nowhere in the picture and Argentina had ball possession of 70% plus. With just 10 minutes to go towards the end of regular time, Argentina coach Lionel Scaloni made the big mistake of substituting Ángel Di María with Marcos Acuña. This allowed France to score their first goal in 80th minute and then again in 81st minute. By the end of 120 minutes, score was 3-3, but France had scored two out of that goals through penalty kicks.

The last 10 minutes and then the extra time performance saved France from complete humiliation. But it was clear that Argentina was the better team by a long distance. Since you are talking about stats, check these:

Total shots: ARG 20, FRA 10
Shots on target: ARG 10, FRA 5
Saves: ARG 2, FRA 7

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Quote from: nullama on February 03, 2023, 07:45:37 PM

Quote from: alegotardo on February 03, 2023, 07:12:56 PM

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Well, the world is getting a bit more mixed these days. For example, in France you have Mbappe, who was born in Paris, France, but his genetics come from his parents. His father is from Cameroon, and his mother from Algeria.

There are many examples like this. I think there is more migration in Europe than in South America though, so that would mean that there are more mixed players in Europe, probably ending up with better players.

That reminds me back during the celebration of Argentina victory, some people started to make and share memes on Twitter comparing the skin color of Argentina's team and France's team, highlighting the fact one was a South American team and the other one an European team.

There are truly "interesting" people out there on the internet.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 03, 2023, 07:12:56 PM

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I must agree with you and highlight another very important factor...
Do teams in Europe have only European players in their squad? What continents do your players come from?
Argentina and Brazil certainly contribute a lot to these numbers, Brazil for example is the country that most exports players to the world and most of them are playing in European teams.

So, with that I can support your statement that European teams are only good when they play at home, because when they go to play the FIFA World Cup, they have many embezzlements, as most of their good players return to their home teams.

Well, the world is getting a bit more mixed these days. For example, in France you have Mbappe, who was born in Paris, France, but his genetics come from his parents. His father is from Cameroon, and his mother from Algeria.

There are many examples like this. I think there is more migration in Europe than in South America though, so that would mean that there are more mixed players in Europe, probably ending up with better players.

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Quote from: Cryptock on February 03, 2023, 06:52:02 PM

The two strongest teams in Qatar 2022 were Argentina and Brazil. No one will deny that. All the other teams (including European teams such as France and Spain) would rank much below them. I agree that France managed to reach the finals, but they were lucky to avoid good opponents during the knockout phase. And one more thing. European teams perform well only when the tournaments are staged in Europe. This time the tournament was being held in Qatar, and teams such as Germany and Belgium had a horrible run.

I must agree with you and highlight another very important factor...
Do teams in Europe have only European players in their squad? What continents do your players come from?
Argentina and Brazil certainly contribute a lot to these numbers, Brazil for example is the country that most exports players to the world and most of them are playing in European teams.

So, with that I can support your statement that European teams are only good when they play at home, because when they go to play the FIFA World Cup, they have many embezzlements, as most of their good players return to their home teams.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 03, 2023, 12:04:50 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 02, 2023, 11:05:15 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 02, 2023, 03:37:02 PM

Are you constantly posting this to troll? The superiority of the European region is undeniable. First comes Europe and then a few floors below the rest of the regions. Look at the statistics for probably any period (adequate and not "50 years ago") and you will see that Europe dominates. This is a statistical fact and not a matter of personal preference.

The two strongest teams in Qatar 2022 were Argentina and Brazil. No one will deny that. All the other teams (including European teams such as France and Spain) would rank much below them. I agree that France managed to reach the finals, but they were lucky to avoid good opponents during the knockout phase. And one more thing. European teams perform well only when the tournaments are staged in Europe. This time the tournament was being held in Qatar, and teams such as Germany and Belgium had a horrible run.

You write incredible nonsense, sorry. Argentina is much stronger than France? That is why it could only win in the penalty shootout (twice in the tournament lol). And in any case, I'm not talking about single results - I suggest you look at more extensive statistics. Statistically, Europe is above all. And only then in the basement COMNEBOL is better than other regions, but this is only a struggle between the weak, nothing more.

I think everyone has their opinion and we must respect them.
Brazil was a strong team - I couldn't get Neymar off my mind for days when they lost to Croatia -after I saw him crying

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Quote from: dezoel on January 30, 2023, 04:15:40 PM

I think Ronaldo being in this one would be very very weird. Dude is already 37-38 years old, meaning by the time we are in 2026, that would make him at least 40, maybe 41 I don't know when it is. So that means he would be much worse than he is right now, and we have seen him not be that great this year already, so the fact that he could play on the next one would be insane, he would be much worse and not worth it at all.

I think it's quite important to remember that the best thing to do would be just making sure that he would be not hurting the team. You could end up with something much better if he was called but not played, it would be like a veteran legend out there helping the players psychologically at the very best case, but not playing.

Even in this age he is far stronger than most of the player.
He is a diamond and a legend and he wont go off the people mind for long.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 03, 2023, 04:22:10 PM

Quote from: shogun47 on February 03, 2023, 03:55:36 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 03, 2023, 12:04:50 PM

You write incredible nonsense, sorry. Argentina is much stronger than France? That is why it could only win in the penalty shootout (twice in the tournament lol). And in any case, I'm not talking about single results - I suggest you look at more extensive statistics. Statistically, Europe is above all. And only then in the basement COMNEBOL is better than other regions, but this is only a struggle between the weak, nothing more.

Argentina isn't any stronger than France. But generally speaking, I would say that it is more or less even when you look at the total World Cup titles won between the two associations. It is 12 for UEFA and 10 for CONMEBOL. That's not really indicating any statistically significant advantages of one association over the other considering the full history. You could argue though that recently, like the 20 years before the Qatar World Cup, Europe pretty heavily dominated the World Cups. in 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2018 there was just one single CONMEBOL team reaching the final (which was Argentina in 2014 against Germany). But to be fair the 2014 final could have gone either way as much as the 2022 final could have gone either way.

I would say that the history is even too short to actually draw some serious conclusions when it comes to World Cup winners. Five finals since 1994 ended with additional extra time three of which ended in a penalty shootout. I think that it's usually not the case that there is one overwhelming favorite. I guess nobody expected Argentina to win this World Cup after starting with a loss against Saudi Arabia! Wink

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12 vs 10 titles?
12+10=22
22x4=88
Do you want to discuss a period of 88 years? Cheesy

I think the easiest thing is to take the last 5 championships (20 years is one or two generations at most) and see how many teams from Europe were in the top three and how many from COMNEBOL. I have a hunch that we won't see any superiority of COMNEBOL that supposedly should be there (since they're stronger lol).
Little hint for Sithara007: 13 places for Europe and 2 for COMNEBOL.

As i say:
1.Europe
2...
3...
4...
5...all others

The bolded part of you quoting me hopefully sufficiently summarizes what you then put into words again. Actually, my part points the dominance even more out than your post as 1 : 8 is 12.5% for CONMEBOL while 2 : 13 is 15.4% for CONMEBOL.

Still I think that the variance is still quite huge. Now it's true that Europe is dominant, but at times the dominant number of Europe having 29 appearances in the final doesn't sometimes quite reflect how close many of the games actually were. In the semi finals of 2006, who would actually blindly ever guess that Brazil faced Turkey and Germany faced South Korea and both games were decided by a single goal.

I think that in soccer there is sometimes more variance in the game than in tennis, for example. But this is a discussion that could go on forever.

As far as the statistics currently go, you are right in so far as if someone had to bet his or her life on the World Cup winner coming either from CONMEBOL or UEFA, one should of course bet on UEFA. But if it's all about a single team, lots of people would have said "France" last year and would have lost, even more so if they had the choice to choose between Argentina and France after the first group stage game! Tongue

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Quote from: shogun47 on February 03, 2023, 03:55:36 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 03, 2023, 12:04:50 PM

You write incredible nonsense, sorry. Argentina is much stronger than France? That is why it could only win in the penalty shootout (twice in the tournament lol). And in any case, I'm not talking about single results - I suggest you look at more extensive statistics. Statistically, Europe is above all. And only then in the basement COMNEBOL is better than other regions, but this is only a struggle between the weak, nothing more.

Argentina isn't any stronger than France. But generally speaking, I would say that it is more or less even when you look at the total World Cup titles won between the two associations. It is 12 for UEFA and 10 for CONMEBOL. That's not really indicating any statistically significant advantages of one association over the other considering the full history. You could argue though that recently, like the 20 years before the Qatar World Cup, Europe pretty heavily dominated the World Cups. in 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2018 there was just one single CONMEBOL team reaching the final (which was Argentina in 2014 against Germany). But to be fair the 2014 final could have gone either way as much as the 2022 final could have gone either way.

I would say that the history is even too short to actually draw some serious conclusions when it comes to World Cup winners. Five finals since 1994 ended with additional extra time three of which ended in a penalty shootout. I think that it's usually not the case that there is one overwhelming favorite. I guess nobody expected Argentina to win this World Cup after starting with a loss against Saudi Arabia! Wink

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12 vs 10 titles?
12+10=22
22x4=88
Do you want to discuss a period of 88 years? Cheesy

I think the easiest thing is to take the last 5 championships (20 years is one or two generations at most) and see how many teams from Europe were in the top three and how many from COMNEBOL. I have a hunch that we won't see any superiority of COMNEBOL that supposedly should be there (since they're stronger lol).
Little hint for Sithara007: 13 places for Europe and 2 for COMNEBOL.

As i say:
1.Europe
2...
3...
4...
5...all others

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 03, 2023, 12:04:50 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 02, 2023, 11:05:15 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 02, 2023, 03:37:02 PM

Are you constantly posting this to troll? The superiority of the European region is undeniable. First comes Europe and then a few floors below the rest of the regions. Look at the statistics for probably any period (adequate and not "50 years ago") and you will see that Europe dominates. This is a statistical fact and not a matter of personal preference.

The two strongest teams in Qatar 2022 were Argentina and Brazil. No one will deny that. All the other teams (including European teams such as France and Spain) would rank much below them. I agree that France managed to reach the finals, but they were lucky to avoid good opponents during the knockout phase. And one more thing. European teams perform well only when the tournaments are staged in Europe. This time the tournament was being held in Qatar, and teams such as Germany and Belgium had a horrible run.

You write incredible nonsense, sorry. Argentina is much stronger than France? That is why it could only win in the penalty shootout (twice in the tournament lol). And in any case, I'm not talking about single results - I suggest you look at more extensive statistics. Statistically, Europe is above all. And only then in the basement COMNEBOL is better than other regions, but this is only a struggle between the weak, nothing more.

Argentina isn't any stronger than France. But generally speaking, I would say that it is more or less even when you look at the total World Cup titles won between the two associations. It is 12 for UEFA and 10 for CONMEBOL. That's not really indicating any statistically significant advantages of one association over the other considering the full history. You could argue though that recently, like the 20 years before the Qatar World Cup, Europe pretty heavily dominated the World Cups. in 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2018 there was just one single CONMEBOL team reaching the final (which was Argentina in 2014 against Germany). But to be fair the 2014 final could have gone either way as much as the 2022 final could have gone either way.

I would say that the history is even too short to actually draw some serious conclusions when it comes to World Cup winners. Five finals since 1994 ended with additional extra time three of which ended in a penalty shootout. I think that it's usually not the case that there is one overwhelming favorite. I guess nobody expected Argentina to win this World Cup after starting with a loss against Saudi Arabia! Wink

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Quote from: FatFork on February 03, 2023, 10:18:58 AM

Quote from: mm2543363580 on February 03, 2023, 09:57:17 AM

Argentina is definitely strongest of all but this time Brazil were really unlucky as they were knocked out by Croatia in quarter-finals in penalty shootout.

So, according to you, Brazil was unlucky for losing in a semi-final penalty shootout, but at the same time, Argentina is the strongest for winning the final, also in a penalty shootout? That's absurd!

Talking about the past Qatar world cup. the wind of fortune blows strong for Argentina. not infrequently, in every game Argentina always gets a penalty. in fact, Argentina does not have a depth of players that are too good and shining, with the exception of Messi and D Maria. instead, Argentina lost far when referring based on the depth of the team owned by France and England. it's just that, the Argentinian players have very solid teamwork plus a bit of luck and that's what brought them to be champions.

while Brazil, should have been in the world cup yesterday Brazil is a team that has privileges with its players. it's a shame, Tite prefers players he likes. whereas, there is a senior player who is better than Richarlison namely, Firmino. plus, playing players who are not at their best and one of them is Raphina, even though, Martinelli is very reliable. but, that's football. that a good team in terms of player depth, the talents of each individual, especially skills, may not necessarily be able to win a championship.

So, in the 2026 world cup later. we don't have any idea yet, who will be the favorites to become the champion candidate.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 02, 2023, 11:05:15 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 02, 2023, 03:37:02 PM

Are you constantly posting this to troll? The superiority of the European region is undeniable. First comes Europe and then a few floors below the rest of the regions. Look at the statistics for probably any period (adequate and not "50 years ago") and you will see that Europe dominates. This is a statistical fact and not a matter of personal preference.

The two strongest teams in Qatar 2022 were Argentina and Brazil. No one will deny that. All the other teams (including European teams such as France and Spain) would rank much below them. I agree that France managed to reach the finals, but they were lucky to avoid good opponents during the knockout phase. And one more thing. European teams perform well only when the tournaments are staged in Europe. This time the tournament was being held in Qatar, and teams such as Germany and Belgium had a horrible run.

You write incredible nonsense, sorry. Argentina is much stronger than France? That is why it could only win in the penalty shootout (twice in the tournament lol). And in any case, I'm not talking about single results - I suggest you look at more extensive statistics. Statistically, Europe is above all. And only then in the basement COMNEBOL is better than other regions, but this is only a struggle between the weak, nothing more.

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Quote from: FatFork on February 03, 2023, 10:18:58 AM

Quote from: mm2543363580 on February 03, 2023, 09:57:17 AM

Argentina is definitely strongest of all but this time Brazil were really unlucky as they were knocked out by Croatia in quarter-finals in penalty shootout.

So, according to you, Brazil was unlucky for losing in a semi-final penalty shootout, but at the same time, Argentina is the strongest for winning the final, also in a penalty shootout? That's absurd!

Quote from: mm2543363580 on February 03, 2023, 09:57:17 AM

And Belgium didn't even made it to quarter-finals.

And Italy didn't even qualify for WC 2022. But that doesn't mean it's a weak team.

Many good teams who were able to perform well in the previous World Cup did not qualify for this World Cup. But it is expected that the rest of the teams will be well prepared for the next World Cup.

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isn't it a bit too early to start a thread about the next world cup? it's 4 years away

Brazil will face Argentina in the finals, craziest game ever ending 2x1 for Brazil with a goal in the last 5 minutes.

tuff story

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do we already know where the world cup will take place?

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on February 03, 2023, 09:57:17 AM

Argentina is definitely strongest of all but this time Brazil were really unlucky as they were knocked out by Croatia in quarter-finals in penalty shootout.

So, according to you, Brazil was unlucky for losing in a semi-final penalty shootout, but at the same time, Argentina is the strongest for winning the final, also in a penalty shootout? That's absurd!

Quote from: mm2543363580 on February 03, 2023, 09:57:17 AM

And Belgium didn't even made it to quarter-finals.

And Italy didn't even qualify for WC 2022. But that doesn't mean it's a weak team.

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Quote from: FatFork on February 03, 2023, 05:20:43 AM

Quote from: slackovic on February 03, 2023, 03:25:53 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 02, 2023, 11:05:15 PM

The two strongest teams in Qatar 2022 were Argentina and Brazil. No one will deny that. All the other teams (including European teams such as France and Spain) would rank much below them. I agree that France managed to reach the finals, but they were lucky to avoid good opponents during the knockout phase. And one more thing. European teams perform well only when the tournaments are staged in Europe. This time the tournament was being held in Qatar, and teams such as Germany and Belgium had a horrible run.

You do know that Brazil was kicked out of the World Cup in quarterfinal game by Croatia? I'm not saying that Croatia has a better team than Brazil, but saying that Brazil was one of the two strongest teams in the World Cup is ridiculous. Your other statement that France managed to get to the finals by avoiding good opponents goes into the same category. They beat England in the quarterfinal and you are saying that they avoided good opponents? England isn't a good opponent?

He is probably referring to the FIFA World Rankings table post-World Cup in Qatar, where Brazil and Argentina hold the top two spots, making them the two highest-ranked teams in the world.

As for the second part of his statement about France and the European teams, I fully agree that it's ridiculous. Luck does indeed have a role in these competitions, but suggesting that a team had better luck in facing a specific opponent in the knockout phase is irrelevant. In the same vein, one could argue that Argentina was lucky in the final as they defeated France only through penalty kicks and not through regular play. Furthermore, there hasn't been a World Cup without at least one European team in the final since 1950.

Fifa world ranking Is bit contradictory to recent wrd Cup performances , may be they ranked according to overall performances . Argentina is definitely strongest of all but this time Brazil were really unlucky as they were knocked out by Croatia in quarter-finals in penalty shootout. And Belgium didn't even made it to quarter-finals.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on February 03, 2023, 06:07:25 AM

I think the list is about right with the balance of powers at issue at the moment. But the Netherlands was the worst of all teams together with Belgium. Belgium has had its golden age and now a new batch will be ready to take over. Brazil has often been number 1 in the ranking together with France for years, but has not won anything for a long time. Croatia actually did very well, a final in 2018 and a semi-final in Qatar. And eventually finished 3rd. For England it is still not possible to win a major prize. Maybe at the upcoming championships.

I will count England also not so good, maybe they can be in the European Cup final but I see it is not that impressive and the worst thing is that fourth place Belgium has not shown any achievements and it is quite disappointing, the most impressive are Croatia quite stable even though they have never won any throphy, but for the next World Cup will show another impressive? still be awaited.

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I think the list is about right with the balance of powers at issue at the moment. But the Netherlands was the worst of all teams together with Belgium. Belgium has had its golden age and now a new batch will be ready to take over. Brazil has often been number 1 in the ranking together with France for years, but has not won anything for a long time. Croatia actually did very well, a final in 2018 and a semi-final in Qatar. And eventually finished 3rd. For England it is still not possible to win a major prize. Maybe at the upcoming championships.

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Quote from: slackovic on February 03, 2023, 03:25:53 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 02, 2023, 11:05:15 PM

The two strongest teams in Qatar 2022 were Argentina and Brazil. No one will deny that. All the other teams (including European teams such as France and Spain) would rank much below them. I agree that France managed to reach the finals, but they were lucky to avoid good opponents during the knockout phase. And one more thing. European teams perform well only when the tournaments are staged in Europe. This time the tournament was being held in Qatar, and teams such as Germany and Belgium had a horrible run.

You do know that Brazil was kicked out of the World Cup in quarterfinal game by Croatia? I'm not saying that Croatia has a better team than Brazil, but saying that Brazil was one of the two strongest teams in the World Cup is ridiculous. Your other statement that France managed to get to the finals by avoiding good opponents goes into the same category. They beat England in the quarterfinal and you are saying that they avoided good opponents? England isn't a good opponent?

He is probably referring to the FIFA World Rankings table post-World Cup in Qatar, where Brazil and Argentina hold the top two spots, making them the two highest-ranked teams in the world.

As for the second part of his statement about France and the European teams, I fully agree that it's ridiculous. Luck does indeed have a role in these competitions, but suggesting that a team had better luck in facing a specific opponent in the knockout phase is irrelevant. In the same vein, one could argue that Argentina was lucky in the final as they defeated France only through penalty kicks and not through regular play. Furthermore, there hasn't been a World Cup without at least one European team in the final since 1950.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 02, 2023, 11:05:15 PM

The two strongest teams in Qatar 2022 were Argentina and Brazil. No one will deny that. All the other teams (including European teams such as France and Spain) would rank much below them. I agree that France managed to reach the finals, but they were lucky to avoid good opponents during the knockout phase. And one more thing. European teams perform well only when the tournaments are staged in Europe. This time the tournament was being held in Qatar, and teams such as Germany and Belgium had a horrible run.

You do know that Brazil was kicked out of the World Cup in quarterfinal game by Croatia? I'm not saying that Croatia has a better team than Brazil, but saying that Brazil was one of the two strongest teams in the World Cup is ridiculous. Your other statement that France managed to get to the finals by avoiding good opponents goes into the same category. They beat England in the quarterfinal and you are saying that they avoided good opponents? England isn't a good opponent?

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