Topic: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread - page 43. (Read 68958 times)

Yes we can not do anything after all this happened and it was a hard blow to us with a controversial referee's decision, we only waited for the results of the match from China, if we could get a victory it would get a better position, but China also did not It can be underestimated they have an extraordinary power to dominate the match, I hope the Garuda Indonesia squad can pass the World Cup, we really expect from the current season.

It will be quite difficult to win the remaining matches for Indonesia. but good progress is shown from the 3 matches that have been played. all ended in a draw and maybe this result is also good.
They also have not faced Japan who are currently undefeated and have not even conceded a goal. the opportunity will still be there, but we also have to see the competition and points obtained by other countries.

I think Australia is still favored with Japan to qualify. and other countries will compete for positions 3 and 4. I think an opportunity for Indonesia and Saudi Arabia to get that place.

A big boost sounds like a huge exaggeration to me considering that they have only few points and they haven't beaten a big team. It was Chile and maybe we should add that without that last minute goal, this game would have ended in a draw. If that is what people call a boost then I don't know. The Brazilians want to see a dominating Brazil team and not all of these close victories that suggest there are two equal teams playing against each other. Brazil was a huge name in the world of football and they can't justify that reputation for a while now.

Anyone read the interview given by the president of Brazil? He said they should stop recruiting players from abroad and only consider players who are playing in the domestic league as they are no worse than anyone else in the world. It is an absurd idea, but I think I believe where he is coming from. Players like Vinicius Junior and Neymar had been spoilt before their career really began. Too much money and then when they play for their home countries, it is all good and fine, but often times they lack the passion.

Not only you, I think all Indonesian people are disappointed with the referee's decision in the match against Bahrain, because currently they have great hopes and opportunities to see Indonesia play in the World Cup 2026, but indeed the referee decision that is very detrimental for Indonesia  and I think should be considered by the AFC to be able to pay attention to the quality and neutrality of a referee in leading a football next match.
Indonesia is currently in Group C with Japan, Australia, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and China and their position is ranked 5th with 3 points from 3 matches, I think Indonesia chances are still very wide open because they are only 1 point behind Australia, Bahrain and Arabia at the moment, so indeed to keep their chances big, of course they must get 3 points when facing China later,in addition, Indonesia must be able to take advantage of every remaining match (4 Home and 3 away)  with win.

Brazilian performance and their squad is currently most talked thing around soccer community with this win is surely big boost for them because poor performance and now having injuries issues bringing problems for them but still things are good for them to have spot into World Cup 2026 as they are now at the fourth spot into their group and their next game is against Peru which is at the bottom without have any win this will be also won for them and keeping them at save spot.

Too much talk about coach of Brazilian team Dorival Jr as he is doing decent job with this team because their performance is had some improvement even still they are not at the top and have chance of winning title, but things are taking positive move which is good for the Brazilian soccer good future which is under talk due to many internal issues.

Indonesia must win over China to keep their chances of qualifying for the 2026 World Cup. I heard news that the referee who will officiate the match is also from the Middle East. This is a problem because I think even though the referee is not from Bahrain but they are part of the Arab League or whatever. If China wins the match then it will not threaten Bahrain's position. But if Indonesia wins it will be a problem for Bahrain because they are not necessarily going to win against Saudi Arabia.

I was really disappointed with the referee in yesterday's match. He seemed to wait and give Bahrain a chance to score a goal then end the match. I want to see if Bahrain can do the same when they play in Indonesia next year. It seems like we agree that the draw against Saudi Arabia and Australia was obtained fairly. But not with how Bahrain got 1 point from Indonesia.

It is true that the opportunity is still wide open for Indonesia in this 3rd round, at least the results achieved against China, Indonesia must get 3 points in order to climb to 2nd position in the standings temporarily, because we know that Bahrain and Saudi Arabia will draw and Japan can at least win over Australia.

Regardless of the controversial referee's decision and being too biased towards Bahrain, then we will just wait when Bahrain will be away to the Gelora Bung Karno Main Stadium whether they will be safe playing there or will see the satire of the choreography of Indonesian supporters then we will just see on 25/03/2025.

Nah trust me, you're not special lol A lot of people don't think Brazil should be there. I have no particular feelings but at the end of the day, the table's not gonna lie.

If you qualify because of your league position, you deserve to be there. If you barely make it, you barely deserve to be there.

Who should take their place? Which team below them is better at football and will ne less humiliating?

I do agree better to focus on 2030 and forget about winning this one, but I don't know about not deserving to be in 2026.

Yes, all the less than satisfactory results from the matches that have been played will be able to provide learning and also motivation to all players to be able to perform better later when Indonesia plays at home, this is also an opportunity for Indonesia to be able to beat Bahrain more absolutely.
Previously, Bahrain had also received controversy due to several incidents carried out by supporters when they faced Japan and now it has happened again in the match against Indonesia with several ridiculous things that should not have been done, but this is football and also competition where there are always things beyond reason that will happen.
However, Indonesia does not need to worry because there are still many opportunities and of course all hopes can still be had for Indonesian fans to see their country compete in the 2026 World Cup, I think for the group C only Japan is difficult team to match and for several other team I believe they can still be mainstay for Indonesia to continue to get points from each match.

At this time there is no point in regretting the last match because no matter how Indonesia continue to protests, of course, it will not change the result of the match, I see that actually the referee's decision may not have had an impact on Indonesia's victory when if Witan had not wasted some of the opportunities that existed when he counterattacked and if he had not been in possession of the ball for the longest time by directly passing to Marselino,  I think we will see different results at this time regardless of the referee support for Bahrain in the match, now of course Indonesia main focus is to face China, although they look weaker on paper but Indonesia should not underestimate China which has a high spirit in playing, looking at the comparison of the two teams at this time, it is likely that Indonesia will get points of course wide open because of China position at the bottom of the standings now,meanwhile, if we talk about the possibilities that happen in other teams, I agree with you because indeed football today no longer seems to be fair play and insiders often determine the final result, but even so, Indonesia must remain focused on getting 3 points in the next match.

I am sure they can maintain their mentality very well, even this very disappointing result can be a motivation for them to be more effective. I think it will be a different story when they can take advantage of the opportunities that occur in extra time, and if it can be used as a goal then it will be a game killer. Indeed, in football you cannot expect to get the fairest justice, sometimes that factor makes the results not in accordance with expectations. I even saw an official post from Bahrain noting that the goal they created occurred in the 90+6 minute, it was very funny. This is a lesson for Indonesia that when they have improved there are things that will bother them.

Yes, Indonesia Team must focus on the next match versus China, when I look on paper, Indonesia is look more powerful to defeat china on their home. But, Indonesia team must not be careless because many factors china can win or make draw the match like supporters or players ambition to rise from the bottom board. At the moment, china don't have point yet, still 0, which I think the player have motivation to get at least 1 point to face the shamed from their fans. So, if Indonesia win, they can fix their position at least to 2nd position if Japan wins vs Australia, and Bahrain draws versus Saudi. But, we know Bahrain have backing or insider on AFC, that maybe they can win versus Saudi, so that situation 3rd position can be realistic for Indonesian position on stand.

by the way, I just won Peru vs Uruguay a while ago,  this is insane when I look at how darwin nunez Is getting hard to pierce Peru defender

I'm pretty sure that's what the captain said in one of the interviews. He said in football you can't expect fairness to win you the game, so they need to move on and prepare for the next match asap. I think the chance for them to go to the next round is still high anyway since they will face Bahrain again in Jakarta. Who knows maybe they'll get another 3 points from Australia or Arab too, or steal another point and finish with 10 points or so. It's still too early for them to give up.

Some indonesian people are considers the referee has been stole their victory this because during the match the referee has been make several controversial decision for Indonesia besides that i have watching Bahrain players always be provoke Indonesian players and always be over reacted when Indonesa did foul to them and indeed the most controversial decision for this match is when stoppage time is too long until reach to 9 minutes which this is unacceptable

However regardless all of the referee decision but Indonesia can't do anything because in fact they only can playing draw from Bahrain but i think Indonesian players should be forget this result and focus for upcoming match against China and so far China is the weakest team in group C because until 3 matches they still unable to collect points and hopefully this time Indonesia can beat China and gets 3 points from this match

I think is not all that simple to identify an exact point in time as the beginning of their decline. Frankly, only counting titles would not be appropriate as winning it is incredibly hard. Back in 2010 the Netherlands played an incredible game and their team was impressive with Snijder and Robben and van Persie, etc. In other words, it is fine when you lose a game against such a high quality team. It can happen to anyone, Brazil included of course. But the 7-1 against Germany was a shocker for me.

You could of course go back so far and mention 2006 as well, but France has indeed been a very good team, too. But the decline that you could now recently observe is taking place on a different level. They can barely beat the South American underdogs. If it wasn't for so many ranks to qualify from South America for the World Cup, I would still be hesitant to say that they will make it. Now with these conditions they will make it, but they are not playing like any Brazilian team from the past. They are losing more than 50% of their games and without disrespect towards all of those great South American players, Brazil has been above anyone else along with Argentina for a very long time.

But as always when the real games are around the corner, I still think that Brazil is able to beat a lot of other teams when they are in good form.

Whenever there are games involving national teams, the number of players who suffer injuries increases. Unfortunately, FIFA seems to ignore this. Today I read news that says Valentin Carboni suffered an injury.

Valentín Carboni Suffered Serious Injury with Argentina National Team


source: https://www.footboom1.com/en/news/football/1922165-valentin-carboni-suffered-serious-injury-with-argentina-national-team

Well, FIFA needs to start thinking about organizing a calendar that doesn't put the players under too much pressure, because with so many competitions, the players end up suffering a lot from injuries and consequently the teams are harmed. The Argentine national team is starting to have problems in the squad in terms of quality, many high quality Argentine players are retiring or have already retired and the current Argentine coach has not been putting certain players like Paulo Dybala, so I see Argentina falling in performance in the near future when Messi retires.

2014 world cup at home was really the peak of brazilian soccer decadence personified on the match they lost by 7x1 against Germany. However, the decline started in the world cup of 2006. Brazil was the favorite, but failed to manage beating France on quarter finals, if I remember correctly, with the goal of Thierry Henry.

From that world cup on, everything has fallen apart for Brazil in soccer. Even Neymar, idolized by a vast number of fans globally, wasn't enough for Brazil to retrieve its glory.

A new composition is needed in brazilian national team. To start playing as a squad and to stop idolizing one player or another should be the first step. The reinforcements yesterday from Botafogo was decisive for the victory against Chile. And both Botafogo' players, Igor Jesus and Luiz Henrique, were unknown players for majority of the public.

I'm pretty sure there are others like them. It's the objective of the scout team to find them, just like Botafogo is doing, and adding great value to the club's performance.

3 minutes in Bahrain's favor and it made me disappointed when Bahrain managed to equalize then the Referee blew the whistle, and the match should have been finished in the 96th minute but instead it stopped in the 99th minute, this is the bad behavior of this match, and now Bahrain's victory is controversial many suspect it was deliberate and Indonesia seriously states that this match is not fair, we should now be in second place in the group but it was thwarted by the referee who was inconsistent with the extra time given before.

The funny math going on right now is 90+6=99.

I believe the first really big wake up call was when Brazil got destroyed when they hosted the World Cup in 2014 against Germany. I don't know the data, but it must have been the worst defeat in decades for them? Losing a game 7-1 when you host the World Cup as the biggest football nation of all times is like red alert.

I don't know whether Ronaldinho could have won them anything in 2010, especially as Spain was on a level of their own. But still the game against the Netherlands, the final opponent for Spain, was in great shape too. But it were the small things back then and when Brazil got the red card, it was pretty much game over.

Now I think what is concerning is that playing bad is not an exception anymore for Brazil. They have won the game now and they will get away with it and qualify for sure, but 13 points after 9 games? That's brutal and I understand every Brazilian fan to be frustrated. They still have some of the greatest players in the world and yet they can't put a functioning squad together.

There may be some people who feel unacceptable because many of the national team players are filled with diaspora players, so it becomes a debate. However, the Indonesian national team is not entirely filled with diaspora players, and this shows that Shin Tae-young has a balance in choosing players. So apart from relying on diaspora players, he also gives opportunities to local players who do have potential and ability. This shows that Shin Tae-young's main goal is to strengthen the national team, trying to utilize the best talents, regardless of where they come from.

And further in the Asian zone World Cup qualifying event group c, Indonesia has never experienced defeat. And when we watched yesterday's match when the Indonesian national team played against Bahrain. Although Indonesia has a bad history when playing against Bahrain, where Indonesia lost 10-0 to Bahrain at that time. But in yesterday's match, the young Garuda played quite well and managed to match Bahrain's game. in the match Indonesia should have come out as the winner, but because in the match there were several controversial referee decisions, in the end the match ended in a draw.

In a few days Indonesia will face China, and I believe Indonesia will win 3 points, even though they are playing away.