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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on July 23, 2024, 02:30:32 PM

Quote from: el kaka22 on July 23, 2024, 12:38:12 PM

I mean doesn't it make sense for Argentina to lead the world? They won 2 Copa Americas back to back, and in between they won the world cup. France won one world cup six years ago, and failed to win euro 2020 and 2024 as well, so what did they win to make them be the first? I think it's quite clear that we are going to see Argentina be much better ranked than France, hell even England had more "success" recently, two finals at euro, more than what France did, just not that good at world cup, which makes them stay lower I suppose.

Interestingly it's been feeling like Argentina aren't that successful. But in reality the situation is the opposite. Grin

Especially that World Cup title has made a huge impact on Argentina to climb places in FIFA Men's Ranking to top. Messi has really achieved all the things he can at the same time, even more than one of each - except the World Cup.

In my opinion, France needs to get rid of Deschamps. His game is so boring to watch, just as Southgate's was. Now Southgate has left England and I would like to see the same action from Deschamps if possible. Tongue

You cannot compare Deschamps and Southgate in terms of achievements. If Southgate has achieved half of what Deschamps has achieved I don't think he would have lost his job. Sometimes the thrist for success makes to forget how far and how much we have accomplished. France were former world champion under Deschamps. He led them to another world cup finals which they eventually lost to Argentina in penalty shootout. Again they got to euros semi finals and lost to Spain who were demolishing every team on their path to glory. I don't see how Deschamps is a problem to the French national team. Let's give the man some credit, you might call his football boring but he is achieving results from it. France is doing well under Deschamps. England Fa wouldn't have sacked Southgate if he had delivered a trophy.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 24, 2024, 03:15:51 AM

Woah 257 pages on this and the tournament doesn’t start for 2 years. I guess we have qualifying to discuss though. It’s difficult to discuss who might win it because so much can change in two years. You would assume the usual suspects will have no problem qualifying though so we can still talk about who might win it.

Spain are a young team coming off the back of winning the Euros, they will be a force. Argentina are always there, will Messi still be playing though, at his age retirement must he close. Maybe this is his swan song and imagine going out after winning a second World Cup. The GOAT discussions would he over.

You would think so, but when you look at the South American qualifiers for the World Cup, you will notice how bad Brazil is running there at the moment. So far they have only got 7 points out of 6 games and the next two games they will have their back against the wall. It is against Ecuador and Paraguay and if they don't win at least one of those two games, they will find themselves probably in the last remaining play-off spot in that group, which means no instant qualification, but play-off games against a team from another zone.

Brazil isn't able to play consistently on a high level at the moment and that was probably the reason why Ancelotti backed down when there was some talk about him taking over the Brazilian team. It still looks as if Brazil would never mess that up, but I remember checking the results and they got into the mess deeper and deeper. After all there are 18 games to go though as it is 10 teams and two legs per matchup.

One of the problems I think could be that Brazil still hasn't realized how dangerous the spot is that they are in. They still have this superior feeling that they can't fail to qualify. They won the first two qualifier games and then lost three games and tied one game.

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Woah 257 pages on this and the tournament doesn’t start for 2 years. I guess we have qualifying to discuss though. It’s difficult to discuss who might win it because so much can change in two years. You would assume the usual suspects will have no problem qualifying though so we can still talk about who might win it.

Spain are a young team coming off the back of winning the Euros, they will be a force. Argentina are always there, will Messi still be playing though, at his age retirement must he close. Maybe this is his swan song and imagine going out after winning a second World Cup. The GOAT discussions would he over.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 23, 2024, 06:52:04 PM

I think Messi is not tired yet, and if everything goes well like this for this player we can see even Messi playing in the 2026 World Cup for Argentina and this won't be surprising for us because he helped his team a lot in the last World Cup when won the title of this tournament.
I think regardless of age, Messi is a true leader for Argentina and he can even start helping the younger players and this can be another advantage of having Messi in the team for Argentina.

I have posted this previously. Will post again - Messi has a lot to lose, and nothing to gain if he takes part in the 2026 FIFA World Cup as a player. And recently he suffered a serious ankle injury during the Copa America final (while playing against Colombia). Although Argentina won that match (as a result of a goal from Lautaro Martínez during extra time), Messi was forced out due to injury. I am not sure whether his health and fitness will allow him to play for another two years.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on July 23, 2024, 02:30:32 PM

Quote from: el kaka22 on July 23, 2024, 12:38:12 PM

I mean doesn't it make sense for Argentina to lead the world? They won 2 Copa Americas back to back, and in between they won the world cup. France won one world cup six years ago, and failed to win euro 2020 and 2024 as well, so what did they win to make them be the first? I think it's quite clear that we are going to see Argentina be much better ranked than France, hell even England had more "success" recently, two finals at euro, more than what France did, just not that good at world cup, which makes them stay lower I suppose.

Interestingly it's been feeling like Argentina aren't that successful. But in reality the situation is the opposite. Grin

Especially that World Cup title has made a huge impact on Argentina to climb places in FIFA Men's Ranking to top. Messi has really achieved all the things he can at the same time, even more than one of each - except the World Cup.

In my opinion, France needs to get rid of Deschamps. His game is so boring to watch, just as Southgate's was. Now Southgate has left England and I would like to see the same action from Deschamps if possible. Tongue

I think Messi is not tired yet, and if everything goes well like this for this player we can see even Messi playing in the 2026 World Cup for Argentina and this won't be surprising for us because he helped his team a lot in the last World Cup when won the title of this tournament.
I think regardless of age, Messi is a true leader for Argentina and he can even start helping the younger players and this can be another advantage of having Messi in the team for Argentina.

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Quote from: Jaycoinz on July 23, 2024, 03:25:07 PM

For France, I think there is problem somewhere because this is certainly not the french team that gave Argentina the scare of their life during the FIFA world cup finals and even the finalists that played with Portugal. I feel France problem is that they are actually missing someone very strong that can spread the ball so well like Paul Pogba because I remember the same french were very enjoyable to watch but for this Euro's competition they were completely poor and not interesting at all.

Tables turn. It's not always juicy every time and that further exemplify the fact that they must continue to struggle hard to maintain their tempo at every season of the tournament else others will take charge. France really needs to work more on their squad and improve on the depth performance. Someone like Paul Pogba used to be instrumental in their game perticipation

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on July 23, 2024, 02:30:32 PM

Quote from: el kaka22 on July 23, 2024, 12:38:12 PM

I mean doesn't it make sense for Argentina to lead the world? They won 2 Copa Americas back to back, and in between they won the world cup. France won one world cup six years ago, and failed to win euro 2020 and 2024 as well, so what did they win to make them be the first? I think it's quite clear that we are going to see Argentina be much better ranked than France, hell even England had more "success" recently, two finals at euro, more than what France did, just not that good at world cup, which makes them stay lower I suppose.

Interestingly it's been feeling like Argentina aren't that successful. But in reality the situation is the opposite. Grin

Especially that World Cup title has made a huge impact on Argentina to climb places in FIFA Men's Ranking to top. Messi has really achieved all the things he can at the same time, even more than one of each - except the World Cup.

In my opinion, France needs to get rid of Deschamps. His game is so boring to watch, just as Southgate's was. Now Southgate has left England and I would like to see the same action from Deschamps if possible. Tongue

For France, I think there is problem somewhere because this is certainly not the french team that gave Argentina the scare of their life during the FIFA world cup finals and even the finalists that played with Portugal. I feel France problem is that they are actually missing someone very strong that can spread the ball so well like Paul Pogba because I remember the same french were very enjoyable to watch but for this Euro's competition they were completely poor and not interesting at all.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on July 23, 2024, 12:38:12 PM

I mean doesn't it make sense for Argentina to lead the world? They won 2 Copa Americas back to back, and in between they won the world cup. France won one world cup six years ago, and failed to win euro 2020 and 2024 as well, so what did they win to make them be the first? I think it's quite clear that we are going to see Argentina be much better ranked than France, hell even England had more "success" recently, two finals at euro, more than what France did, just not that good at world cup, which makes them stay lower I suppose.

Except I'm missing something, Argentina are top of the rankings, aren't they? They won the Copa, then the world cup and won the Copa again. That has earned them the top spot in the ranking. France are second and I believe they deserve that. I agree that France have been bad in the Euros but don't forget that they got to the final of the world cup, that's got to count for something. And they also have been winning their games too. The world cup and Euro are not the only things they use to determine the rankings.

Quote from: el kaka22 on July 23, 2024, 12:38:12 PM

In fact, Belgium being that high is the one that makes the least sense, they haven't been good for a long time, what are they using to calculate this? They should realize that Belgium hasn't had any success for many years, and even with KDB and all, they are still not a good team, haven't done anything good for a long time. I believe that this rank is a little weird,

What has Brazil got achieved in recent years? The countries behind Belgium, how successful have they been I recent years? Only Italy where successful enough to win the Euros recently but they are a very inconsistent side and they're barely in the top 10. It's not just about trophies won, but the amount of games they have won. Points are added and subtracted using a model and I believe it's accurate.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on July 23, 2024, 12:38:12 PM

I mean doesn't it make sense for Argentina to lead the world? They won 2 Copa Americas back to back, and in between they won the world cup. France won one world cup six years ago, and failed to win euro 2020 and 2024 as well, so what did they win to make them be the first? I think it's quite clear that we are going to see Argentina be much better ranked than France, hell even England had more "success" recently, two finals at euro, more than what France did, just not that good at world cup, which makes them stay lower I suppose.

Interestingly it's been feeling like Argentina aren't that successful. But in reality the situation is the opposite. Grin

Especially that World Cup title has made a huge impact on Argentina to climb places in FIFA Men's Ranking to top. Messi has really achieved all the things he can at the same time, even more than one of each - except the World Cup.

In my opinion, France needs to get rid of Deschamps. His game is so boring to watch, just as Southgate's was. Now Southgate has left England and I would like to see the same action from Deschamps if possible. Tongue

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Brazilian soccer is having things gone opposite side with there is no positive news are coming right now for them because their performance is having huge decline, and they are unable to fix things which are needed to be done for the improvement now they are having 5th spot in FIFA ranking which is clearly giving all things about them in last few years even they are still having few top quality players.

Football has been played mechanically for too long. Coaches like Pep Guardiola have removed football from being a visual feast. Brazilian footballers are known for their beautiful samba-inspired football. But world football is now played on a more mechanical level. I think this is one of the easiest ways to explain the failure of the Brazilian national team in recent years. Lately, Spain and Argentina are among the best teams in world football. But I think the Germans could also be in this list if they catch a good generation.

You believe that football has become more mechanical in recent times and most possibly reason due to the influence of the coaches like Pep Guardiola ? I think that Historically it is the Brazilian football that has been celebrated for its flair and creativity (samba inspired football). Also i can speculate that Germany could also reclaim its status among the world's best teams if they develop a talented generation of players who can technical proficiency along with the creative football skills.

The Brazilians are fading away from football gradually, and Germany has good records in football which I might say that they are among the country that the or football is improving with passage of time. It will be good if they can surprise the world in the next world cup because they have a good squad.

What they need is for the players to continue playing together to tighten the bond in order for them to bring out a superb performance. However, they still need to improve their performance to be the best.

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I mean doesn't it make sense for Argentina to lead the world? They won 2 Copa Americas back to back, and in between they won the world cup. France won one world cup six years ago, and failed to win euro 2020 and 2024 as well, so what did they win to make them be the first? I think it's quite clear that we are going to see Argentina be much better ranked than France, hell even England had more "success" recently, two finals at euro, more than what France did, just not that good at world cup, which makes them stay lower I suppose.

In fact, Belgium being that high is the one that makes the least sense, they haven't been good for a long time, what are they using to calculate this? They should realize that Belgium hasn't had any success for many years, and even with KDB and all, they are still not a good team, haven't done anything good for a long time. I believe that this rank is a little weird, but at the same time I think it's good that Argentina is at the top, I would put them there too, winning three out of three competitions in the recent years is the most important aspect to calculate. Italy won too, previous one, and still under Belgium, which is funny to me, but I guess we will never know.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on July 23, 2024, 05:32:43 AM

A coach makes a lot of difference, it can change everything, this reminds me of the Argentine team itself during the 1998/2002 world cup cycles, that team I considered one of the best Argentine teams of all time, there was Batistuta, Veron , Claudio Lopez, Samuel, Crespo, Zanetti, Ortega, that is, several of the best players in the history of Argentine football, but they were unable to do well in any World Cup, possibly due to the coach's tactical style and definitions. If Argentina maintains its standard of play, it will be the big favorite for the 2026 World Cup along with Spain.

I agree with this point because having big players have never been guaranteed to win cups we also need team have good mentor which give them good training and all things which they needed for having wins against opponents as you mentioned without any doubt this was one of the best Argentina team of all time, but they fail to have desired results currently we are having same problem for the Brazil which is having good names, but things are not going as they needed.

Just Brazil is not suffering we are also having few other teams which are suffering due to things like these so its never been easy we have best coach and best players at the same time, but current Argentinian side is surely having huge advantage due to this combo which is giving them success in all events hopefully they will be able to keep things on better level.

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WOW... Argentina is still leading the FIFA rankings. I thought France was in first place or Spain but in fact Argentina is still first, looking at the quality of the players and the mentality of the individuals, everyone still has a strong mentality so it's only fitting that Argentina is still in first place in the FIFA rankings. , maybe there will be changes when the next 2026 World Cup is held between Spain or Portugal, which occupies first place in the next FIFA ranking.

I'm not surprised that Argentina is in the lead, after all, champion of the world and champion of America, this team has been winning all the important football titles, and if Argentina played in the EURO they would probably win too... Even though France and Spain are doing well in the rankings, they still have to win championships.

Yes, it is natural that Argentina is in first place, very similar to Spain, which has won back to back Euros plus the World Cup. The difference is, Spain at Euro 2008 used a different coach, while Argentina had the same coach, namely Scaloni.

Argentina's success is due to having a united team that supports and respects each other. Messi is a successful team leader, usually he is calm but since 2018 he has started to be a little more assertive in defending his friends, and his friends really respect Messi's leadership, they do anything for Messi. Argentina's other success lies in the coach, because so far Argentina has never lacked great players, it has been proven that in Scaloni's hands Argentina can achieve everything, even a great coach like Ancelotti also praised Scaloni.

So if you look at the upcoming world cup, with the performance that Argentina currently has. Argentina might be able to win the 2026 World Cup in America because the chances of a European country winning the world cup if it is held on the American continent is very small.

In my opinion, Argentina's regeneration is very stable, very different from Brazil, but there is something I don't like in your statement, that in my opinion it is a bit excessive to appreciate Messi as a captain, perhaps it is a natural thing, but if we talk about whether Messi has contributed or not, Messi has brought Argentina to this point. , in my opinion all Argentinian players play an important role in achieving all this, not just being ranked number one in FIFA.

Scaloni is a coach who is said to not give much direction, but selecting players and bringing players into the current squad is the right decision and is clever in choosing players. I am worried that Argentina in the next world cup will find it difficult to achieve success during the world cup in Qatar last time, because there are many candidate country that will compete with Argentina in the upcoming 2026 World Cup..

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Quote from: Hanadawa on July 22, 2024, 01:00:11 AM

Ronaldo will be 41 years old and Messi will be 39 years old at the 2026 World Cup. In fact, there are many players who are still playing in the highest football competition in the world when they are in their 40s. Based on data from statista.com, the oldest player to play in the World Cup is Essam El-Hadary at the age of 45. And there is also Italian star Dino Zoff who is still playing at the age of 40. Ronaldo will be the oldest European player to play in the world cup if he can play in the 2026 world cup. I agree that the Messi-Ronaldo era is over. However, I think both of them still have an important role in their national team. They will not be the main players but their experience and mentality are still needed by their national team.

There are two different situations here. First of all, while other players could exist at that age, we do not expect them to be good enough to get the title, nobody expects them to be good enough to win any team any cups.

Secondly, these are players who were the greatest two players the world has ever seen, so seeing them not be good could be very disappointing, that is time and time is undefeated. I believe that them keep playing will not be easy, it will make sure that they are dealing with some troubles, and I believe that we need to make sure that Ronaldo and Messi doesn't get any special treatment just because of who they are, they may actually be benched because they will be too old.

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Quote from: ndutndut on July 22, 2024, 04:00:40 PM

Yes, it is natural that Argentina is in first place, very similar to Spain, which has won back to back Euros plus the World Cup. The difference is, Spain at Euro 2008 used a different coach, while Argentina had the same coach, namely Scaloni.

Argentina's success is due to having a united team that supports and respects each other. Messi is a successful team leader, usually he is calm but since 2018 he has started to be a little more assertive in defending his friends, and his friends really respect Messi's leadership, they do anything for Messi. Argentina's other success lies in the coach, because so far Argentina has never lacked great players, it has been proven that in Scaloni's hands Argentina can achieve everything, even a great coach like Ancelotti also praised Scaloni.

So if you look at the upcoming world cup, with the performance that Argentina currently has. Argentina might be able to win the 2026 World Cup in America because the chances of a European country winning the world cup if it is held on the American continent is very small.

A coach makes a lot of difference, it can change everything, this reminds me of the Argentine team itself during the 1998/2002 world cup cycles, that team I considered one of the best Argentine teams of all time, there was Batistuta, Veron , Claudio Lopez, Samuel, Crespo, Zanetti, Ortega, that is, several of the best players in the history of Argentine football, but they were unable to do well in any World Cup, possibly due to the coach's tactical style and definitions. If Argentina maintains its standard of play, it will be the big favorite for the 2026 World Cup along with Spain.

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It’s funny that in the top 10 it’s not the German team that looked better than England and France at Euro24.

Not really. Germany hasn't achieved any great success in the past few years.
In both 2018 and 2022 world cups, there were eliminated in the group stage. In EURO 2020, they were elimianated in round of 16 and in 2024, there were eliminated in quarter-finals.

Quote from: imamusma on July 22, 2024, 09:47:30 AM

as of July 18 Germany was ranked 13th and they moved up one place.

Germany moved up three places from 16th place to 13th place.

Germany is one of the best teams in the world, probably top 5 in my mind.

They are incredibly good, and very consistent. Of course sometimes they will lose, but that's just how the game works.

Same with Brazil, it's not not a coincidence that these teams have won the world cup multiple times.

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WOW... Argentina is still leading the FIFA rankings. I thought France was in first place or Spain but in fact Argentina is still first, looking at the quality of the players and the mentality of the individuals, everyone still has a strong mentality so it's only fitting that Argentina is still in first place in the FIFA rankings. , maybe there will be changes when the next 2026 World Cup is held between Spain or Portugal, which occupies first place in the next FIFA ranking.

I'm not surprised that Argentina is in the lead, after all, champion of the world and champion of America, this team has been winning all the important football titles, and if Argentina played in the EURO they would probably win too... Even though France and Spain are doing well in the rankings, they still have to win championships.

Yes, it is natural that Argentina is in first place, very similar to Spain, which has won back to back Euros plus the World Cup. The difference is, Spain at Euro 2008 used a different coach, while Argentina had the same coach, namely Scaloni.

Argentina's success is due to having a united team that supports and respects each other. Messi is a successful team leader, usually he is calm but since 2018 he has started to be a little more assertive in defending his friends, and his friends really respect Messi's leadership, they do anything for Messi. Argentina's other success lies in the coach, because so far Argentina has never lacked great players, it has been proven that in Scaloni's hands Argentina can achieve everything, even a great coach like Ancelotti also praised Scaloni.

So if you look at the upcoming world cup, with the performance that Argentina currently has. Argentina might be able to win the 2026 World Cup in America because the chances of a European country winning the world cup if it is held on the American continent is very small.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 22, 2024, 09:03:10 AM

In fact, Brazil ranks fairly - they are no better than Belgium, the Netherlands or Portugal. And they are definitely weaker than everyone below whom they are located (maybe just a little weaker than England, but still). It may even be surprising that such a weak Brazil (which has not won anything for years) is practically at the top.
It’s funny that in the top 10 it’s not the German team that looked better than England and France at Euro24.

I was also feeling in same way why we have no Germany into top ten despite having better performance from the France and England but still it's all fair enough we are having these teams at these spots and things will be changed in coming months because now we are heading for the start of leagues then we will have World Cup qualifiers which will bring good changes in these spots as well.

Brazil is surely the biggest disappointment for the fans with there is no positive signs are coming from them for having improvement because things are looking no development despite having change of coach.
Hopefully we will have good results from them in coming matches as they will learn from their mistakes which they have done in last few games and having early elimination from the Copa América with is also heartbroken for their fans.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 22, 2024, 09:03:10 AM

It’s funny that in the top 10 it’s not the German team that looked better than England and France at Euro24.

Not really. Germany hasn't achieved any great success in the past few years.
In both 2018 and 2022 world cups, there were eliminated in the group stage. In EURO 2020, they were elimianated in round of 16 and in 2024, there were eliminated in quarter-finals.

Quote from: imamusma on July 22, 2024, 09:47:30 AM

as of July 18 Germany was ranked 13th and they moved up one place.

Germany moved up three places from 16th place to 13th place.

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Brazilian soccer is having things gone opposite side with there is no positive news are coming right now for them because their performance is having huge decline, and they are unable to fix things which are needed to be done for the improvement now they are having 5th spot in FIFA ranking which is clearly giving all things about them in last few years even they are still having few top quality players.

Football has been played mechanically for too long. Coaches like Pep Guardiola have removed football from being a visual feast. Brazilian footballers are known for their beautiful samba-inspired football. But world football is now played on a more mechanical level. I think this is one of the easiest ways to explain the failure of the Brazilian national team in recent years. Lately, Spain and Argentina are among the best teams in world football. But I think the Germans could also be in this list if they catch a good generation.

You believe that football has become more mechanical in recent times and most possibly reason due to the influence of the coaches like Pep Guardiola ? I think that Historically it is the Brazilian football that has been celebrated for its flair and creativity (samba inspired football). Also i can speculate that Germany could also reclaim its status among the world's best teams if they develop a talented generation of players who can technical proficiency along with the creative football skills.

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