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Quote from: Hispo on November 05, 2023, 07:18:07 PM

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There is no doubt in my mind and in the mind of most people that next World Cups will be likely more liberal and open the the behavior of those who decide to attend and have fun.
It is rather a cultural and political debate than something about the sport itself, I think. When we go to a muslin country, which follows the Sharia law, we are expected to respect and follow their rules, otherwise we can get severely punished. On the other hand, those who want to live under the sharia law in the west are free to do so, as long as they do not impose their beliefs onto others against their will.
Those are completely different systems.

After what I see in Qatar, I would be quite pessimistic if any other world cup was to be held in a Sharia/muslin country again, no fun allowed?

Well, after Australia opted out for the World Cup 2034 bid, Saudi Arabia is the only country in the race at the moment, so they will probably be hosting it.

So, yes, there will most probably be another World Cup host with Sharia Law.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on November 05, 2023, 05:20:40 PM

About Qatar, it was not about entering the country but it was about making rules to let people drink easily or don't take everything hard about the nudity in this country.
But The case about America is different than this and they need to make some rules to let people enter this country more easily, I think in Qatar it was hard to stand against religious people but in America that's pretty much easy for them to make special rules.

America is a Libra country with various religious diversity so they are definitely not going to be sentimental on such grounds except it poses security threat then it will be reconsidered, because outside security grounds, those with same religious beliefs may frown at it.

But then policy making isn't an easy one anywhere the advantage here is that they have got some more time before the world cup. By then the isreliee war must have ended or at cease fire so I think there will be talks by then amongst the parties and reconciliations could be made and the religious limitations could ha e a way of working around them, the US is considered the world power so I don't think the security there could be easily compromised so definitely even security threats could still be kept under check.

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About Qatar, it was not about entering the country but it was about making rules to let people drink easily or don't take everything hard about the nudity in this country.
But The case about America is different than this and they need to make some rules to let people enter this country more easily, I think in Qatar it was hard to stand against religious people but in America that's pretty much easy for them to make special rules.

There is no doubt in my mind and in the mind of most people that next World Cups will be likely more liberal and open the the behavior of those who decide to attend and have fun.
It is rather a cultural and political debate than something about the sport itself, I think. When we go to a muslin country, which follows the Sharia law, we are expected to respect and follow their rules, otherwise we can get severely punished. On the other hand, those who want to live under the sharia law in the west are free to do so, as long as they do not impose their beliefs onto others against their will.
Those are completely different systems.

After what I see in Qatar, I would be quite pessimistic if any other world cup was to be held in a Sharia/muslin country again, no fun allowed?

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on November 05, 2023, 02:06:26 PM

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About the special and temporary policy for the World Cup, I think Qatar had to make some special rules for non-Muslim people and now America should make some special rules for people who want to visit this country.
Qatar failed to do that in the previous World Cup and now we should wait to see if America can make some special policies and how they are going handle the World Cup if there are many people who want to visit this country during this time.

I think this is more crucial than Qatar, because in Qatar access to it is still fairly easy, and what is happening in the US right now is that it is difficult to get access to it. The arrival of the audience to go there is something that must be considered, because this is the initial access.
Surely they as organizers do not want to make an impression that will be remembered as the worst World Cup due to the difficulty of access there. FIFA must also take part in this problem. Because the World Cup is still far away and now we are already talking about the big possibilities that will occur because of the current situation.

About Qatar, it was not about entering the country but it was about making rules to let people drink easily or don't take everything hard about the nudity in this country.
But The case about America is different than this and they need to make some rules to let people enter this country more easily, I think in Qatar it was hard to stand against religious people but in America that's pretty much easy for them to make special rules.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on November 04, 2023, 06:14:38 PM

About the special and temporary policy for the World Cup, I think Qatar had to make some special rules for non-Muslim people and now America should make some special rules for people who want to visit this country.
Qatar failed to do that in the previous World Cup and now we should wait to see if America can make some special policies and how they are going handle the World Cup if there are many people who want to visit this country during this time.

I think this is more crucial than Qatar, because in Qatar access to it is still fairly easy, and what is happening in the US right now is that it is difficult to get access to it. The arrival of the audience to go there is something that must be considered, because this is the initial access.
Surely they as organizers do not want to make an impression that will be remembered as the worst World Cup due to the difficulty of access there. FIFA must also take part in this problem. Because the World Cup is still far away and now we are already talking about the big possibilities that will occur because of the current situation.

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Quote from: Weawant on November 04, 2023, 03:35:51 PM

Quote from: Rampagoe004 on November 03, 2023, 11:13:58 PM

This will be a serious problem for world football. I think this is difficult because football has always been closely linked to politics. It's just that banning visas for Muslim countries might cause quite serious problems because as you said, football should be enjoyed by all races and nations. The 2022 World Cup in Qatar should be a reference that should not prohibit Muslim countries from participating in football.

I think there would be a temporary policy that will permit football fans that cut across all race and religious diversity to be able to witness the world cup live because if their countries qualify it will be unfair to have only their players in the stadium performing they need their fans.

It's could be conditional for fans or probably have permission for for certain persons outside the know fans but it's going to be a temporary visa for the period of the world cup after which they can go back to their policies. I don't think the religious barrier would be so much of a problem but if it does poses some level of threat, they are definitely going to have measures to subject it under control.

Whenever the FIFA World Cup tournament is been held by any country that successfully won the bidding process to host the tournament, there's a special Visa that allows fans from all the participating countries to visit the host country and give their team a good support when they're on the pitch.
So regardless of social, religious and racial differences, the governing body of football FIFA I think will definitely put in measures that'll ease the travel of football fans to support their teams whenever the tournament gets unver way

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Quote from: Weawant on November 04, 2023, 03:35:51 PM

Quote from: Rampagoe004 on November 03, 2023, 11:13:58 PM

This will be a serious problem for world football. I think this is difficult because football has always been closely linked to politics. It's just that banning visas for Muslim countries might cause quite serious problems because as you said, football should be enjoyed by all races and nations. The 2022 World Cup in Qatar should be a reference that should not prohibit Muslim countries from participating in football.

I think there would be a temporary policy that will permit football fans that cut across all race and religious diversity to be able to witness the world cup live because if their countries qualify it will be unfair to have only their players in the stadium performing they need their fans.

It's could be conditional for fans or probably have permission for for certain persons outside the know fans but it's going to be a temporary visa for the period of the world cup after which they can go back to their policies. I don't think the religious barrier would be so much of a problem but if it does poses some level of threat, they are definitely going to have measures to subject it under control.

About the special and temporary policy for the World Cup, I think Qatar had to make some special rules for non-Muslim people and now America should make some special rules for people who want to visit this country.
Qatar failed to do that in the previous World Cup and now we should wait to see if America can make some special policies and how they are going handle the World Cup if there are many people who want to visit this country during this time.

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Quote from: Rampagoe004 on November 03, 2023, 11:13:58 PM

This will be a serious problem for world football. I think this is difficult because football has always been closely linked to politics. It's just that banning visas for Muslim countries might cause quite serious problems because as you said, football should be enjoyed by all races and nations. The 2022 World Cup in Qatar should be a reference that should not prohibit Muslim countries from participating in football.

I think there would be a temporary policy that will permit football fans that cut across all race and religious diversity to be able to witness the world cup live because if their countries qualify it will be unfair to have only their players in the stadium performing they need their fans.

It's could be conditional for fans or probably have permission for for certain persons outside the know fans but it's going to be a temporary visa for the period of the world cup after which they can go back to their policies. I don't think the religious barrier would be so much of a problem but if it does poses some level of threat, they are definitely going to have measures to subject it under control.

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Quote from: Fiatless on November 04, 2023, 03:33:14 AM

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It's quite strange to link the current state of the world with the 2026 World Cup which is still quite a long way off and also talk about the difficulty of getting a USA visa, I think the USA is not a stupid country that is proposing to be the host but making it difficult for people who want to get a visa to watch the World Cup in their country.
Of course, they continue to tighten the process of granting visas, but of course, they have certain considerations so it is impossible that many will be rejected because one of the income for this event is entrance tickets to watch matches live at the stadium, so it is impossible for them to ignore this.

It is true that 2026 is far and we don't know the US immigration policy regarding the world cup but nobody should blame the US if visa become difficult to get. The country will first have to protect its national interest. We all know that many people want to migrate to the US and they will use the World Cup as an opportunity to move to the country. It will be difficult to know people that have such intention so the visa process will be very tight. America has the population that can make the world cup successful in terms of income and filling stadiums. Even if the country decides not to accept any world cup visitors they can still host the world cup.

However, the World cup is also a medium of tourism and business. There are many genuine fans and tourist that has clear intentions to come and watch games and enjoy America with no hidden plan to violate the visa conditions. These set of person should be allowed to enter the US without hurdles. Businesses that wants to come and explore the American market for them to buy or sell goods and services, should also be given the opportunity.

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Well, the situation might be very different / 3 years later. And yes sometimes it can be very difficult for a lot of people to get the United States visa. But at the same time that does not stop a lot of people just crossing the border and getting into the United States because right now I think the United States actually appreciates that, to be honest. We have seen a lot of people illegally getting into the United States and just say that they are tortured or somehow trafficked into the country. that’s somehow enough to give them into a school and they don't even have to pay for it. So I don't know, the current situation in the United States seems really fucked up, to be honest.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on November 03, 2023, 05:54:32 PM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on November 03, 2023, 12:47:25 PM

One of the problems when the World Cup will be held in the US is that it is difficult to get a visa there. I think there will be policies that will ease access to watch the World Cup live. FIFA will also definitely find a solution to this, because one of the things that will make the World Cup lively is the presence of many people watching from abroad. If access to it is still difficult then don't be surprised when the next World Cup will not be as lively as usual.
The designated country must also be more able to adjust, because this is a party that everyone is always waiting for.

I'm not a lawyer and I don't have much information about taking a visa to other countries but from what I can see people usually complain about taking a visa to the USA because it's much harder for them compared to the other countries.
I think America should make special rules for the World Cup visitors in this country and they should understand they need to make it easier for people to get a visa when they need to watch the World Cup games in 2026.

\Yes as I said before, there should be a relaxation of policies when the World Cup takes place, because easy access to it will also have a positive impact on those who act as hosts. There is always a negative impression when the World Cup is held in a country, the World Cup that has passed also has its own impression, be it negative or positive. But don't let things like this become something that lasts later, because if access is difficult when going there and there is no policy that will make it easier for the audience, it will certainly give a negative impression and I we will imprint it for years.

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It is true that 2026 is far and we don't know the US immigration policy regarding the world cup but nobody should blame the US if visa become difficult to get. The country will first have to protect its national interest. We all know that many people want to migrate to the US and they will use the World Cup as an opportunity to move to the country. It will be difficult to know people that have such intention so the visa process will be very tight. America has the population that can make the world cup successful in terms of income and filling stadiums. Even if the country decides not to accept any world cup visitors they can still host the world cup.

However, the World cup is also a medium of tourism and business. There are many genuine fans and tourist that has clear intentions to come and watch games and enjoy America with no hidden plan to violate the visa conditions. These set of person should be allowed to enter the US without hurdles. Businesses that wants to come and explore the American market for them to buy or sell goods and services, should also be given the opportunity.

I think it will be different for one month when the World Cup held in the US regarding visa processing, right now we know how difficult with Visa progress exactly with several countries are not allowed to visit United State and they will make an easy rule when close with World Cup 2026 begin. I am come with country friendly and easily to get United State visa, our country give special by United State and many of our people are there for studying and working.

I have planning will be one of person visit United State for watching FIFA World Cup 2026 matches, its my dreaming planning specially if my country success qualify and participants in World Cup 2026 but not playing in Canada or Mexico.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on November 03, 2023, 05:00:06 AM

The war between Palestine and Israel has been going on for a long time and there are indeed foreign countries that are allies of both parties, but this war will never be able to problem global peace because both of them have the protection of the UN, fact this war has been discussed several times by The UN but Israel continues to launch attack after missile attack which hits every corner of the city in Palestine.

If the conflict between Palestine and Israel had an impact and caused global problems and crises to the point that the World Cup had to be postponed, it would have happened a long time ago and the Qatar 2022 World Cup would also be affected, but what actually happened was that the World Cup could still run smoothly without any conflict whatsoever make it have to be postponed.

I would say it has nothing to do with the current situation and there is nothing to worry about f or the world cup. Surely it's a shame what is going on, and I understand that some people think that it's OK to pick sides, in a war there are no sides, there are innocent people dying, no matter which side, but the war is half way across the nation whereas the world cup will be held at north America. So all in all, the war will not spill towards there, nothing will happen there.

Unless there are some terrorist attacks during world cup, which would not be impossible but would be unlikely, I think we are all fine. We should be seeing the world cup without any trouble at all and there should be a lot of fun. I think it is clear that we are going to be forced to watch the situation a little bit differently and I believe that the best thing to do in this case would be to make sure everyone is having fun without worrying about anything else than football they are watching.

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Quote from: Strongkored on November 04, 2023, 02:54:19 AM

It's quite strange to link the current state of the world with the 2026 World Cup which is still quite a long way off and also talk about the difficulty of getting a USA visa, I think the USA is not a stupid country that is proposing to be the host but making it difficult for people who want to get a visa to watch the World Cup in their country.
Of course, they continue to tighten the process of granting visas, but of course, they have certain considerations so it is impossible that many will be rejected because one of the income for this event is entrance tickets to watch matches live at the stadium, so it is impossible for them to ignore this.

It is true that 2026 is far and we don't know the US immigration policy regarding the world cup but nobody should blame the US if visa become difficult to get. The country will first have to protect its national interest. We all know that many people want to migrate to the US and they will use the World Cup as an opportunity to move to the country. It will be difficult to know people that have such intention so the visa process will be very tight. America has the population that can make the world cup successful in terms of income and filling stadiums. Even if the country decides not to accept any world cup visitors they can still host the world cup.

However, the World cup is also a medium of tourism and business. There are many genuine fans and tourist that has clear intentions to come and watch games and enjoy America with no hidden plan to violate the visa conditions. These set of person should be allowed to enter the US without hurdles. Businesses that wants to come and explore the American market for them to buy or sell goods and services, should also be given the opportunity.

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It's quite strange to link the current state of the world with the 2026 World Cup which is still quite a long way off and also talk about the difficulty of getting a USA visa, I think the USA is not a stupid country that is proposing to be the host but making it difficult for people who want to get a visa to watch the World Cup in their country.
Of course, they continue to tighten the process of granting visas, but of course, they have certain considerations so it is impossible that many will be rejected because one of the income for this event is entrance tickets to watch matches live at the stadium, so it is impossible for them to ignore this.

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Quote from: Rampagoe004 on November 03, 2023, 11:13:58 PM

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It has been discussed for a long time that spectators who watch sports in America may face a lot of harassment due to visa complications, but the new headache is caused by Muslim countries. The US is directly on Israel's side with the war situation between Hamas and Israel, and many Muslim countries may be affected by this at the World Cup. The US government may ban visas to some Muslim countries. If this is the case then it will be an injustice to football as football is enjoyed by all irrespective of caste and creed and it would be a shame if a particular race is denied visa for some reason. Since America will host 80% of the matches, they alone have the power to decide on the matter. Muslim-majority countries will get visas if the US government wants them and if they don't, Muslim-majority countries won't get visas to watch the World Cup.

This will be a serious problem for world football. I think this is difficult because football has always been closely linked to politics. It's just that banning visas for Muslim countries might cause quite serious problems because as you said, football should be enjoyed by all races and nations. The 2022 World Cup in Qatar should be a reference that should not prohibit Muslim countries from participating in football.

I think war and sport should be separated. In America, people go to watch sports to fight, so I don't think America should ban any particular nation based on who is watching the game. There was no ban in Qatar World Cup that no people of different religion can enter Qatar but they changed something that as their country is a Muslim country they banned alcohol and banned other anti-Islamic acts including homosexuality but Qatar did not give banned certain ethnic groups.

2026 World Cup will be attended by several major Muslim countries so many fans from their countries will go to enjoy the World Cup tournament to support them so I think they should be given the opportunity to support their team. It will be a shame if any particular race is banned.

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But I think the current war will have an impact on the 2026 World Cup. Even though the Middle East conflict is between Palestine and Israel, this war also brings the names of allied countries such as the United States. I think this war will have a lot of influence geopolitically. It is possible that the 2026 World Cup will be postponed if this war spreads and becomes a global crisis.

What do you say?
The war between Palestine and Israel has been going on for a long time and there are indeed foreign countries that are allies of both parties, but this war will never be able to problem global peace because both of them have the protection of the UN, fact this war has been discussed several times by The UN but Israel continues to launch attack after missile attack which hits every corner of the city in Palestine.

If the conflict between Palestine and Israel had an impact and caused global problems and crises to the point that the World Cup had to be postponed, it would have happened a long time ago and the Qatar 2022 World Cup would also be affected, but what actually happened was that the World Cup could still run smoothly without any conflict whatsoever make it have to be postponed.

FIFA has certainly taken into account all the possibilities and risks before appointing Saudi as the host of the upcoming 2034 World Cup, and it is also possible that this conflict will make FIFA change its decision. However, 2034 is still very long from now, of course we hope that the conflict that is occurring can end soon, so that things will get better. What is clear is that FIFA has the authority to make the World Cup safe from various impacts, both social, economic and others.

On the other hand, Saudi's steps in advancing football are indeed not half-hearted, the SPL is better than previously predicted and the appointment of the World Cup host will improve the image of their football. It looks like there will be even more surprises in the future, one of which may be recruiting more players from Europe top leagues in the transfer market, and PIF is reportedly also interested in acquiring one of the clubs from Ligue 1 namely Marseille.

Let me tell you that the conflict is not going to end any time soon. This is a conflict that has been going on for a long time. Everyone knows that Israel is at fault here. They are literally doing war crimes. But they have got authority over almost every important countries. So no one is actually saying anything to them. Even I’m pretty sure that FIFA also supports Israel.

Anyway, think this can definitely have a big impact on the FIFA World Cup. There is definitely going to be a huge war, probably the next world war around this issue. But I don’t know when that is going to happen.

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Quote from: Patrol69 on November 03, 2023, 11:03:25 PM

It has been discussed for a long time that spectators who watch sports in America may face a lot of harassment due to visa complications, but the new headache is caused by Muslim countries. The US is directly on Israel's side with the war situation between Hamas and Israel, and many Muslim countries may be affected by this at the World Cup. The US government may ban visas to some Muslim countries. If this is the case then it will be an injustice to football as football is enjoyed by all irrespective of caste and creed and it would be a shame if a particular race is denied visa for some reason. Since America will host 80% of the matches, they alone have the power to decide on the matter. Muslim-majority countries will get visas if the US government wants them and if they don't, Muslim-majority countries won't get visas to watch the World Cup.

This will be a serious problem for world football. I think this is difficult because football has always been closely linked to politics. It's just that banning visas for Muslim countries might cause quite serious problems because as you said, football should be enjoyed by all races and nations. The 2022 World Cup in Qatar should be a reference that should not prohibit Muslim countries from participating in football.

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Quote from: Volgastallion on November 03, 2023, 10:54:34 AM

Yes this war can change some thinks, not related to the football itself but yes it can change one thing we alredy talk about in this thread, and that think is how USA allows the people to enter his country to see the World CUp, this can make much worse or difficult to get a visa for muslim countries.

It has been discussed for a long time that spectators who watch sports in America may face a lot of harassment due to visa complications, but the new headache is caused by Muslim countries. The US is directly on Israel's side with the war situation between Hamas and Israel, and many Muslim countries may be affected by this at the World Cup. The US government may ban visas to some Muslim countries. If this is the case then it will be an injustice to football as football is enjoyed by all irrespective of caste and creed and it would be a shame if a particular race is denied visa for some reason. Since America will host 80% of the matches, they alone have the power to decide on the matter. Muslim-majority countries will get visas if the US government wants them and if they don't, Muslim-majority countries won't get visas to watch the World Cup.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on November 03, 2023, 12:47:25 PM

Quote from: Volgastallion on November 03, 2023, 10:54:34 AM

Yes this war can change some thinks, not related to the football itself but yes it can change one thing we alredy talk about in this thread, and that think is how USA allows the people to enter his country to see the World CUp, this can make much worse or difficult to get a visa for muslim countries.

One of the problems when the World Cup will be held in the US is that it is difficult to get a visa there. I think there will be policies that will ease access to watch the World Cup live. FIFA will also definitely find a solution to this, because one of the things that will make the World Cup lively is the presence of many people watching from abroad. If access to it is still difficult then don't be surprised when the next World Cup will not be as lively as usual.
The designated country must also be more able to adjust, because this is a party that everyone is always waiting for.

I'm not a lawyer and I don't have much information about taking a visa to other countries but from what I can see people usually complain about taking a visa to the USA because it's much harder for them compared to the other countries.
I think America should make special rules for the World Cup visitors in this country and they should understand they need to make it easier for people to get a visa when they need to watch the World Cup games in 2026.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on November 03, 2023, 12:47:25 PM

One of the problems when the World Cup will be held in the US is that it is difficult to get a visa there. I think there will be policies that will ease access to watch the World Cup live. FIFA will also definitely find a solution to this, because one of the things that will make the World Cup lively is the presence of many people watching from abroad. If access to it is still difficult then don't be surprised when the next World Cup will not be as lively as usual.
The designated country must also be more able to adjust, because this is a party that everyone is always waiting for.

I'm sure FIFA is very much aware that there are countries who have some travel restrictions to the US and some also have difficulty getting a US visa so all these I think are put into consideration during the planning of the events so they are definitely going to make provisions.

They still have enough time till the world cup to find solution to the Visa hitches for foreigners who will want to witness the games live in the various stadiums where the world cup will be hosted. Their could be possible provisions for World Cup Visa only and that may help a long way for people who have issues in their country especially as it has to do with Africans, such policies will be needed.

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