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brazil moves up one position in the FIFA world rankings and returns to fifth place. brazil was overtaken by Spain and England, while Argentina dispoared after winning the Copa América over Colombia.

FIFA rankings July update:

1. Argentina: 1,901.48 points
2. France: 1,854.91
3. Spain: 1,835.67
4. England: 1,812.26
5. Brazil: 1,785.61
6. Belgium: 1,772.44
7. Netherlands: 1,758.51
8. Portugal: 1,741.43
9. Colombia: 1,727.32
10. Italy: 1,714.29

Unfortunately, due to some controversial defeats by brazil while other teams are performing well, it's inevitable that brazil will lose positions in the world rankings.
Argentina and France maintained the first and second positions while Spain moved five spots up due to the win in the European Nations Cup. Colombia moved up three sports while Brazil and Belgium's ratings dropped significantly. Other countries that maintain their positions are Italy and the Netherlands. Brazil's performance has reduced to a greater extent and they need to hire a good coach that can harness the quality players they have.

I'm not saying everything Argentina has comes from Messi but we should accept that Messi is a great part of this team and if they didn't have Messi, they couldn't have these results at all. While in Brazil, players like Neymar and Vini could never play this role for their country and this can even make everything worse for Brazil since their superstar player, Neymar is even getting older and won't have a good performance soon. Brazil needs a great change if they want to get their place back in the world.
Messi is undoubtedly one of the greatest players both in Argentina and the world. He has been instrumental in the success of the national team. His quality might have reduced, but his influence has contributed to the success of the team. Even at age 37 he still exhibits the strength of a player in his twenties. Great players come and go, this is the of an uncommon player Messi. It will take some years for Argentina to have such a genius in its fold.
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brazil moves up one position in the FIFA world rankings and returns to fifth place. brazil was overtaken by Spain and England, while Argentina dispoared after winning the Copa América over Colombia.

FIFA rankings July update:

1. Argentina: 1,901.48 points
2. France: 1,854.91
3. Spain: 1,835.67
4. England: 1,812.26
5. Brazil: 1,785.61
6. Belgium: 1,772.44
7. Netherlands: 1,758.51
8. Portugal: 1,741.43
9. Colombia: 1,727.32
10. Italy: 1,714.29

Unfortunately, due to some controversial defeats by brazil while other teams are performing well, it's inevitable that brazil will lose positions in the world rankings.

I'm not saying everything Argentina has comes from Messi but we should accept that Messi is a great part of this team and if they didn't have Messi, they couldn't have these results at all. While in Brazil, players like Neymar and Vini could never play this role for their country and this can even make everything worse for Brazil since their superstar player, Neymar is even getting older and won't have a good performance soon. Brazil needs a great change if they want to get their place back in the world.

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brazil moves up one position in the FIFA world rankings and returns to fifth place. brazil was overtaken by Spain and England, while Argentina dispoared after winning the Copa América over Colombia.

FIFA rankings July update:

1. Argentina: 1,901.48 points
2. France: 1,854.91
3. Spain: 1,835.67
4. England: 1,812.26
5. Brazil: 1,785.61
6. Belgium: 1,772.44
7. Netherlands: 1,758.51
8. Portugal: 1,741.43
9. Colombia: 1,727.32
10. Italy: 1,714.29

Unfortunately, due to some controversial defeats by brazil while other teams are performing well, it's inevitable that brazil will lose positions in the world rankings.


I don't know what you mean by Brazil also dropping in the world's ranking, this is FIFA's world ranking regardless of the tourney they just played. FIFA will continue to use countries' current feats to adjust their position even if other countries of the world do not play at that time, their time will come in their various continental tournaments as well. Also, the image I posted above speaks it better, Brazil dropped by one position, this is not much though, they can recover next time. But on a serious note, Brazil performed so badly in Euro 2024, that I even thought they would reduce lower than this.

Notwithstanding, they are still better than Portugal and Belgium which dropped -2 and -3 respectively. England did not do so well in my opinion but for the opportunity of reaching the Euro final, they were handed a +1 lift. However, the real heroes in this adjustment are Spain and Colombia. Spain displayed a true feat and everyone knows it, so the +5 lift is well-deserved. The same goes for Columbia (+3), they surprised the world and despite not making it to the final, their former matches can't be taken for granted.
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The decline in performance experienced by Brazil certainly has an impact on their ranking in the FIFA standings. They also definitely realize that because their current game cannot be expected to be like when they had a very good game in the past. They have to improve because they have been in a situation like this for too long which is clearly not good for a team of their size.

While Argentina managed to become champions in the Copa America, they managed to continue the achievements they achieved in the previous World Cup. This is clearly something very good for them to start their journey again in preparing for the next World Cup which will be held in 3 countries at once. Their goal is very clear, namely to defend the championship title they won in the previous edition. However, they still have a lot to do, because some of their top players may not participate in the next World Cup.
It cannot be denied that Brazil is currently experiencing a decline in performance, Brazil latest failure in the Copa America is valid proof of this. Previously, Brazil also had difficulty appearing consistently in the CONMEBOL zone World Cup qualifiers, it seems that Brazil glorious era is starting to fade. We know that changing managers, player injuries and regeneration within the squad are the causes of Brazil performance declining. Brazil also always has high expectations from fans when participating in a tournament, and perhaps this causes the players to feel under pressure.

On the other hand, Argentina once again managed to win the Copa America trophy, and managed to perform impressively throughout the tournament, which is very valuable capital to take part in the upcoming 2026 World Cup. This success clearly keeps their ranking stable at the top, and they deserve to be there. Regarding regeneration in the Argentina squad, of course this will happen, even Messi has not stated his stance regarding his participation at the 2026 World Cup. But as we can see, they do not lack quality players, but Messi's presence has always been a differentiator for Argentina.
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brazil moves up one position in the FIFA world rankings and returns to fifth place. brazil was overtaken by Spain and England, while Argentina dispoared after winning the Copa América over Colombia.

FIFA rankings July update:

1. Argentina: 1,901.48 points
2. France: 1,854.91
3. Spain: 1,835.67
4. England: 1,812.26
5. Brazil: 1,785.61
6. Belgium: 1,772.44
7. Netherlands: 1,758.51
8. Portugal: 1,741.43
9. Colombia: 1,727.32
10. Italy: 1,714.29

Unfortunately, due to some controversial defeats by brazil while other teams are performing well, it's inevitable that brazil will lose positions in the world rankings.

Yeah, I have checked out the updated version. The thing that made me very happy was to see my country, Türkiye, becoming the 26th by climbing 16 positions at one time.  Smiley  Our reaching the quarter finals in Euro 2024 was a dream journey for us and it brought about lots of points in FIFA Rankings also.

When it comes to Brazil they didn't move up, they moved down one position.



England reached finale in Euro 2024 and collected a lot of points. As Brazil are still having difficult days it isn't a big surprise to see them losing a position.
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brazil moves up one position in the FIFA world rankings and returns to fifth place. brazil was overtaken by Spain and England, while Argentina dispoared after winning the Copa América over Colombia.

FIFA rankings July update:

1. Argentina: 1,901.48 points
2. France: 1,854.91
3. Spain: 1,835.67
4. England: 1,812.26
5. Brazil: 1,785.61
6. Belgium: 1,772.44
7. Netherlands: 1,758.51
8. Portugal: 1,741.43
9. Colombia: 1,727.32
10. Italy: 1,714.29

Unfortunately, due to some controversial defeats by brazil while other teams are performing well, it's inevitable that brazil will lose positions in the world rankings.
The decline in performance experienced by Brazil certainly has an impact on their ranking in the FIFA standings. They also definitely realize that because their current game cannot be expected to be like when they had a very good game in the past. They have to improve because they have been in a situation like this for too long which is clearly not good for a team of their size.

While Argentina managed to become champions in the Copa America, they managed to continue the achievements they achieved in the previous World Cup. This is clearly something very good for them to start their journey again in preparing for the next World Cup which will be held in 3 countries at once. Their goal is very clear, namely to defend the championship title they won in the previous edition. However, they still have a lot to do, because some of their top players may not participate in the next World Cup.
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brazil moves up one position in the FIFA world rankings and returns to fifth place. brazil was overtaken by Spain and England, while Argentina dispoared after winning the Copa América over Colombia.

FIFA rankings July update:

1. Argentina: 1,901.48 points
2. France: 1,854.91
3. Spain: 1,835.67
4. England: 1,812.26
5. Brazil: 1,785.61
6. Belgium: 1,772.44
7. Netherlands: 1,758.51
8. Portugal: 1,741.43
9. Colombia: 1,727.32
10. Italy: 1,714.29

Unfortunately, due to some controversial defeats by brazil while other teams are performing well, it's inevitable that brazil will lose positions in the world rankings.
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How this players manage to maintain a good football form and still balance it with the said "bad habits" is really incredible and amazing, for some persons the psychological switch may create an imbalance at some point but interestingly they have it really different in this case and I personally see it as such that can be commended. Although with the former, it was partying and night life probably but the recent seem to have combined it with social media "addiction" hopefully it doesn't lead to a decline that's going to cost them so much.

In their various club sides, they actually perform much better even with all these stated, probably it's with country games they fail to be really optimal not allowing the interference of any other thing which includes their habits.
Things like these are not new in South American sports because we are having history of many big incidents and controversies which stay around many big names here in this region but now due to well awareness and having good links in social media we are able to check all details about them. Usually this all is part of their culture, and they love to have night parties and all other activities which give them fun and better things for spending time but still we have many big names which spend their life in sports without any serious problem and have good name into sports.

Recently we have few controversies around Brazilian soccer due to their bad boys which are doing stuff which is hurting their image with Neymar is addicted to casino games and Ronaldinho is also having problems just because of this he was arrested in Paraguay, but now things are coming back to normal.
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I think most Brazilian players have bad habits like night parties and drinking. In fact this has been the case for a long time but they are indeed blessed with extraordinary football talent. They were able to perform at the highest level with their bad habits even though they were inconsistent and only played for a few seasons. The current Brazilian players are even worse. They have social media so this makes them addicted to scrolling and interacting with lots of people and this will make them have no interest in football. I think the Brazilian legends have to do something to overcome Brazil's slump in form.
How this players manage to maintain a good football form and still balance it with the said "bad habits" is really incredible and amazing, for some persons the psychological switch may create an imbalance at some point but interestingly they have it really different in this case and I personally see it as such that can be commended. Although with the former, it was partying and night life probably but the recent seem to have combined it with social media "addiction" hopefully it doesn't lead to a decline that's going to cost them so much.

In their various club sides, they actually perform much better even with all these stated, probably it's with country games they fail to be really optimal not allowing the interference of any other thing which includes their habits.
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The generation we are talking about in which they had some players like Ronaldo and Ronaldinho is now far and they should accept this. The only player left for Brazil to have the same Barzial playing style is Neymar while he is out of the good form and he is mostly injured. This means Brazil needs a revolution in the strategy they use because if they don't do that they will lose their place in the world.
Currently, the only player they have to rely on him is just Vini which can never be enough.

Vini is an excellent player, indeed, but he isn't "extraordinary".
And when we talk about extraordinary, I'm referring to being much more than a player who does "magic with the ball", he's also that player who sets an example in every way for other players, both on and off the field.
But what we saw in Vini Jr.'s last game was a yellow card "for nothing" because he didn't know how to control his emotions.

Again referring to Ronaldinho Gaúcho.... he joked with the ball, was exceptional in the game, and was also reprimanded a lot by opponents for his "debauched" way of playing, but he never lost his temper (that I remember).
He simply continued playing and responded with another dribble that was even more sensational than the previous one.

Unfortunately, at the end of his career he took some wrong turns in life, made investments in dishonest companies, participated in controversial advertising campaigns and even faced some criminal cases here in Brazil that tarnished his image a little. But none of this made us forget who he was.

I hope one day to see some extraordinary player play for Brazil again, both on and off the football field.

To make it clear let's say Vini is just one good player in Brazil and if they have a player like Vini in Brazil who is young enough and talented to help Brazil this won't be enough to make Brazil win any title to have any achievements in the World Cup because the other teams got much more and better players than Vini. Even if we consider Vini as the best young player in the world still this won't be enough for to Brazil have a better performance because they will need better teamwork and a better coach to get the team improved.
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The generation we are talking about in which they had some players like Ronaldo and Ronaldinho is now far and they should accept this. The only player left for Brazil to have the same Barzial playing style is Neymar while he is out of the good form and he is mostly injured. This means Brazil needs a revolution in the strategy they use because if they don't do that they will lose their place in the world.
Currently, the only player they have to rely on him is just Vini which can never be enough.
  
If we talk about this squad, it actually has a luxurious squad, but somehow they seem to have lost their identity in a typical game that we rarely see anymore. Obviously this is a setback for a team that has as much young talent as they do. Almost every year they always have a good generation, many young players are born as a generation and so on.
I agree with you that they must carry out an evaluation so that they can restore the identity they have lost in recent years. The opportunity is still there, especially as we head towards the World Cup where the players are now expected to be even more mature. There is a lot of potential that can be explored, the federation must quickly resolve this problem. If they feel that their coach doesn't suit the playing character of the Brazilian players, then they can look for a new coach who can be better.
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The generation we are talking about in which they had some players like Ronaldo and Ronaldinho is now far and they should accept this. The only player left for Brazil to have the same Barzial playing style is Neymar while he is out of the good form and he is mostly injured. This means Brazil needs a revolution in the strategy they use because if they don't do that they will lose their place in the world.
Currently, the only player they have to rely on him is just Vini which can never be enough.

Vini is an excellent player, indeed, but he isn't "extraordinary".
And when we talk about extraordinary, I'm referring to being much more than a player who does "magic with the ball", he's also that player who sets an example in every way for other players, both on and off the field.
But what we saw in Vini Jr.'s last game was a yellow card "for nothing" because he didn't know how to control his emotions.

Again referring to Ronaldinho Gaúcho.... he joked with the ball, was exceptional in the game, and was also reprimanded a lot by opponents for his "debauched" way of playing, but he never lost his temper (that I remember).
He simply continued playing and responded with another dribble that was even more sensational than the previous one.

Unfortunately, at the end of his career he took some wrong turns in life, made investments in dishonest companies, participated in controversial advertising campaigns and even faced some criminal cases here in Brazil that tarnished his image a little. But none of this made us forget who he was.

I hope one day to see some extraordinary player play for Brazil again, both on and off the football field.

Ronaldinho for a time had some serious problems with the police, he was imprisoned in Paraguay for a few months lol

In his generation there were some "controversial" players, such as Adriano Imperador, Robinho, Kleber Gladiador and some other illustrious figures in Brazilian football.

About Vini, I think he is still a player in development, maybe in a few years he will become a great player, because nowadays he is just a good player... He is still far behind the decisive factor that Neymar has, for example.


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I do not get this argument. Do only Brazilian players go to night parties or drinking and rest of the football players around the world never drink?

I think instead of going into the personal activities of the players, we need to focus on how the player performs on the ground. Also, if a team is not performing well, there can be several reasons not limited to issues in team management, coaches or the overall infrastructure of that particular sport in that country.

And by the way, do you think that Brazil will not perform good in the upcoming World Cup? I think when the time will come, they may surprise many.
Sorry, I seem to have given the wrong perception. I agree with you that it is not only Brazilian players who like to drink and party. Here I am just taking a reference or something that is common knowledge that most Brazilian players, especially star players, who of course are always in the media spotlight, are addicted to drinking and partying. Actually this is not a serious problem but as far as I know it is because Brazilian players are seen drinking and partying more often than most other star players in elite European competitions. Typically players with "superstar" status have a strict healthy lifestyle and intense training and will rarely drink and party. Correct me if I'm wrong.
To be perfectly honest, I can say that we are talking about something that may take some time, and not going to be that easy to handle at all. We are talking about a situation that will not be too simple, and we could probably see it working some other way.

I understand that we may not be able to fix anything we want, and it may take a while, but I believe that Brazilians party harder than other ones. What we are talking about here is taking practice and training seriously as well, because I have not seen too many Brazilian talented players be as hard working as other nations, usually other nations have players who may party once in a while, hell maybe even a lot, but they end up working hard at training to cover that difference instead. This isn't true for all players, not all Brazilians are like that.

We just see to many players come from favellas or other places and get millions, so it is only natural that they want to live a better life and have fun a bit. Whereas some German kid would be able to say that they already had a decent life, so they just keep working like they suppose to since they never had that kind of terrible life, maybe not awesome, but better than the Brazilian kid most of the time.
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The generation we are talking about in which they had some players like Ronaldo and Ronaldinho is now far and they should accept this. The only player left for Brazil to have the same Barzial playing style is Neymar while he is out of the good form and he is mostly injured. This means Brazil needs a revolution in the strategy they use because if they don't do that they will lose their place in the world.
Currently, the only player they have to rely on him is just Vini which can never be enough.
Yes, so far Brazil is the one that is talked about the most, they are one of the legendary teams that used to be in the World Cup final quite often when it was still filled with great, legendary players with quite beautiful playing skills.
Now we can't find Brazil style of play like before, you really are the only player who can still play with that style now is Neymar, but he has passed his glory days and now has to go through with conditions often injured.
Indeed, there are many players in the current era who have been able to show their talent and have made several great achievements in their careers in football, but that is only for European football because they have not been able to make the Brazilian national team the strongest.
Style of play has changed and these players now only show how their skills are only for one goals, there is no art or beauty in playing football, very different from the legendary Brazilian players who were once able to win the World Cup title.
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The generation we are talking about in which they had some players like Ronaldo and Ronaldinho is now far and they should accept this. The only player left for Brazil to have the same Barzial playing style is Neymar while he is out of the good form and he is mostly injured. This means Brazil needs a revolution in the strategy they use because if they don't do that they will lose their place in the world.
Currently, the only player they have to rely on him is just Vini which can never be enough.

Vini is an excellent player, indeed, but he isn't "extraordinary".
And when we talk about extraordinary, I'm referring to being much more than a player who does "magic with the ball", he's also that player who sets an example in every way for other players, both on and off the field.
But what we saw in Vini Jr.'s last game was a yellow card "for nothing" because he didn't know how to control his emotions.

Again referring to Ronaldinho Gaúcho.... he joked with the ball, was exceptional in the game, and was also reprimanded a lot by opponents for his "debauched" way of playing, but he never lost his temper (that I remember).
He simply continued playing and responded with another dribble that was even more sensational than the previous one.

Unfortunately, at the end of his career he took some wrong turns in life, made investments in dishonest companies, participated in controversial advertising campaigns and even faced some criminal cases here in Brazil that tarnished his image a little. But none of this made us forget who he was.

I hope one day to see some extraordinary player play for Brazil again, both on and off the football field.
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Everything has changed, today a football player's priority is to do his marketing on social media, get good contracts and good sponsorships, is to please his followers

The sport has taken a backseat, today in case of defeat, the players go out to celebrate in a good restaurant, as Lucas Paquetá did... There is no patriotic feeling. They don't really care anymore.
It seems that the brazilian team is financed by vought from the boys series, where the players and directors are only focused on their own benefit than on the players actually playing well for the team and representing Brazilian legacy football.
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Yes i agree with the guy above me.

Brazil and brasilian tams seems like they lose their soul, they play like a normal team now, its not more that super dance, and samba. All the former brasilian players say the same about this new generation so they have to be in the correct.

I agree, although an "idol" on the field doesn't win a trophy, he serves as an inspiration to the other players on the field.
And, unfortunately, the last Brazilian player who could come closest to this to date was Neymar.

However, at 32 years old, I no longer see Neymar with the psychological capacity to reinvent himself or to be an exceptional player. The last great Brazilian reference I had of a great player "out of the ordinary" was Ronaldinho Gaúcho, who managed to lift all possible cups in addition to the World Cup and also the FIFA best in the world trophy.

Since then, we no longer have a Brazilian player who is a "reference" and inspiration for others, and Brazil really needs a new idol in football.

The generation we are talking about in which they had some players like Ronaldo and Ronaldinho is now far and they should accept this. The only player left for Brazil to have the same Barzial playing style is Neymar while he is out of the good form and he is mostly injured. This means Brazil needs a revolution in the strategy they use because if they don't do that they will lose their place in the world.
Currently, the only player they have to rely on him is just Vini which can never be enough.
  
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I think it's very difficult for Brazil to surprise us again, especially with this generation of players... what happens is that children and young people no longer want to play football... 20, 25 years ago it was common to see people playing football in the streets, children receiving footballs as gifts for their birthdays and Christmas... nowadays they ask for cell phones and tablets. I believe that the internet killed many good potential players of the future. This is a worrying type of addiction that is affecting people at an increasingly younger age.
I kind of disagree with your thoughts or don't think this is the case here, football is basically an inborn thing or talent and I don't believe someone who has football blood running inside of him will neglect football, even plus the fact that footballers earn huge amount of money weekly, taking you for instance, in my country a lot of young star dream here is to play in an international football, so in this aspect, I kind of think that that Brazil is experiencing a decline in the number of born talented footballers that they used to have as compared to what we saw back days of Pele, Ronaldo, and that of Ronaldinho's era.


It's okay to disagree, but think with me, imagine a child who naturally has the gift of playing football, and this gift was not even stimulated in any way because instead of playing sports or having a life consuming football, he was always stimulated in other areas of life, with the internet, games and social networks... in the past there wasn't much access to technology and children had to play with toys and footballs, this was the necessary stimulus to discover the natural gift of football, this discovery today is much more difficult.
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Yes i agree with the guy above me.

Brazil and brasilian tams seems like they lose their soul, they play like a normal team now, its not more that super dance, and samba. All the former brasilian players say the same about this new generation so they have to be in the correct.

Everything has changed, today a football player's priority is to do his marketing on social media, get good contracts and good sponsorships, is to please his followers

The sport has taken a backseat, today in case of defeat, the players go out to celebrate in a good restaurant, as Lucas Paquetá did... There is no patriotic feeling. They don't really care anymore.

I think most Brazilian players have bad habits like night parties and drinking. In fact this has been the case for a long time but they are indeed blessed with extraordinary football talent. They were able to perform at the highest level with their bad habits even though they were inconsistent and only played for a few seasons. The current Brazilian players are even worse. They have social media so this makes them addicted to scrolling and interacting with lots of people and this will make them have no interest in football. I think the Brazilian legends have to do something to overcome Brazil's slump in form.

Mmmm yes but nowadays is better than before or former players, they were worst in that nighlife, they always have problems with thtat but the national team keeps winning and dancing everyone, so i dont think that is the problem they are having today.

Seems to be a much deep crisis, or also most of the teams raise the level and they just are in the same one.
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Well.. this might have been the story 2-3 decades ago, but now the situation has changed significantly. Economic growth during the last one decade or so has been really good and people living in extreme poverty has gone down steeply. Football is still one of the avenues for the poor in favelas to get out of poverty. But it is no longer the "only" avenue. In general, this means that the importance of football for individual Brazilians has gone down. It is a means of entertainment now, and no longer a serious career option.
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That's a very interesting graph.

Indeed things have changed for the better in the last couple of decades for Brazil, and yes, these days there are other ways of making money other than playing football.

I think as you mention, it is still a valid path, but simply there are more ways to do it these days.

Specially online, there are many ways to create things and make money online, even with a smartphone only.
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