Color is silver.
It was painted back to white before the sale.
Topic: Find Trendon Shavers in person thread... [BTCST, BTS&T, pirateat40] - page 18. (Read 81238 times)
February 18, 2013, 11:09:17 AM
Color is silver.
It was painted back to white before the sale.
February 18, 2013, 04:58:50 AM
Wow, pirateat40 couldn't even afford to buy a $35k car with cash. Maybe he hasn't sold the proceeds of BS&T for USD due to fear of attracting attention?
Perhaps more interestingly, he would have had to provide evidence of income to secure the finance.
February 18, 2013, 02:43:19 AM
So what's going to happen now that you have all his information?
February 18, 2013, 02:18:24 AM
2007 BMW -Series: BASE - Model: M5
VIN: WBSNB93567CX07102
Body Style: SEDAN 4 Door 5P
Vehicle Type: Passenger Car
Weight: 4012 lbs
Length: 191.5"
Color: Unknown Most
Current Tag #: TX DM6Z571
Drive Type: RWD
Fuel: GAS 18.5
Gallon Engine: 5.0L V10 NATURALLY ASPIRATED
Lien Holders: JPMORGAN CHASE BANK N. A PO BOX 901098, FORT WORTH, TX 76101-2098 (TARRANT COUNTY)
Lessors: None Found
Color is silver. http://www.autosofdallas.com/web/vehicle_photos/2755100/VIN: WBSNB93567CX07102
Body Style: SEDAN 4 Door 5P
Vehicle Type: Passenger Car
Weight: 4012 lbs
Length: 191.5"
Color: Unknown Most
Current Tag #: TX DM6Z571
Drive Type: RWD
Fuel: GAS 18.5
Gallon Engine: 5.0L V10 NATURALLY ASPIRATED
Lien Holders: JPMORGAN CHASE BANK N. A PO BOX 901098, FORT WORTH, TX 76101-2098 (TARRANT COUNTY)
Lessors: None Found
Confirms that the BMW wasn't owned outright, which is good to know for sure. Looks like he hasn't changed his address with the DMV.
Wow, pirateat40 couldn't even afford to buy a $35k car with cash. Maybe he hasn't sold the proceeds of BS&T for USD due to fear of attracting attention? February 15, 2013, 11:17:58 PM
Confirms that the BMW wasn't owned outright, which is good to know for sure. Looks like he hasn't changed his address with the DMV.
February 15, 2013, 09:33:49 AM
February 15, 2013, 08:32:25 AM
Regardless of whether or not the PPT's were complicit in Trendon Shavor's scheme, there were essentially "feeder funds" for an illegal bitcoin securities fraud and would probably be implicated as such in any civil or criminal prosecution. So clearly there it no incentive for them to participate.
February 15, 2013, 08:24:39 AM
There's no way to know. People may be able to prove that they gave funds to the PPT operators but proving that those funds were handed on to pirate and that he didn't return them to the PPT operators is a different ball-game.
PPT operators could help if they wanted. I admit they don't have much of a reason to, since they didn't really make losses from passing the funds along and were quick to drop all this. All I'm left with is a PM with the deposit address given to me, and a bunch of screenshots I made of my Bitcoinmax account before payb.tc/E&G lost interest in all this. He did not even bother to confirm a PM in which I listed my account statistics.If a PPT did not forward the funds a whole new can of worms will be opened.
February 14, 2013, 09:54:24 PM
Maybe I'm being too pessimistic, but I really doubt anyone reported him at all. I also haven't seen conclusive proof of any serious law inforcement investigations or lawsuits.
I doubt he's too worried about lawsuits. Even if someone fronted the money to sue him and they got a default judgement because he didn't respond, you still have the problem of enforcement - you can't seize assets you can't identify. Law enforcement has broader powers but presumed proceeds of crime aren't necessarily returned to victims.
Tax violations and money laundering would probably get the attention of the authorities if the aim is simply to see him punished rather than to try to recover funds.
February 14, 2013, 09:38:03 PM
I presume people have already reported him to the IRS.
Maybe I'm being too pessimistic, but I really doubt anyone reported him at all. I also haven't seen conclusive proof of any serious law inforcement investigations or lawsuits. If I put myself in Pirate's shoes, I would do exactly what he did: try to stall all repayments as long as possible with all kinds of excuses, and then just wait what happens. Two twings can possibily happen: or people slowly forget about it and I just became a millionaire, or an enormous shitstorm breaks loose, and people track me down. But as soon as they come knocking on my doorstep, I quickly pay all BTC I have left back, and all will be fine.
I think the first thing happened: within a month nobody talked about Pirate anymore, and the worst thing what happened to him was that one forum-member (I think it was BCB) called his dad, and another forum-member placing some pictures of him online.
Now if I had to choose between a million dollar, or my dad receiving a couple of weird phonecalls, I would not feel enough pressure to give up my newly made fortune, and appearantly he doesn't either.
February 14, 2013, 09:18:07 PM
That would be ideal, but the problem is that the SEC won't talk at all about what's going on. It's policy.
I know that they won't talk about the specifics, but they previously acknowledged the existence of an investigation and even acknowledged that it was problematic due to people who were directly affected being unwilling to come forward. It's a long-shot, but they might be willing to confirm whether or not the investigation is still active.
The Texas Securities people remain an option if the SEC investigation has stalled, as do the agencies responsible for investigating computer fraud in general rather than securities violations in particular. Maybe people hung their hopes on the SEC investigation and stopped filing complaints with other agencies who may also have some jurisdiction. I know there's a host of different agencies in the US which investigate computer-related crime - maybe it's time to complain to every single one of them. Hell, maybe it's time for someone to contact their Congress-critter. I presume people have already reported him to the IRS.
February 14, 2013, 09:09:06 PM
If any funds are recovered how would they possibly know who is entitled to any of it without a database of some sort ?
See the GLBSE debacle.
There's no way to know. People may be able to prove that they gave funds to the PPT operators but proving that those funds were handed on to pirate and that he didn't return them to the PPT operators is a different ball-game.
There's every chance that the funds are beyond recovery and the best people can hope for is criminal prosecution of Trendon Shavers. While the SEC won't reveal the progress of their investigation, it might be worth checking whether it's still active or not. Perhaps someone who's previously spoken with them could do that.
I wasn't a passthrough. Pirate sent me a 'permanent deposit address' which anyone can look up on blockchain.info and see the amount of coins that I, personally, sent directly to him.
February 14, 2013, 09:00:20 PM
If any funds are recovered how would they possibly know who is entitled to any of it without a database of some sort ?
See the GLBSE debacle.
There's no way to know. People may be able to prove that they gave funds to the PPT operators but proving that those funds were handed on to pirate and that he didn't return them to the PPT operators is a different ball-game.
There's every chance that the funds are beyond recovery and the best people can hope for is criminal prosecution of Trendon Shavers. While the SEC won't reveal the progress of their investigation, it might be worth checking whether it's still active or not. Perhaps someone who's previously spoken with them could do that.
That would be ideal, but the problem is that the SEC won't talk at all about what's going on. It's policy.
February 14, 2013, 08:46:25 PM
If any funds are recovered how would they possibly know who is entitled to any of it without a database of some sort ?
See the GLBSE debacle.
There's no way to know. People may be able to prove that they gave funds to the PPT operators but proving that those funds were handed on to pirate and that he didn't return them to the PPT operators is a different ball-game.
There's every chance that the funds are beyond recovery and the best people can hope for is criminal prosecution of Trendon Shavers. While the SEC won't reveal the progress of their investigation, it might be worth checking whether it's still active or not. Perhaps someone who's previously spoken with them could do that.
February 14, 2013, 08:34:48 PM
How does one come upon info like this? Does no one care about this info? Come on people.
It's not that people don't care about the information, it's about having a way to make the information useful.
Where there's a will there's a way.
Well you stand to gain thousands of dollars (at least) if you recover the funds. So, now I have given you a will, the way is your job right?
If any funds are recovered how would they possibly know who is entitled to any of it without a database of some sort ?
See the GLBSE debacle.
February 14, 2013, 07:20:34 PM
How does one come upon info like this? Does no one care about this info? Come on people.
It's not that people don't care about the information, it's about having a way to make the information useful.
Where there's a will there's a way.
Well you stand to gain thousands of dollars (at least) if you recover the funds. So, now I have given you a will, the way is your job right?
February 14, 2013, 07:16:35 PM
How does one come upon info like this? Does no one care about this info? Come on people.
It's not that people don't care about the information, it's about having a way to make the information useful.
Where there's a will there's a way.
February 13, 2013, 03:55:30 PM
How does one come upon info like this? Does no one care about this info? Come on people.
It's not that people don't care about the information, it's about having a way to make the information useful.
February 13, 2013, 03:52:51 PM
Got word today he's walking around McKinney like nothing happened. Tells people he works for "Bitcoin."
He did sell the white BMW.
If there was a lien that event would have been an asset recovery opportunity.
What does a used M5 to for these days?
He did sell the white BMW.
If there was a lien that event would have been an asset recovery opportunity.
What does a used M5 to for these days?
I never bought the whole "he was spotted in Thailand" BS for a second.
February 13, 2013, 03:48:21 PM
Evidently interested parties have made it there business to keep tabs on him.
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