first bitmain antminer S10 speculation thread (probably)

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Quote from: fm1984 on November 27, 2017, 05:04:07 PM

Quote from: fanatic26 on November 14, 2017, 04:57:51 PM

I think a lot of people dont quite understand that while these large chip using companies buy lots of processing chips, they are wildly different thant a bitcoin ASIC. Fundamentally, all these companies looking to power portable hardware and are trying to make the least amount of heat and power draw while bitcoin asics are the polar opposite. Asic manufacturers are trying to stuff as much power into a small space as possible. Also, the asic market is tiny, a drop in the bucket compared to what these large chipmakers deal with. There is no real incentive for them to spend all that R&D on a niche market that wont give them much of a return.

Also, imagine if the big companies like samsung, intel, and apple did make a chip and mass produce it. The difficulty would spike like never before and all of you would be complaining that they are flooding the market just like you do with bitmain now.

So do you think it is still good time to buy s9 miner?

Thanks for good advice and explanations!

greetings

Numbers are good, but there are few ways to go. You can order Avalon miner, you can wait for 4 more months and wait to see is 16TH/S Dragonmint miner real(some weird things about there going on just use search), you can order from Baikal(buying through them is hell). Or you can order from Bitmain and wait for 2 months for your S9. Or you can just buy BTC and HODL.

Regarding the S10... As we can see in current moment how S9 works(and numbers associated with that) i don't think they will release it anytime soon(Maybe FAMOUS TULIP MINER Cheesy

that will crush Dragonmint! /s). I really liked ceratin topic that i have seen but can't find it right now. What was spoken there is "they secretly made S10 for themselves, and selling S9s as is) when S9s become obsolete they will start selling S10s.. But hey again this is just a thought(but i liked it Cheesy

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Hm... bitmain website down at the moment, maybe because of all the BCH stuff? :-)

I cant access bitmain too

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Quote from: fanatic26 on November 14, 2017, 04:57:51 PM

I think a lot of people dont quite understand that while these large chip using companies buy lots of processing chips, they are wildly different thant a bitcoin ASIC. Fundamentally, all these companies looking to power portable hardware and are trying to make the least amount of heat and power draw while bitcoin asics are the polar opposite. Asic manufacturers are trying to stuff as much power into a small space as possible. Also, the asic market is tiny, a drop in the bucket compared to what these large chipmakers deal with. There is no real incentive for them to spend all that R&D on a niche market that wont give them much of a return.

Also, imagine if the big companies like samsung, intel, and apple did make a chip and mass produce it. The difficulty would spike like never before and all of you would be complaining that they are flooding the market just like you do with bitmain now.

So do you think it is still good time to buy s9 miner?

Thanks for good advice and explanations!

greetings

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Quote from: Khurram Bin Kamal on August 27, 2017, 04:23:10 PM

I think you know nothing about Bitmain mining machines and you are such a novice to mining machine segment and was not accepting this type of statement from a legendary member that bitmain only manufactures a couple of thousand miners each batch WHAT A JOKE
Bitmain has currently 3 active models S9,L3+ and D3 and if you look at bitmain Chinese website and have a common sense to use a Google translator you will know that in each batch their are around 5000 miners and with 3 to 4 batch released every month for each batch it makes around 45000 miners only for Chinese market and the same quantity for international market it make around 80k to 90k miners and if you multiply it by 189 and 288 chips for some models you will get a hell lot a figure not as big as APPLE but a substantial number.

Nice reply, I'm with you Kamal on this. You clearly know what you're talking about. I have been in the ASIC business for 30 years and have done over a dozen tapeouts with TSMC.

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Quote from: fanatic26 on November 14, 2017, 04:57:51 PM

I think a lot of people dont quite understand that while these large chip using companies buy lots of processing chips, they are wildly different thant a bitcoin ASIC. Fundamentally, all these companies looking to power portable hardware and are trying to make the least amount of heat and power draw while bitcoin asics are the polar opposite. Asic manufacturers are trying to stuff as much power into a small space as possible. Also, the asic market is tiny, a drop in the bucket compared to what these large chipmakers deal with. There is no real incentive for them to spend all that R&D on a niche market that wont give them much of a return.

Also, imagine if the big companies like samsung, intel, and apple did make a chip and mass produce it. The difficulty would spike like never before and all of you would be complaining that they are flooding the market just like you do with bitmain now.

One of the few times a post is so spot-on I've quoted the entire thing

As you said, these smaller and smaller nodes and the processes of making them are targeting very complex LOW POWER applications. In most cases such as the Arm Cortex, entire Systems On a Chip (SOC's) that even running full-tilt consume less that 0.5 watts. That does not easily translate into a shitload of simple but densely-packed SHA cores on a chip sucking in over 10W...

Plus, as ya said: Diff would go through the roof. Be careful of what you wish for without thinking it through - you just might get it...

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Quote from: maxpetrusenko on November 11, 2017, 03:24:35 PM

It's been awhile of no news about s10
anyone heard anything?

I waiting here to buy those s10 antminers

You're probably going to die before a S10 model shows up - as has already been explained.

S11 - likely to be a while unless Bitmain decides to do a "new model" on the same 14/16 nm node but on one of the "newer more efficient" process varients - for a fairly SMALL gain in efficiency.

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I think a lot of people dont quite understand that while these large chip using companies buy lots of processing chips, they are wildly different thant a bitcoin ASIC. Fundamentally, all these companies looking to power portable hardware and are trying to make the least amount of heat and power draw while bitcoin asics are the polar opposite. Asic manufacturers are trying to stuff as much power into a small space as possible. Also, the asic market is tiny, a drop in the bucket compared to what these large chipmakers deal with. There is no real incentive for them to spend all that R&D on a niche market that wont give them much of a return.

Also, imagine if the big companies like samsung, intel, and apple did make a chip and mass produce it. The difficulty would spike like never before and all of you would be complaining that they are flooding the market just like you do with bitmain now.

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Put it all on the line and go for broke

I would think that by now Samsung and the other big firms would be making better chips but they are probably NOT going to put them on the market because it would seem like money laundering. I am over the s9. It's still profitable now but it will be a dinosaur by the time a new one comes out. I hope it will be 25-30 THS and hopefully, it will lower power consumption.

Shit, imagine what Apple could do (or possibly they have done) with their version of a bitcoin ASIC. It would probably be faster and with low power consumption.

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Hope you packed for a long stay as nothing on the Horizon at all.

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It's been awhile of no news about s10
anyone heard anything?

I waiting here to buy those s10 antminers

accssg

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All the predictions and speculations were in the same S9 to 14 TH @ 100WxTH ...

Let's wait for the first semester of 2018, at least let's reach 10 nm.

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I would really like bitmain to bring back a home miner

The world has run out of hosting and you cant run
S9's at home and stay married.

Why cant bitmain keep their promise from a few years
back and make new boards for the old S2's.

Today, I rummaged through the garage and dug
out an old S2, opened it up, blew it out and decided
to run 6 boards in it, to give more space between them.

PSU flashed up nicely, then decided to see how it ran
without the lid on and fans disconnected, it ran too hot.
So reconnected the two intake fans only and put the lid back
on. It is running great, 50 degrees and very quite considering

Now 6 boards/blades with current chips would work
great, probably around 1TH per board, making this a
true home miner, and could do what the earlier miners
do, ie home heating, you could mine at home and
still remain married

I am sure there would be enough demand for the boards
and they should not be too hard to make, and they would
be cheaper to ship and you could buy a few at a time and
get around customs duties as well

Win, Win, Win all round

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Quote from: hellokalaco on September 28, 2017, 05:34:20 PM

Quote from: eprocent on September 28, 2017, 02:19:56 PM

Quote from: Wipro on September 13, 2017, 12:09:11 PM

Quote from: eprocent on September 12, 2017, 04:49:09 PM

Very interesting this informations about the new Bitmain miner S10. Thanks for infos. I await the official informations.

Buddy it is not been introduced to any place or any location. Please wait about it's releasing date and official announcement about the this information. I think this discussion is not necessary as of now.
There was thread some days before in reddit to discuss about the same information but no detailed information there too.

I just read a spanish article about Ant S10 but without an official announcement. They say that in this time (Q3, Q4 2017) is posible to come out in marketplace antminer S10.

where did you see it?

I see the news in a steemit, but is just a speculation, not an official announce.
https://steemit.com/especulacion/@btchispano/especulacion-antminer-s10
About the release date of antminer S10 I think need to await an official announcement. All news today are just speculations about official releasing date.

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Quote from: eprocent on September 28, 2017, 02:19:56 PM

Quote from: Wipro on September 13, 2017, 12:09:11 PM

Quote from: eprocent on September 12, 2017, 04:49:09 PM

Very interesting this informations about the new Bitmain miner S10. Thanks for infos. I await the official informations.

Buddy it is not been introduced to any place or any location. Please wait about it's releasing date and official announcement about the this information. I think this discussion is not necessary as of now.
There was thread some days before in reddit to discuss about the same information but no detailed information there too.

I just read a spanish article about Ant S10 but without an official announcement. They say that in this time (Q3, Q4 2017) is posible to come out in marketplace antminer S10.

where did you see it?

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Quote from: Wipro on September 13, 2017, 12:09:11 PM

Quote from: eprocent on September 12, 2017, 04:49:09 PM

Very interesting this informations about the new Bitmain miner S10. Thanks for infos. I await the official informations.

Buddy it is not been introduced to any place or any location. Please wait about it's releasing date and official announcement about the this information. I think this discussion is not necessary as of now.
There was thread some days before in reddit to discuss about the same information but no detailed information there too.

I just read a spanish article about Ant S10 but without an official announcement. They say that in this time (Q3, Q4 2017) is posible to come out in marketplace antminer S10.

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Block Hunting

https://news.bitcoin.com/gmo-to-invest-10-billion-yen-in-its-own-7-nm-5-nm-and-3-5-nm-dedicated-bitcoin-mining-chips/

Looks like 7nm, 5nm and 3.5nm are all on the cards.

This could turn the mining industry from the hands of the many into the hands of the few. (not that were not heading in that direction anyway)

I also don't think there timeframe is realistic enough and dose not comply with moors law.

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Quote from: eprocent on September 12, 2017, 04:49:09 PM

Very interesting this informations about the new Bitmain miner S10. Thanks for infos. I await the official informations.

Buddy it is not been introduced to any place or any location. Please wait about it's releasing date and official announcement about the this information. I think this discussion is not necessary as of now.
There was thread some days before in reddit to discuss about the same information but no detailed information there too.

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I guess that we won't hear anything about next gen miners from Bitmain this year.

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Very interesting this informations about the new Bitmain miner S10. Thanks for infos. I await the official informations.

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Quote from: trackers on September 08, 2017, 04:29:06 AM

Quote from: lottery248 on May 28, 2016, 08:16:53 PM

so everyone is predicting with the antminer S9, right? even though S9 is ready to release, i am a bit curious about if the newer version of antminer is gonna release like S10 as mentioned. if nobody has had posted anything ever regarding the S10, then this will be the first ever thread.

if you wanna speculate with the S10, please leave some of the guess here.

i would guess about specification...

this miner will be released in the early Q2 2017, after the S9 is released.

for mining power, at least 15 Terahash/s at 150W each Terahash; because the production of chips will probably be done in Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation - TSMC (at my prediction, 10 nanometer).

Still waiting.... Is there anywhere to get some news? Not a lot of info from Bitmain these days

You quote a year old post why?

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