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I can back up what i m saying by directly challenging him to a game of Rocket Crash where i hold only 2 tickets while you hold 1 ticket and i can prove that i will beat you way better than the ratio of 2:1, proving the point that the higher number of tickets gives a more of an exponential than a proportional edge over competition. This has been tested by ourselves many times over, that s why the ticket prices rise exponentially and not linearly.

It would need to be better than a 3:1 win ratio to prove your point (I spend 1, you spend 1 + 2).

Let's say you bought 10 tickets though and 10 other people each bought 1 ticket.

Let's also just say first ticket costs $1 for simplicity.

You would spend a total of $1,023 on your 10 tickets and the other 10 players would spend $1 each, so the total spent on tickets would be $1,033.

$1,033 total spent
3% fee = $30.99
Prizepool = $1002.01

You would have a very high chance of successfully turning your $1,023 into $1002.01.




Spending doesn t work like that. The formula for tickets' cost is 2 pow (n-1), where n is the number of tickets bought, so if you buy 1 ticket it costs you 1 Betcoin (1 Betcoin = 0.0001 Bitcoins). If i buy 2 tickets it costs me 2 Betcoins.
Now, if we bet against each other EVERY time, i would put down 2, you would put down 1, so 3 in total. If we keep betting continuously like this, Betroom's fee would be equal to the ticket's cost in 33 and 1/3 games. So, in order for me to be profitable i would need to break out of the 2:1 ratio, which holds me captive in an equal risk/return loop, PLUS Betroom's fee per game. To make up for Betroom's fee i would need an advantage of 3% of the 3 tickets, that is 9% of your ticket. So, every game i need a 9% advantage over you to break even, that is, i need an additional win every 11 games, leading to a 2.27:1 ratio - let s round it up to a 2.3:1 ratio. That s ONLY a 15% advantage over the 2:1 ratio, far from your 3:1 ratio, to start making money. Our tests indicate that every 25 games, with a 2:1 ticket ratio, you get a 18.5:6.5 ratio, that is roughly 2.85:1. At this pace you MAKE money. So, if you want to test this with me we can go ahead and do it, if not, do revise your negative review over my website, a review that was not even tested before it was put up.
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In the rocket game, if 10 people bought 1 ticket each, and you bought 11 tickets total, how much would you spend for the 11 tickets, and how much would the prize be if you won.  

Same scenario, but you bought 12 tickets instead of 11.  How much would the 12 tickets cost, and what would the prize be.

10 people bought 1 ticket each means 10 Betcoins
1 person buying 11 tickets that is 1024 Betcoins
total pot = 1034 Betcoins

10 people bought 1 ticket each means 10 Betcoins
1 person buying 12 tickets that is 2048 Betcoins
total pot = 2058 Betcoins

It s the same calculation as before, but the ratio does not get in a 2:1 since the tickets' ratio is 11/10 and 12/10 respectively. If you want to get into a 2:1 ratio with the rest, and get an almost 50% advantage, you need the BIG bucks to do it, otherwise play along with the rest. This is what i tried to achieve here from the onset.
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I can back up what i m saying by directly challenging him to a game of Rocket Crash where i hold only 2 tickets while you hold 1 ticket and i can prove that i will beat you way better than the ratio of 2:1, proving the point that the higher number of tickets gives a more of an exponential than a proportional edge over competition. This has been tested by ourselves many times over, that s why the ticket prices rise exponentially and not linearly.

It would need to be better than a 3:1 win ratio to prove your point (I spend 1, you spend 1 + 2).

Let's say you bought 10 tickets though and 10 other people each bought 1 ticket.

Let's also just say first ticket costs $1 for simplicity.

You would spend a total of $1,023 on your 10 tickets and the other 10 players would spend $1 each, so the total spent on tickets would be $1,033.

$1,033 total spent
3% fee = $30.99
Prizepool = $1002.01

You would have a very high chance of successfully turning your $1,023 into $1002.01.




Spending doesn t work like that. The formula for tickets' cost is 2 pow (n-1), where n is the number of tickets bought, so if you buy 1 ticket it costs you 1 Betcoin (1 Betcoin = 0.0001 Bitcoins). If i buy 2 tickets it costs me 2 Betcoins.
Now, if we bet against each other EVERY time, i would put down 2, you would put down 1, so 3 in total. If we keep betting continuously like this, Betroom's fee would be equal to the ticket's cost in 33 and 1/3 games. So, in order for me to be profitable i would need to break out of the 2:1 ratio, which holds me captive in an equal risk/return loop, PLUS Betroom's fee per game. To make up for Betroom's fee i would need an advantage of 3% of the 3 tickets, that is 9% of your ticket. So, every game i need a 9% advantage over you to break even, that is, i need an additional win every 11 games, leading to a 2.27:1 ratio - let s round it up to a 2.3:1 ratio. That s ONLY a 15% advantage over the 2:1 ratio, far from your 3:1 ratio, to start making money. Our tests indicate that every 25 games, with a 2:1 ticket ratio, you get a 18.5:6.5 ratio, that is roughly 2.85:1. At this pace you MAKE money. So, if you want to test this with me we can go ahead and do it, if not, do revise your negative review over my website, a review that was not even tested before it was put up.
Direct question:
In the rocket game, if 10 people bought 1 ticket each, and you bought 11 tickets total, how much would you spend for the 11 tickets, and how much would the prize be if you won.  

Same scenario, but you bought 12 tickets instead of 11.  How much would the 12 tickets cost, and what would the prize be.
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Looks cool, any promo codes?

Thank you so much. We don t have any promos, we are a 100% Peer-to-Peer betting website, there s no house, we only take a 3% fee off of ticket sales. Once the platform generates more interest i will add gifts. For the moment, since we are at the very beginning, we do not have promotions.
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I can back up what i m saying by directly challenging him to a game of Rocket Crash where i hold only 2 tickets while you hold 1 ticket and i can prove that i will beat you way better than the ratio of 2:1, proving the point that the higher number of tickets gives a more of an exponential than a proportional edge over competition. This has been tested by ourselves many times over, that s why the ticket prices rise exponentially and not linearly.

It would need to be better than a 3:1 win ratio to prove your point (I spend 1, you spend 1 + 2).

Let's say you bought 10 tickets though and 10 other people each bought 1 ticket.

Let's also just say first ticket costs $1 for simplicity.

You would spend a total of $1,023 on your 10 tickets and the other 10 players would spend $1 each, so the total spent on tickets would be $1,033.

$1,033 total spent
3% fee = $30.99
Prizepool = $1002.01

You would have a very high chance of successfully turning your $1,023 into $1002.01.




Spending doesn t work like that. The formula for tickets' cost is 2 pow (n-1), where n is the number of tickets bought, so if you buy 1 ticket it costs you 1 Betcoin (1 Betcoin = 0.0001 Bitcoins). If i buy 2 tickets it costs me 2 Betcoins.
Now, if we bet against each other EVERY time, i would put down 2, you would put down 1, so 3 in total. If we keep betting continuously like this, Betroom's fee would be equal to the ticket's cost in 33 and 1/3 games. So, in order for me to be profitable i would need to break out of the 2:1 ratio, which holds me captive in an equal risk/return loop, PLUS Betroom's fee per game. To make up for Betroom's fee i would need an advantage of 3% of the 3 tickets, that is 9% of your ticket. So, every game i need a 9% advantage over you to break even, that is, i need an additional win every 11 games, leading to a 2.27:1 ratio - let s round it up to a 2.3:1 ratio. That s ONLY a 15% advantage over the 2:1 ratio, far from your 3:1 ratio, to start making money. Our tests indicate that every 25 games, with a 2:1 ticket ratio, you get a 18.5:6.5 ratio, that is roughly 2.85:1. At this pace you MAKE money. So, if you want to test this with me we can go ahead and do it, if not, do revise your negative review over my website, a review that was not even tested before it was put up.
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Looks cool, any promo codes?
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I can back up what i m saying by directly challenging him to a game of Rocket Crash where i hold only 2 tickets while you hold 1 ticket and i can prove that i will beat you way better than the ratio of 2:1, proving the point that the higher number of tickets gives a more of an exponential than a proportional edge over competition. This has been tested by ourselves many times over, that s why the ticket prices rise exponentially and not linearly.

It would need to be better than a 3:1 win ratio to prove your point (I spend 1, you spend 1 + 2).

Let's say you bought 10 tickets though and 10 other people each bought 1 ticket.

Let's also just say first ticket costs $1 for simplicity.

You would spend a total of $1,023 on your 10 tickets and the other 10 players would spend $1 each, so the total spent on tickets would be $1,033.

$1,033 total spent
3% fee = $30.99
Prizepool = $1002.01

You would have a very high chance of successfully turning your $1,023 into $1002.01.

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1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake.

How is this different than a poker tournament that costs $100 to enter and $97 goes to the prize pool, 3% to the house.

Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly

Huh?  If there are 10 players who each bought the same amount of tickets, would they not each have a 10% chance to win?\

Poker tournament - 9 players and a dealer with a LIMITED pot

Betroom's games - UNLIMITED number of players with an UNLIMITED pot
  

     Everything else, relate to my last reply.


Poker tournament, unlimited players with unlimited prize pool, there is no dealer if it's online, they use software...same as you.

Also Betroom's games are FAST - a game starts every 20 seconds allowing a winner every 20 seconds. A feat that NO other website is capable of providing.
Poker games take forever to complete while our games complete at an average rate of 20 seconds.

Now you suddenly shifted from comparing traditional casinos where people bet against the house to a single game "poker". It is indeed close to online poker tournaments but it s far different from it, from gameplay to rate of games played per minute.

Now you are starting to realise the GENIUS in Betroom. That is a good thing.

All I'm saying is that with a 3% fee, each ticket is worth 97% of the price, so the more tickets you buy, the more you lose.  Buying more tickets for one game will increase your chances of winning, but it won't make you more successful.  It doesn't matter how much you spend, 3% of it will go to you and the rest will go to the players.

You're the owner of the site right? 

"Buying more tickets for one game will increase your chances of winning, but it won't make you more successful."

WHAT is that? Increasing the chances of success WILL and DOES make you more successful in all walks of life, the MORE you put in, the MORE you get out of it. There are some concepts in life that you seem to NOT understand. I am unsure if it s your desire to overlook them or pure lack of knowledge, but before making statements, please go on and study the matter in question. Of course it matters how much you spend, if you spend more you CAN become more successful.

No.

Risking $1 to win $100 1% of the time and risking $100 to make $1 99% of the time will be equally 'successful' bets.

The only thing that changes is variance. 

Buying more tickets allows you to win more often, but your profit will be less than if you bought just one ticket.  This is basic stuff here.

You certainly did NOT understand the games i built that combine skill with a random number generator proving classic statistics to be inaccurate the least. I can back up what i m saying by directly challenging him to a game of Rocket Crash where i hold only 2 tickets while you hold 1 ticket and i can prove that i will beat you way better than the ratio of 2:1, proving the point that the higher number of tickets gives a more of an exponential than a proportional edge over competition. This has been tested by ourselves many times over, that s why the ticket prices rise exponentially and not linearly.
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1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake.

How is this different than a poker tournament that costs $100 to enter and $97 goes to the prize pool, 3% to the house.

Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly

Huh?  If there are 10 players who each bought the same amount of tickets, would they not each have a 10% chance to win?\

Poker tournament - 9 players and a dealer with a LIMITED pot

Betroom's games - UNLIMITED number of players with an UNLIMITED pot
  

     Everything else, relate to my last reply.


Poker tournament, unlimited players with unlimited prize pool, there is no dealer if it's online, they use software...same as you.

Also Betroom's games are FAST - a game starts every 20 seconds allowing a winner every 20 seconds. A feat that NO other website is capable of providing.
Poker games take forever to complete while our games complete at an average rate of 20 seconds.

Now you suddenly shifted from comparing traditional casinos where people bet against the house to a single game "poker". It is indeed close to online poker tournaments but it s far different from it, from gameplay to rate of games played per minute.

Now you are starting to realise the GENIUS in Betroom. That is a good thing.

All I'm saying is that with a 3% fee, each ticket is worth 97% of the price, so the more tickets you buy, the more you lose.  Buying more tickets for one game will increase your chances of winning, but it won't make you more successful.  It doesn't matter how much you spend, 3% of it will go to you and the rest will go to the players.

You're the owner of the site right? 

"Buying more tickets for one game will increase your chances of winning, but it won't make you more successful."

WHAT is that? Increasing the chances of success WILL and DOES make you more successful in all walks of life, the MORE you put in, the MORE you get out of it. There are some concepts in life that you seem to NOT understand. I am unsure if it s your desire to overlook them or pure lack of knowledge, but before making statements, please go on and study the matter in question. Of course it matters how much you spend, if you spend more you CAN become more successful.

No.

Risking $1 to win $100 1% of the time and risking $100 to make $1 99% of the time will be equally 'successful' bets.

The only thing that changes is variance. 

Buying more tickets allows you to win more often, but your profit will be less than if you bought just one ticket.  This is basic stuff here.
By saying:
"Risking $1 to win $100 1% of the time and risking $100 to make $1 99% of the time will be equally 'successful' bets."

You are just rolling numbers around like balls in an 8-ball game. If i run 1 mile north and 3 miles south i m running 25% of the times north and 75% of the times south. This is why you have a brain, to ANALYZE the pot and what others are doing to know what position you take against the others.

Now replying to this:

"Buying more tickets allows you to win more often, but your profit will be less than if you bought just one ticket.  This is basic stuff here."

Let s play the coin tossing game, you allow me 10 free strikes against you while you have a single one against me so that a game ends after 11 strikes, 10 for me 1 for you. It s needless to say that i beat the crap out of you 10 out of 11 times. Doesn t this make me a winner? If this doesnt, what else will?
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1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake.

How is this different than a poker tournament that costs $100 to enter and $97 goes to the prize pool, 3% to the house.

Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly

Huh?  If there are 10 players who each bought the same amount of tickets, would they not each have a 10% chance to win?\

Poker tournament - 9 players and a dealer with a LIMITED pot

Betroom's games - UNLIMITED number of players with an UNLIMITED pot
  

     Everything else, relate to my last reply.


Poker tournament, unlimited players with unlimited prize pool, there is no dealer if it's online, they use software...same as you.

Also Betroom's games are FAST - a game starts every 20 seconds allowing a winner every 20 seconds. A feat that NO other website is capable of providing.
Poker games take forever to complete while our games complete at an average rate of 20 seconds.

Now you suddenly shifted from comparing traditional casinos where people bet against the house to a single game "poker". It is indeed close to online poker tournaments but it s far different from it, from gameplay to rate of games played per minute.

Now you are starting to realise the GENIUS in Betroom. That is a good thing.

All I'm saying is that with a 3% fee, each ticket is worth 97% of the price, so the more tickets you buy, the more you lose.  Buying more tickets for one game will increase your chances of winning, but it won't make you more successful.  It doesn't matter how much you spend, 3% of it will go to you and the rest will go to the players.

You're the owner of the site right? 

"Buying more tickets for one game will increase your chances of winning, but it won't make you more successful."

WHAT is that? Increasing the chances of success WILL and DOES make you more successful in all walks of life, the MORE you put in, the MORE you get out of it. There are some concepts in life that you seem to NOT understand. I am unsure if it s your desire to overlook them or pure lack of knowledge, but before making statements, please go on and study the matter in question. Of course it matters how much you spend, if you spend more you CAN become more successful.

No.

Risking $1 to win $100 1% of the time and risking $100 to make $1 99% of the time will be equally 'successful' bets.

The only thing that changes is variance. 

Buying more tickets allows you to win more often, but your profit will be less than if you bought just one ticket.  This is basic stuff here.
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1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake.

How is this different than a poker tournament that costs $100 to enter and $97 goes to the prize pool, 3% to the house.

Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly

Huh?  If there are 10 players who each bought the same amount of tickets, would they not each have a 10% chance to win?\

Poker tournament - 9 players and a dealer with a LIMITED pot

Betroom's games - UNLIMITED number of players with an UNLIMITED pot
  

     Everything else, relate to my last reply.


Poker tournament, unlimited players with unlimited prize pool, there is no dealer if it's online, they use software...same as you.

Also Betroom's games are FAST - a game starts every 20 seconds allowing a winner every 20 seconds. A feat that NO other website is capable of providing.
Poker games take forever to complete while our games complete at an average rate of 20 seconds.

Now you suddenly shifted from comparing traditional casinos where people bet against the house to a single game "poker". It is indeed close to online poker tournaments but it s far different from it, from gameplay to rate of games played per minute.

Now you are starting to realise the GENIUS in Betroom. That is a good thing.

All I'm saying is that with a 3% fee, each ticket is worth 97% of the price, so the more tickets you buy, the more you lose.  Buying more tickets for one game will increase your chances of winning, but it won't make you more successful.  It doesn't matter how much you spend, 3% of it will go to you and the rest will go to the players.

You're the owner of the site right? 

"Buying more tickets for one game will increase your chances of winning, but it won't make you more successful."

WHAT is that? Increasing the chances of success WILL and DOES make you more successful in all walks of life, the MORE you put in, the MORE you get out of it. There are some concepts in life that you seem to NOT understand. I am unsure if it s your desire to overlook them or pure lack of knowledge, but before making statements, please go on and study the matter in question. Of course it matters how much you spend, if you spend more you CAN become more successful.
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1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake.

How is this different than a poker tournament that costs $100 to enter and $97 goes to the prize pool, 3% to the house.

Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly

Huh?  If there are 10 players who each bought the same amount of tickets, would they not each have a 10% chance to win?\

Poker tournament - 9 players and a dealer with a LIMITED pot

Betroom's games - UNLIMITED number of players with an UNLIMITED pot
  

     Everything else, relate to my last reply.


Poker tournament, unlimited players with unlimited prize pool, there is no dealer if it's online, they use software...same as you.

Betroom allows players to increase their odds, as i said, by buying more tickets.

You also said:
Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games

And there are poker tournaments that allow players to buy in unlimited times.

Buying back in is not always the case in poker, but buying more tickets with Betroom is ALWAYS a possibility for the taking. Buying back in in poker is totally different than buying more tickets with Betroom. In a poker tournament if you buy back in and anyone can buy back in, the chances of winning stay the same, but with Betroom one can have "more" buy ins per event/session to increase the chances of success for that particular event/session
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1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake.

How is this different than a poker tournament that costs $100 to enter and $97 goes to the prize pool, 3% to the house.

Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly

Huh?  If there are 10 players who each bought the same amount of tickets, would they not each have a 10% chance to win?\

Poker tournament - 9 players and a dealer with a LIMITED pot

Betroom's games - UNLIMITED number of players with an UNLIMITED pot
  

     Everything else, relate to my last reply.


Poker tournament, unlimited players with unlimited prize pool, there is no dealer if it's online, they use software...same as you.

Also Betroom's games are FAST - a game starts every 20 seconds allowing a winner every 20 seconds. A feat that NO other website is capable of providing.
Poker games take forever to complete while our games complete at an average rate of 20 seconds.

Now you suddenly shifted from comparing traditional casinos where people bet against the house to a single game "poker". It is indeed close to online poker tournaments but it s far different from it, from gameplay to rate of games played per minute.

Now you are starting to realise the GENIUS in Betroom. That is a good thing.

All I'm saying is that with a 3% fee, each ticket is worth 97% of the price, so the more tickets you buy, the more you lose.  Buying more tickets for one game will increase your chances of winning, but it won't make you more successful.  It doesn't matter how much you spend, 3% of it will go to you and the rest will go to the players.

You're the owner of the site right? 
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1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake.

How is this different than a poker tournament that costs $100 to enter and $97 goes to the prize pool, 3% to the house.

Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly

Huh?  If there are 10 players who each bought the same amount of tickets, would they not each have a 10% chance to win?\

Poker tournament - 9 players and a dealer with a LIMITED pot

Betroom's games - UNLIMITED number of players with an UNLIMITED pot
  

     Everything else, relate to my last reply.


Poker tournament, unlimited players with unlimited prize pool, there is no dealer if it's online, they use software...same as you.

Also Betroom's games are FAST - a game starts every 20 seconds allowing a winner every 20 seconds. A feat that NO other website is capable of providing.
Poker games take forever to complete while our games complete at an average rate of 20 seconds.

Now you suddenly shifted from comparing traditional casinos where people bet against the house to a single game "poker". It is indeed close to online poker tournaments but it s far different from it, from gameplay to rate of games played per minute.

Now you are starting to realise the GENIUS in Betroom. That is a good thing.
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1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake.

How is this different than a poker tournament that costs $100 to enter and $97 goes to the prize pool, 3% to the house.

Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly

Huh?  If there are 10 players who each bought the same amount of tickets, would they not each have a 10% chance to win?\

Poker tournament - 9 players and a dealer with a LIMITED pot

Betroom's games - UNLIMITED number of players with an UNLIMITED pot
  

     Everything else, relate to my last reply.


Poker tournament, unlimited players with unlimited prize pool, there is no dealer if it's online, they use software...same as you.

Betroom allows players to increase their odds, as i said, by buying more tickets.

You also said:
Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games

And there are poker tournaments that allow players to buy in unlimited times.
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1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake.

How is this different than a poker tournament that costs $100 to enter and $97 goes to the prize pool, 3% to the house.

Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly

Huh?  If there are 10 players who each bought the same amount of tickets, would they not each have a 10% chance to win?\

Poker tournament - 9 players and a dealer with a LIMITED pot

Betroom's games - UNLIMITED number of players with an UNLIMITED pot
  

     Everything else, relate to my last reply.


Poker tournament, unlimited players with unlimited prize pool, there is no dealer if it's online, they use software...same as you.

Betroom allows players to increase their odds, as i said, by buying more tickets.
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1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake.

How is this different than a poker tournament that costs $100 to enter and $97 goes to the prize pool, 3% to the house.
people buy tickets to participate in a game; buying more tickets offers more chances of winning the pot
True, but the more you buy, the lower your return on investment will be.

The value will remain the same though, each ticket sold is worth 97% of whatever they paid for it.

Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly

Huh?  If there are 10 players who each bought the same amount of tickets, would they not each have a 10% chance to win?\

Return on investment decreases but chances of success increase, it s a trade people have to take and trades you take in all walks of life from buying your groceries to the very existence itself, it s called "conservation of energy", a concept i fully recommend you to study about.

If people will buy the same amount of tickets, indeed the odds of winning would be the same for all of them but that s why Betroom offers them the possibility to buy more, to increase their odds. Increasing the odds comes with a cost - increasing the risk. Betroom doubles the price for each additional ticket bought to not offer a single person the possibility to buy all possible outcomes, therefore ALWAYS giving others the possibility of winning the pot.
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1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake.

How is this different than a poker tournament that costs $100 to enter and $97 goes to the prize pool, 3% to the house.

Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly

Huh?  If there are 10 players who each bought the same amount of tickets, would they not each have a 10% chance to win?\

Poker tournament - 9 players and a dealer with a LIMITED pot

Betroom's games - UNLIMITED number of players with an UNLIMITED pot
  

     Everything else, relate to my last reply.


Poker tournament, unlimited players with unlimited prize pool, there is no dealer if it's online, they use software...same as you.
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1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake.

How is this different than a poker tournament that costs $100 to enter and $97 goes to the prize pool, 3% to the house.

Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly

Huh?  If there are 10 players who each bought the same amount of tickets, would they not each have a 10% chance to win?\

Poker tournament - 9 players and a dealer with a LIMITED pot

Betroom's games - UNLIMITED number of players with an UNLIMITED pot
  

     Everything else, relate to my last reply.
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1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake.

How is this different than a poker tournament that costs $100 to enter and $97 goes to the prize pool, 3% to the house.
people buy tickets to participate in a game; buying more tickets offers more chances of winning the pot
True, but the more you buy, the lower your return on investment will be.

The value will remain the same though, each ticket sold is worth 97% of whatever they paid for it.

Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly

Huh?  If there are 10 players who each bought the same amount of tickets, would they not each have a 10% chance to win?\
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3. There is a way that people can increase their chances of success - buying more tickets. The more tickets you buy, the more chances you have to win the pot. To keep things fair, each additional ticket purchased costs double than the previous one.

With a 3% fee, each ticket is worth 97% of the price, so the more tickets you buy, the more you lose, right?

It s called a SERVICE fee, and compared to the 97% that traditional casinos rip from total players' betting pool, the 3% is nothing in comparison. Since we don t have any odds of winning in the games, we only charge a small service fee, half of what ticket sellers charge for concert tickets. But buying more tickets increases your chances of winning the pot as well.

In poker tournaments they call it an entry fee, at poker cash games they call it rake, at bacarrat they call it a commission.

In the end, the only difference between taking a fee or having an edge is variance.

3% fee = every single day the players will overall lose 3% over whatever the risk.  The more they risk, the more they lose.  The more they lose, the more you profit.

3% edge has variance, but over time same result.  

There's nothing wrong with this, it's how gambling works.  You should make money, especially if you offer a good product.

But telling players that the more they risk the more success they will have, and that's what makes your site different than all the others, means you're either dishonest or ignorant.

It is clear that you have absolutely NO idea of how our website is built and how the games are built as well and you still keep on commenting from your position of total lack of knowledge.

I will quote you what it s written on the website cause if your lack of desire to understand the product, pure ignorance or solely laziness didn t make you want to understand the product and still comment on it, then i thought i would post the explanation for you here directly:

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Hey guys, My name is Catalin, i m the owner and developer of this web app. There are a few things i want to share with you such that people will understand better why i chose this route.

1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake. It is a commission similar to concert ticket sellers/re-sellers or any other type of ticket selling business. And to be honest, 3% is 3 cents per dollar which is half what ticket resellers charge for selling tickets.

Another assumption that i want to tackle is that "Betroom is making money while players are losing money". Risk exists in anything we do, from eating our daily meals, going to work to brushing our teeth, therefore risk exists and it cannot be avoided. But it CAN be mitigated. Traditional casinos have no such interest because their bet is against the player, winning when the player loses, therefore making every possible move to increase their odds against the player. Aside from that, what are the odds a player has to predict an event correctly? The answer is simple, 100% divided by the number of possible outcomes. While a coin toss would yield a 50% chance of winning, a lottery game (6/49) would only give the player 1 chance out of 13,983,816 possible combinations to win the pot. It is fair to say that the casino wins EVERY time. Here BETROOM comes into play. I have designed all games such that players do not have to beat the odds to win the pot, they have to be better than the rest of the participants. Let s take Betroom's Stock Market Mania game. In the real stock market, losing money does not get you anywhere, except to being broke. Here, at Betroom, you can finish the trading session with less than the starting capital and still win the pot; you just have to lose LESS than the others to WIN the pot. This is the beauty of it, you don t have to be Nostradamus to make money, you just have to be better than your competition. Let s take another example, Betroom's Keno Frenzy game, the one who matches the most numbers takes the pot. The Rocket Crash game is no less better than the other games Betroom prides itself with; the winner is the player that jumps last off the rocket before it crashes. Betroom is NOT demanding its players to be foreseers, it demands them to be just better than their peers to win HUGE pots costing them less than 1$ per ticket. What game exists out there where people that have a losing score are being paid huge jackpots? NONE, i can tell you that!

While traditional casinos demand you to be RIGHT every time to win, Betroom demands you be better than the rest of your peers to win. Your chances of success are now 100% divided by the number of players which is quite different than 100% divided by 13,983,816. Also if you buy MORE tickets then your chances of success increase proportionally.

3. There is a way that people can increase their chances of success - buying more tickets. The more tickets you buy, the more chances you have to win the pot. To keep things fair, each additional ticket purchased costs double than the previous one.

4. Betroom's games are fast paced, giving its players the opportunity to win large amounts of money in a matter of seconds, every 20 seconds on average.

5. Last but NOT least, EVERYONE at Betroom is considered equal to everyone else, everyone is Joe. Betroom IS impartial, Betroom does NOT favour anyone, Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly, Betroom WANTS its players to win so that they become rich, independent, loyal and start trusting the concept, the work and dedication behind it. Betroom IS player-centric, finding itself at the opposing end of traditional casinos which are casino-centric.

Guys, i am really really really EXCITED to put this forth and i hope you can all see the BEAUTY of it the same as i did when i created it!

Yours truly, Joe.
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Regarding the 3% service fee. That fee increases PROPORTIONALLY to the number of tickets you buy. If you desire to increase your risk, the proportion STILL remains the same, it does not increase, only the amount increases. But this comes into play when you desire to have greater odds than the rest.

All games on the Betroom platform are designed in the following way:
         - people buy tickets to participate in a game; buying more tickets offers more chances of winning the pot
         - 3% of the tickets' price represents the service fee that goes to Betroom while the rest of 97% of the tickets' price is added to the pot
         -each game allows for an unlimited amount of players, therefore an unlimited pot
         - the player who finishes first is the winner
         - winner takes all

The fact that Betroom takes a 3% fee compared to traditional casinos that offer 1 to 13,983,816 odds AGAINST the player, therefore winning EVERY time makes a WORLD of difference. A difference so large that traditional casinos make 97% out of players' money while Betroom is found at the opposing end making a measly 3% of it. A 3% service fee does NOT give me an edge against the players, Betroom NEVER bets against its players, and if you take a traditional casino that makes 97% of the betted amounts against the 3% that players make, now you have to reverse that and get to Betroom's so called "edge" and as we stand Betroom makes 3% and players make 97% of the betted amount. How do you call that an edge? How does that compare to traditional casinos? It s simple, it ISN'T and it DOESN'T.

If you have a glimpse of rationale left in your brain you ll understand that we are a TOTALLY different animal altogether, we give the players' whats rightfully theirs, they are entitled to have access and the possibility to win 97% of the total betted amount and NOT 3% of what you guys offer (i assume you are a frustrated casino owner/promoter as it is seen from your comments so far).

Last but not least i will share to you Betroom's vision, though i know you didn t bother to read that as well:

"We believe in our hearts that you, the people that comprise Betroom, will allow us to help others see an alternative to the mainstream casino. The days of the house winning 97% of the time are numbered. Together we will show that taking risk is not a dirty thing hidden in the shadows but actually a fun way to connect with like minded individuals. Each industry, throughout human history, has had to adapt and change. Medicine, transportation, communications, and even banking have had to change to keep up with the times. The casino industry is in need of an overhaul! This site symbolizes this change! Together we can exercise our right to execute real change to an industry in need of it. Let’s make our community great and encourage others to help us! This is how we win! Together!"
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