Topic: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? (Read 773 times)

Me myself i used to join English discussions since i start using the forum 2015. At that time i don't remember if a board with my local language was created [Arabic]. Then since 2018, i used to frequent arabic board after i saw many good forum members are in there ; arabic is my mother tongue and french is my second language and i can even pratice it better than English but unfortunetly there are no much activities out there but i posted in few times anyway.
Posting in multiple languages can't be forbidden whatever the reason expect you post with a language out of its appropriate board or using automatic translation tools .

I haven't thought of it this way until about now and it's very true. You know, translators focus on giving meaning to individual words and words could be contextual. In fact, some languages though spoken forward is interpreted from the rear to make sense (I don't know if you guys get the message I'm trying to present here and I wish you do). That could be the case and participating in such a people's discussion could lead you astray and also, set some confusion to what is being discussed.

There might be no rule restricting a users encroachment on other nation's local board but for a discussion to stay the course of its people as per how they are mostly affected and would help them the most, I think it should be reserved for the locals only. By locals, it doesn't mean of the particular origin but, being surrounded by the same environment or boundaries.

There are actually no limitations and no central authority that decides what is true and what isn't. The information can be completely inaccurate or misleading but if it doesn't break one of the rules, such as the low-value post rule, spam, etc., it won't get deleted.

You can create a thread saying that Satoshi was an NBA player who created Bitcoin as an exchange medium between basketball players. Unfortunately, the information leaked and the FBI released a whitepaper in his name to the general public. As long as this discussion takes place in the correct section and follows all other forum rules, it's good to go. You won't be censored by the admins. You might be told you are a degenerate, but that's another discussion . 

as far as I know, we dont have any rule regarding posting into another language but in some cases, I guess we need to prevent delivering wrong information on the discussion because sometimes having the proper translation might give towards misleading information to their local community we know that not translator is accurate but if the member has an understanding and really know how language well it's fit and good to communicate to other local board.

of course, I am always bit too fast, adjust it not to remove at all,

I agree that this rule is needed on this forum, with some exceptions and additional requirements could work much better, everything in crypto evolves pretty fast and sometimes rules also needs to be updated, maybe this is the case but this is only my personal opinion.

I am aware that I don't see many things, one of them as you mentioned  “project can flood the forum in every local board" for sure mods could bring here in few seconds more great examples to keep this rule rolling, yeah we need to talk is the only way to get there.

I guess the rule had also the aim not to favour spam across the forum.
Allowing automated translations would mean each “project” can flood the forum in every local board, while the necessity of a human intervention can slow down, raising costs, this process.
This is why I would be careful removing this rule, even if the quality of automated translations has improved so much lately.

Translator can be use to follow up on discussions that may seems interesting to a member just to have knowledge about the topics that is been discussed,  it will not make sense if a person who can't speak or understand the language of a particular local board to use a translator to participate on that discussion because sometimes translator can't give proper meaning of a language,  this can also be a problem for members of the local board to get better understanding of what is been translated.

Why are you asking me this? Did I write this rule? I stand by what is acknowledged by the community, it is your right to use or not a translator, trusting it completely, and being responsible for the consequences accordingly.
Are you sure that you can correctly formulate your thoughts when writing something in the Chinese section (for example)? While I sometimes have difficulty understanding what Google translates, are you confident that native speakers in any locale will understand the translator's language?

"...erroneously attributed to @bitmover..." - yes my bad, sorry


I have tested few translators with few languages and all of them are great, humans make more mistakes, to be honest majority of translators use these tools from always to make their work easier and faster, of course you can't just copy and paste some text but with proper editing such tool is each translator best friend.

On this forum because we have rules that not allow using translators nobody confirms to use them, to not get in trouble, but the truth is different. I think rules should be changed, automated translators are better with each day and all that matters in here on forum is quality in the end, so let's allow HQ automated translations with proper annotation, that's it.

If translation is good does it matter if was translated automatically, especially if there is such statement under it?

Are there strong reasons the forum forbids the use of translators in the local boards?
How about if someone desires to learn a particular language, by being in this forum and using the translators will aid the person achieve his goal.
The forum is known for being generous in knowledge sharing, I wish I can really know the reason behind the local board - translator clause.

Not sure if you agree with @bitmover for something he has said, or you agree with me, and erroneously attributed to @bitmover (I am not taking in consideration a plagiarism by bitmover!)

Anyway, yes. Automated translators have considerably raised their level in the last years, and spotting an automated translation si becoming harder and harder (I am referring here to English/main languages translations).

Also spotting AI written posts is becoming more difficult, but this is another story:

AI writing messages on Bitcointalk.org

Fully agree with you, I myself also am fluent in few languages, also merited in few local boards and still I was in need to use Google Translator to be able to post on some local board like Chinese that I can't speak myself and such simple rule about using translators could bring a lot more clarity not only to such short comments as mine or discussions but also for more advanced content that is written by BTT members. Many times, many great texts will be not translated at all because of actual rules if you can't use translators and post that content in local boards.

I need to add here that I work in crypto, gambling translations niche from quite some time and have extended knowledge about translators and their quality. In last years AI and Machine Learning did such big progress that automated translations are very good and many times Google translator is good as human.

Crypto is more as 10 years here and these tools already learned crypto slang, new words that where problematic for translators like Google few years ago and the main reason that experienced in crypto translators saw so much demand are not more the case. In last year this niche of crypto translations ended literally at all because majority use automated tools, not only because are way cheaper then humans but also a lot faster and unfortunately for us lately even better.

And if some project hire a service to do human crypto translations for them, believe me 90% of such services use automated translators anyway LOL  

AI will change the world and take many jobs from humans this is great example.

fillippone? Not really. Looks more like fillippeleven to me. I think theymos would allow a username change if requested. I think you have a valid case based on the data shown by DdmrDdmr.

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I wish the Scandinavian board was more active. Would be nice to remind myself the Swedish language. 

You can be a member of as many local board as you can. To be a member or post on a local board is a one basic rule and that is you should be fluent in writing on that language. If you try to write by translating then that will not be allowed. Also, many a people of that local board will report against you. I had created two topics on local board which was free service but latter came to know it is not right then I had deleted my content as the topic could not be deleted.

I am fluent in a couple of language, I have a working knowledge of another one, and I speak basic of a fourth one.
Of course I ventured in many local board for my translation project.

I think the best option is to write in English, then provide a courtesy translation via Google Translate for those not speaking English, providing an explicit reference to the fact you are housing GT.

Often, when posting on local boards GT use is frowned upon. Not being a paid service it is not forbid. But it is a discretion of the local moderator.
So I think that the best option is always be very clear when using GT to post.

There is absolutely no restrictions about this and you can post in multiple local boards as long as you have command on multiple languages.
Usually, people have command on two languages, one is English (global language) and other one is your native mother tongue language (in case English is not your mother tongue). The rest of the languages are the ones we usually learn and hence may not be too much fluent in them. If you are comfortable with many languages, it's good to go and post at relevant local threads.

I see what you mean but it seems the OP is only emphasizing on users having the ability to use two different language ​​without the help of google translate. I don't mind if some users post fluently on different local board, but I agree as you think about those who are not fluent in different language.

As far as we know some users can do it on multiple local board smoothly, that's their strength. They can do it because it's not forbidden in the rules. But wait, do you mind if someone fluent can post something quality on a different local board? If not, then let them do it as long as no rules are broken.

I just remember an interesting thread related to this topic from a few months back: Actions against spam translators. Although the referenced topic has a clear context, narrower than the one being dealt with here, some of the discussion there applies here.

Since Google translations are being mentioned here in this thread, and the related rule against automated translations, I still have my doubts on its exact interpretation, and even more so as time goes by and the tools improve in their results (as of late, when referencing sources in Spanish on English boards on the matter of latam new, I tend to include the link to the Google Translation, finding it to be for the most, perfectly readable and very close to the original source’s context).

I expressed my doubts here, which still remain as such:

Note: I don't expect people to frequently resort to Google Translate or such to post on a local board, which would seem rather unnatural as a habit, but sparse non-spam/non-plagiarized like comprehensible posts could probably be given an easy pass. Every now and then, someone non-native to my local board does so, often to clarify something after being mentioned in a local board post. The resulting assisted post is, more often than not, readable and welcome.

sure I get your point but you need to take into consideration my hall statement, of course, you can't translate content using google translator and then post it like native human translation (your own) but there are situations like when I was looking for help with Chinese, Hindi marketing or translations and needed to post there on their local forum to find candidates for this jobs.

Of course I used google translator for that but did it carefully, not only translated from my native Polish to Chinese back and forth to check it but then again the same with English - Chinese just to be sure. I think if you put so much effort and use google translator to communicate then this is not against rules and if then it should be changed.