Topic: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions - page 10. (Read 2759 times)

Are you seriously? This is the essence of the grain deal not for Russia, but for Ukraine. What is the benefit in this for Russia? Ukraine is a direct competitor of Russia in the grain supply market, why should Russia help its competitor? Russia is now the world leader in wheat exports, and this is largely because it has taken part of the market share from Ukraine. Only business, nothing personal. Try to learn to look at things more broadly, any deal should be mutually beneficial. Russia is constantly trying to be persuaded to gestures of goodwill, and then instead of gratitude, this is perceived as a sign of weakness. Do not do it this way.


Ahaha, I recognize the crooked handwriting of Ukrainian propaganda. There is no and never was any blockade for the Danube, transport grain by land and along the Danube as much as you like, the blockade is only for transportation along the Black Sea. The problem with transportation along the Danube is not in the blockade by Russia, but in its depth, which is insufficient for large bulk carriers. In small river barges - as much as you like, you can even transport grain by plane.

...I have once again listened to your fantasies. You have a vivid imagination, I'll give you that!
Will there be any arguments, verifiable arguments? I understand that you tried to deny reality once again, but it looks extremely stupid and pathetic You think no one listened to the squeals of the Kremlin's top brass ? You think no one can check dates and times from the hysterics ? You think no one can understand what they are talking about ?
Stop this pathetic comedy, everyone can easily check and trace the cause and effect relationship and chronology of events ! Well here are not the inhabitants of Russia, to your regret, here is a different audience - people think, analyze, verify information ... And that's why your pathetic responses look very comical ...
 
Or are you going to start justifying Russia again opposite to their official statements ? 

Strictly speaking, what is the essence of the grain agreement for Russia? This is to stop shelling the territory of Ukraine, in particular, its Black Sea ports, to stop attacking civilian ships and, thus, to enable Ukraine to sell its grain on the international market. That is, in fact, the international community demanded from Russia to stop engaging in robbery and piracy against a neighboring state. Therefore, it is not necessary to show the actions of Russia as something that happens within the framework of ordinary civil contracts and the observance of some legitimate interests of Russia.

Yesterday there was information that the Israeli ship Ams1, despite threats from Russia, entered the Ukrainian branch of the Danube. It is the first ship to break the Russian blockade of the Black Sea since Russia's bombardment of the Danube port of Reni on 25 July. Ams1 is followed by Sahin 2 and Yilmaz Kaptan. Origin of these vessels: Israel, Greece and Türkiye/Georgia. The American P8 anti-ship aircraft provides security. It is refueled directly in the skies of Romania. Additional information is provided by the Forte12 RQ-4 reconnaissance drone.

The situation is escalating and soon we will find out whether Russia is ready to fight with the whole world.

https://tsn.ua/ru/groshi/izrailskiy-korabl-pervym-prorval-zernovuyu-blokadu-rossii-i-napravlyaetsya-v-ukrainu-smi-2381521.html

Well the Terrorist Country and Africa summit is over. What's the bottom line?
1. A lot of speeches about nothing
2. The debts of the USSR were written off to some debtors. Here it is necessary to clarify - these debts were given not by Russia, but by all the republics of the USSR. I.e. Russia "generously" wrote off, for the most part, someone else's debts
3. An attempt to "buy" some countries with grain - met with a reasoned refusal - few people want to deal with a toxic international criminal !
4. And .... That's it !

Regarding "it's Russia's turn to stop helping Ukraine" ? Are you serious ? Mass murders, occupation, destruction of hundreds of cities, towns and villages ? Environmental and military terrorist attacks... ? I won't wish that you and your country will be helped like this all your life.....

By the way regarding "help" - if you would read what is the balance of power in the grain market - the cessation of grain supplies to the world market will only bring profit to the first three grain producers USA, EU, Canada

Ahaha, "unilaterally withdrawing", "demanding"? LOL  

I repeat once again, the grain deal is over because the time has come for it to end, it was not open-ended. Russia refused to extend it, because it considered it unprofitable for itself. It does not demand anything, on the contrary, Russia is under pressure to extend the unfavorable agreement for it. And Russia is ready to meet halfway, it does not respond with a categorical refusal - for this, you just need to satisfy a few of its conditions first. This is a normal practice for building mutually beneficial relationships, if you want to get something, you first need to give something.

ps Russia has good reason to believe that the humanitarian corridor for the export of grain was also used to supply weapons to Ukraine, which is their misuse. Therefore, Ukraine has no one to blame but itself that the grain deal no longer works.

If Western sanctions are very beneficial for Russia in the long term, then Russia and the Russian people should just wait until that long term comes and just enjoy the sanctions. At the same time, Russia, it turns out, prevents the early onset of the beneficial effect of the sanctions by unilaterally withdrawing from the grain agreement and demanding that some of the imposed sanctions be lifted for its renewal, such as connecting its Russian Agricultural Bank to SWIFT. Therefore, there are obvious contradictions between the declared usefulness of sanctions in the long term and Russia's actions.

Begging is a natural part of the world according to what you say. Because not every nation could have the same resources and some nations are just forced to live off whatever they have. Of course focus on agriculture a lot more, but what about the deserted areas in the African continent? That's the biggest example, we are talking about a huge part of the world that has no farming area, what are they going to do? Hell they do not even have clean water let alone anything else.

This is why I believe that we should not be doing anything that would challenge the whole begging part on your end. We should help the nations that need our help as much as we can, they should do whatever they can too of course, but that doesn't mean we should stop.

Here you like to turn everything upside down, confuse causes and effects and find a relationship even where there is none. The grain deal did not end because Ukraine attacked the Crimean bridge. And because the grain deal was not open-ended, the date of its completion approached and Russia did not want to renew it - because for the year of the grain deal and several times of its extension, it did not receive any benefit from it. The validity period has expired, and now there is no grain deal. I do not think that Russia has any claims against Ukraine in this regard, rather, there are claims against the UN for its long inaction in the issue of ensuring Russia's interests within the framework of the grain deal.

Empty voice calls for the renewal of the grain deal will not have any impact, even if they come from the Pope. Russia is quite consistent in protecting its national interests and does something if it is beneficial for it. The grain deal is unprofitable for Russia, so it has been suspended. If someone wants to resume the grain deal, he should not ask Russia about it, but give Russia what it wants, I have given a wish list for resuming the deal a little higher.

I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over again. It seems to me that there is no point in discussing the resumption of the grain deal, especially since Ukraine seems to have some problems with the infrastructure in the Black Sea ports. Let Ukraine export grain by land or across the Danube, there is no more grain deal.

You guys are funny (both you and DrBeer). Both of you are trying to prove that Ukraine cannot be held liable for breaking the conditions of the agreement, because in fact they didn't sign any agreements with Russia. Pretty convenient, right?

I guess be.open guy has answered your question below. Could you please answer mine? What do you think a "mirror" agreement means?

I will help you by giving a hint: there are 3 parties: A, B and C. A signs an agreement with an intermediary B and C also signs an agreement (exactly the same, hence mirror) with B. Which means that A or C break some clause in their contract with B, this clause gets broken automatically for A and C. A and C are bound legally anyway, even it's through B. Comprende?

In a way, I adore you.)  As an opponent, of course
An opponent who "buries" himself with his answers, and this is not the first time !

Let's analyze your claims and attempts to justify another act of terrorism of Russia.
Chronology of actions:
1. Ukraine strikes a military facility built by the occupant country on the territory of Ukraine and designed to deliver military cargo.
2. Russia officially declares its withdrawal from the grain deal and officially declares that now, after the strike on the so-called "Crimean Bridge" (illegally built object, in violation of international agreements, rules, ...), ANY ships going to/from ports (emphasis on the phrase "from Ukrainian ports") of Ukraine will be legitimate targets for destruction, and of course those that ensure the grain deal.
3. You state that the reason is allegedly some violations of some agreements, but you do not cite them. I ask you to specify what was violated by Ukraine?
4. You cite "facts" that took place much earlier than the date of Russia's refusal from the grain deal, and absolutely do not correspond to the OFFICIAL STATEMENT of the Kremlin !
5. You are also forgetting a couple of facts:
- There are no deals between Ukraine and Russia. There are commitments between Ukraine and the UN with Turkey's support.
- Russia has violated many treaties, obligations and conventions since 2014. For which it has received sanctions and the Kremlin Fuhrer has been prosecuted.

I would love to read your next reply

Western sanctions are very useful for Russia in the long term and strategically and cause local discomfort in the short term and tactically.

In the case of the grain deal, Russia does not ask for anything, it lists its terms on which the grain deal can be renewed. It seems that Ukraine needs it more than Russia.

Can you please explain why, if sanctions are beneficial for Russia and bad for the EU, for god's sake, why would Russia ask to have them lifted at all? Since obviously it won't be mutual to all!

The EU won't starve as it has done last winter eating frozen hamsters in their frozen Como villa while Russia will just import things it can produce itself thus damaging their economy(.............oh, rolf, I need like 5000 breaths after laughing my ass out typing this), so again, why in all gods in the universe would they want that?

Yes, everything is fine in Russia without SWIFT, and with spare parts for agricultural machinery - and this is clearly seen in the sharp increase in wheat exports from Russia this year. The very concept of a deal means that it is mutually beneficial for all the parties involved, while the grain deal lasted almost a year and Russia did not receive any benefits from it. Therefore, the deal was not extended. If the UN manages to really interest Russia in resuming the deal, it will resume. Russia listed specifically what it could be interested in. That's exactly how it works.

You can keep your sarcasm to yourself. Although you probably already have a stomach ulcer from this level of sarcasm, but I don’t need it.

But, but, but, I was told by eggxperts like you and pooya87 that

- The rest of the world doesn't need SWIFT as it's just garbage
- You already get paid in rubles so what would change as you obviously have accepted payments in rubles for gas
- Russia can produce everything for itself so it doesn't need Western machines, spare parts, planes, cars,

It might be possible that all were lies and you even need to import sarcasm cause I have like extra two tons around here ready to be shipped


Now unrelated to the above delusional case, there won't be any problem with food, well, at least not in Europe!
I've just landed home, opened a few hours ago the local forums , whatapp communities, to do a little research for my parents and...scheisse

6.9 tons/ha , HLM 81 (this is the maximum we get in our region), and the price on-site is 150-175 euros (harvested and dumped in the silo!)
We're looking at simply record crop, not sore about corn but wheat, sunflower, rapeseed and beets are through the roof, pretty sure next year we're going to have way lower production as every farmer thinks of moving to some other crops, wheat and corn and barley simply are not helping.

With meat let's see if the exports keep going, China is gobbling pork meat as crazy there is almost nobody in the whole region with the capacity to spare, the 5 million mt will be broken without a sweat, 57carcass is now 2.50E from 1.95 before covid broke in 2019, so around 25%.
But if they stop their imports it's going to go below 2 euros again!

For Africa? Well, that's a different story! One about picking the wrong side!

Quite right. Ukraine signed a grain corridor agreement with the UN and Turkey, and Russia signed an agreement with the UN and Turkey, and therefore there were no agreements between Ukraine and Russia. To be convinced of this, it is enough to analyze the answer to the question: what conditions of the grain agreement did Ukraine violate in relation to Russia? After all, Russia claims that the signed agreements regarding Russia itself were not implemented, right?

I will confirm it with your own sources. Let's take strana.today and run a google translation on the article you provided:


and the quote from Wikipedia:


I hope you understand what "mirror" agreement means?   

At number 48 in this thread, I indicated 14 links to various articles, which indicate that Ukraine signed a grain agreement only with the UN and Turkey and did not sign any agreements with Russia on this matter. Therefore, I will not repeat myself. If you have an opposite opinion, confirm what you said with the appropriate links.

You seem to just can't stop spreading lies. Ukraine did sign the agreement with Russia no matter you admit it or not. It can be called a tri-party or mirror agreement but it had been signed and there are certain obligations for all parties involved. If you don't understand this simple fact you have a room temperature IQ.

I understand your point of view, and I would even probably agree with it if Ukraine, after the collapse of the USSR, in search of its national self-identity, had not stepped onto the slippery slope of "being anti-Russia." As long as Ukraine was lightly militarized, this posed no particular danger. But when a coup d'état took place in Ukraine in 2014, anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine increased dramatically and Ukraine began to pose an existential threat to Russia. Therefore, Ukraine will be demilitarized and forced to secure a neutral non-bloc status. This is the decision of Russia, Ukraine has the right to resist the pressure of external will.

Ukraine will still have to negotiate with Russia, one way or another. It is likely that a third party will be involved in the contract as a guarantor. The only question is what exactly will be the subject of the contract. Don't be fooled - Ukraine cannot defeat Russia, the forces are too unequal. Ukraine is now fighting not to win, but to negotiate a better peace treaty.

It is not for you Russians to tell Ukraine what to do and what defense alliances of states to join. Do not interfere in the affairs of another sovereign state and you will not have problems in the future. Ukraine has already trusted Russia by signing the Budapest Memorandum with it, according to which Russia was one of the states that guaranteed Ukraine security and not an attack. At the same time, Russia received from Ukraine its third-in-the-world nuclear potential and missiles, with which Russia is now shelling Ukraine. Therefore, Russia should not teach other countries how to fulfill the terms of the agreements concluded. Can I also recall how Putin and other top officials assured the world community at the beginning of 2022 that they were not going to attack Ukraine, but were simply holding very long military exercises near its borders?

Ukraine wants to fight, not Russia? Again lies and twisted facts. Ukraine is only defending itself from direct Russian military aggression. Last February, an estimated 180,000-strong Russian army invaded Ukraine, using the full power of its armored forces. Almost all of them have already been killed in Ukraine or have become disabled. As of April, there were still approximately 369,000 Russian occupiers and about 5,900 pieces of heavy weapons on Ukrainian territory. If Russia does not want to fight, it is enough for it to withdraw its troops and equipment from the territory of Ukraine. The Ukrainians have no other choice but to defend their country and their territory from Russian aggression. Many Russians have already realized that they have lost this war.