Topic: Football Heritage is Some How Spiritual - page 3. (Read 531 times)

This is Sports Discussion but I don't think we have such a thing in the forum. This has nothing to do with gambling at all.

You are right though. Football has grown today and many fans are watching it. I am not sure about the hereditary thing but I think it's more of a tradition thing. But there's a sad truth about football too, some countries cannot join in because they are not supported by their government and it's difficult to climb the top level if there's no field to play.

Football has gone beyond passion, its now mostly about who has the highest money to finance the affairs of their club. Money isn't working for some clubs as they didn't spend the money wisely but those who have the right team and money will win in football. What makes teams like Barcelona and Real Madrid some of the most successful clubs in the world is as a result of the money they had access to, with money they could sign the best talents.

Since Barcelona has been bankrupt, they have dropped in form and since Manchester city got acquired by the Saudis they have been doing very well in the Premier League. If your club don't have money to compete with the big clubs in the transfer markets, they won't be able the get good talents into the club and the home grown players won't be able to compete with other big clubs for the title. Football heritage has a role to play but not as much as money now do.

Reputation and history of one team will increase slowly depend have any teams get large financial after acquisition by richest investor, best football teams need balance with their income and outcome trough sponsorship and funding how to make manager easily can sign many top player every window transfer opening. Some time have huge money will build up good training facilities and help their youth players can promote to senior teams as club investment in the future, when players from academy has impressive performance their values will suddenly increasing up and give much profitable for club how to get stable financial condition.

All european teams has good training facilities and many of them invested much money with their infrastructure as their investment way in the future how to get top youth player from academy promoting.

I once believed that, because at least in my country (Brazil) there was a time when football players loved their favorite team... they graduated from youth teams, became professionals and won titles for that team until the moment when they retired.

However, currently this no longer exists... players change teams and countries simply for money or better future conditions, they are no longer worried about which team they are playing for.
We can say the same thing about club directors, once this was passed down for generations between the same family or close community, but nowadays it is normal to see teams being sold to anyone willing to pay a lot of money.

As much as your point might not be far from reality, I also believe it has to do with the coach and the management system.

A skillful coach has much impact on a team irrespective of what the history must have been. Another factor will be the mindset of the players and the degree of big picture they have in terms of winning.
If a team has a mentality of winning, its rare for them to be loosing matches, they might start out loosing but gradually, they'll start winning.

I disagree with some others and I too agree with PSG and City examples as the biggest ones. Manchester City was a nobody team, they were a mockery, they were nobodies, the whole city of Manchester were filled with United fans, and you looked at City fans as weird people, they were very few and very rare, and not many liked them. Then one day, some rich person bought it, and put great players in it and now they are one of the best teams ever in that league, they are breaking records that are decades long. Same with PSG, they were not nobodies as much as City, but the were not good at all, Lyon ruled the entire Ligue 1, then some rich person bought it and now PSG wins every year and Lyon tries to survive and not get relegated. Heritage doesn't matter as much as money does, football is now a money thing, the richer you are the more success you will get, irregardless of your past.

Many people would play from a very young age to their local club, and growing up would see people helping their local club be built up from the ground up and in many cases become popular.

So the base of football as a working class sport, growing a club with little contributions for many people is what placed it close to everyone's hearts in many places. However I think that passion is kind of wearing off a little now that big capital investors are getting involved and making everything more commercialized for the big leagues. We'll see in the following decades what happens but me personally I am already a little sick with 1st leagues and their shenanigans. I'd much rather watch my team from my village play amateur game and spend my money there, knowing it would contribute to actually local people in a big way instead of counting as profit stats in a big foreign investor's pockets.

Sponsorship and funding, followed by large finances, can be a key factor in a club. Reputation will increase as time goes by, from what they have it will certainly be very easy to gather great talents from footballers from remote areas who may have pro skills. Having good and adequate training facilities, having coaches and experts in their fields to train the players, of course this will be possible because of the money the club has or help from sponsors.

I agree soccer is inherited in the sense a currently successful campaign will bring fruits ($$$) for the club, which will be used to invest in more skilled players, coach and management/technical team, marketing campaigns and every other resources they have under their disposal to make the team more recognized among the public. Consequently, all these actions will make the team stronger, more reputable and popular for the next generations, if they manage to do this in a frequent basis, year after year. Then, we have the called heritage.

My point is, without money, there isn't heritage, because this world revolves around money, always following its flux. So, changing the title of the thread a little bit, I would say football/soccer heritage is somehow financial, because it's through money and wealth the heritage from soccer clubs are passed from generation to generation. If you don't have this basic element, there isn't anything to pass ahead, besides old stories of great deeds, which unfortunatelly remain only in the few hearts of those who put values despised by the society above material things.

Right, but where does passion come from anyways?
If I had to guess, I would say it is a mixture of both the engagement the fans have with the club/team and also the collection of cups and victories the club has managed to accumulate during it's existence. It is easier for a time to become a very recognized one worldwide and also perform very well if they have a trajectory and a reputation to defend in front of their people and all those who supporte them during each match.
On one hand, that makes victories so memorable and also the defeats (it comes to mind the humiliation Brazil suffered back during the World Cup of 2014 when Germany scored 7 to them).
On the other hand, the a team is considered to be irrelevant, does not have an story to defent and their people do not engage with them as much, then there is always pesimism on what there will be ahead for the team. It is something we experienced here in Venezuela, our team as always irrelevant and under-performed, untill not long ago when it started to seem to change direction, allowing new players to join. Our heritage is bad, let us see if we can build the foundations for s different future.

In a competition, a team must be built with strong foundation in order to compete against other team.  Since football is a team play game, there should be a perfect blend of skills.  There should be the main, the supporting, and the decoy.  The team performance is the responsibility of the team coach since they are the ones scouting and reviewing new talents for the team.  They are also the ones providing formations and strategy.

The only reason why a team loses in games is because the team is not balanced and the coach is more probably incompetent in scouting or producing new talents for the team.  The spriit is surely passed down, but losses are not hereditary.  It all depends on the performance of the team against their opponent and it goes down to the team coaches and management.

Heritage are for the football lovers, our love for football is weigh beyond what I can imagine, I can't afford to missed any important match providing I'm not choked up with tasks from my work place. Money does matter in the phase, everyone will do anything to ensure they're able to maintain the momentum in the space and earns quite easy money on their own paths. Football is sports and it's live and happening before our very own eyes. There's nothing like magic, we watch the top-flight actions from clubs and the players are the main cause behind the development of the players.

It won't be that easy to pass on titles and history to be passed down from generation to generation. We have seen how several big teams used to be giant football clubs and were unbeatable, but as generations passed, this changed and actually became worse today. A real example is Man United. We are sometimes still in the euphoria of past glory, but we sometimes forget the condition of the team at the moment. We certainly always demand that the club be even more successful and be as strong as when they were successful in the past, but of course, this will not be the same. Indeed, some big clubs are still like this, as strong as ever, but it cannot be denied that there will be periods of ups and downs for these clubs.

because, football is not just about repeating history. It takes a lot of things and efforts to unite and consistently support the club so that it can be like its former glory days. because, basically, what really influences the club is not only the enthusiasm and motivation of those who used to be a giant club, but also the club's current capabilities, which include the strength and composition of the squad of players, as well as the coach's ability to manage the players and optimize them. maximally. This is what is sometimes quite difficult to do. Sometimes, a club has a lot of good players but the coach has not been able to optimize them so the results will not be as good, or vice versa. That's why there needs to be cooperation between the two, to create a strong squad strength, coupled with high motivation and good consistency throughout.

Mentally inheriting a throne can happen, it is still the performance that may be different, the manager should also play an important role. Indeed, funding during the transfer market is also a supporting option, many clubs can add better performance, it is not enough to just stay in the same game, I agree that in one season it will be different both the course of the match, the potential that may turn around or injuries that cannot be predicted still the manager must anticipate. inheritance is only the spirit because different players have different execution in formation, I think the space between the lines may be corrected or can be inherited too, but no one knows when the opponent makes changes in pressing due to upgrading players either skills or new players every season.

To maintain its status as the best club, you must be prepared to look for superior seeds who will continue the team's success, because it is not easy to get them, there must be a lot of selection that must be done. And now when a club has a lot of money it is very easy to do, just by buying the best players and collecting them then all problems are solved. But here, the role of a coach to bring in the best players who come from within the club no longer exists, even though the best players who develop from within the club will be more promising.

i am also not in favour of saying that somehow it is hereditary. but the legacy of a team can greatly affect the mood of their players. if they are known to be one of the best, they will surely aim to maintain their status quo in the sports. they will try to keep such reputation and so they are battling within themselves on how they can keep up with such status.

but in today's situation, whoever has the money can get great players. just a very good example in today's gen is christiano ronaldo who is currently with Al-Nassr FC, a Saudi Pro League club. multi-million dollars have been involved in this transfer along with lucrative benefits.

Op if you were talking of a single person I will have obliged to your thought of reasoning but talking about a full team is unacceptably true. What evil or wrong foundation could that really be that it should follow them for century and more, that's all diabolical and psych thought in my opinion. Foot today is all about money, when money in invested in a team you see them start doing great let take arsenal for example, when Wenger was with them as manager Arsenal wasn't doing great, as Wenger refused to spend good amount of money in getting the needed players to the club, now in that circumstance would it be said that Arsenal was suffering from any curse? Howbeit now that Artheta is in charge as manager and now invested money in getting a few key players like Declan Rice you see how Arsenal are doing better both in the premiership and champions league.

There is some amount of truth in what you have said but I will not believe in all of that in some other cases and when we view at it at a different perspective than you. We have seen how big teams and small teams play their football and how they effect changes by signing quality players to make the team triumph.  I am still of the conviction that when a team sign a lot of quality players and have a good coach to manage them well, they will play well amidst other big teams involved that are known for always triumphing in those leagues. This issue of hereditary from one players to another in the same team is just the same as signing low quality players year by year which won’t make them deliver well in the field of field every time. This is the only hereditary that I see in all of this.

For a sec you got me thinking about the metaphorical sense of spiritual here but you quickly brought me off-track with that "some teams are just cursed" (non-verbatim) statement you made lol. I don't think curse is what keeps them from bagging any wins or titles for that matter, and just as with any other sport in the game I think it's all a matter of skill here. On one hand you get powerhouse teams with A-list players that knew the game's very life fibers and have unlocked it with much success. On the other hand we have teams with barely any notable player, a weak lineup, and a system of play that has not worked all their lives, who do you think would win? Plus the fact that no sponsors would want to feature their products on a losing team, which severely hampers the capability of that franchise to pull other powerful players, and you get the current setting of football where the greats keep getting the Ws and the losers are left to clap for their betters.

Even though many of those teams failed, they still didn't stop trying to win. There may be some teams that never win, but one day, that team can win. Forming a strong team requires cohesiveness between fellow players. They must be able to overcome their egos and help each other so they can form a strong team.

Now everything has changed. Even though there are still many local players, teams can buy players easily as long as they have money. Many of them form strong teams by buying foreign players. The goal is to win.

And the presence of a coach helps to make the team's desire to win come true. The coach tries to analyze the abilities of each player and place them in their proper positions. With that spirit, the team can have opportunities to win that they never had before.