Topic: Football Heritage is Some How Spiritual - page 4. (Read 531 times)

nowadays everything has become a business, it is true that even in the past a lot of things were a business, but nowadays it has become much more aggressive, for example in football, despite many clubs having a long history since the many years they were created, Nowadays they need a lot of money to hire the best players to be able to win big tournaments. If a team has a very limited budget, then that team will hardly be able to stay in the league they are in. Of course, having a good coach helps a lot, but we have to understand that even for a team to have a good coach, the team needs to have a lot of money to pay that coach's salary.

The best players in the world don't go to a bankrupt team just because that team is 100 years old, the best players in the world go to a team that has a lot of money, has a good coach and is at the top of its league. Football nowadays is a million-dollar business in which everything that is done aims to maximize profits, the club's history no longer matters, what matters is the present and the future. see cases of teams that have a long history and are unable to win titles, look at the example of Manchester United, they are a team with a long history of existence. Now if you asked a player:

If you choose to go and play for Manchester City or Manchester United, which team would you choose to play for?

I'm sure this player would choose to play for Manchester City

Right now seems can't acceptable with football have heritage concept due many teams have revolution to modern era and try to get as much investor money, right now football is one place how to earn much profit trough business although not instant way but with acquisition with one football team will earn huge profitable in the future exactly club success won many trophies. Manchester City, Chelsea and PSG become new club revolution success won many trophies after acquisition by rich investor and make other club with a lot of history just not have good progress yet.
No doubt with the much money can bring victory for one club and success win many trophies in the future, I want to old team with full history have acceptable modern era football concept with new ownership have braveness spending much money for signing top players and get potential winning many trophies in the future.

Don't be too emotional or spiritual for that matter about what a football club is, they're a business that caters to the demand of the fans to have a team that represents their country, place and state. They just appeal to the emotional side of the consumers so they can get more money out of them, that's the cold hard truth about this football clubs being a part of the community, sure the players and the coaches might be in it for the camaraderie and being a part of the people that support them but the football club behind the scene, they're definitely in it for the money only.

It seems like there are a lot of answers from some people here that make a lot of sense about this kind of inheritance but what is certain is that it's all just about money and management.
If a team has long had sponsors who provide large payments, a team will certainly continue to be at the top because it can always bring in high quality players who can help the team continue to defend its title in a particular league and not only that, the coach also plays an important role here during This team has a good history and good finances and is certainly able to bring in experienced coaches who can provide strategies to continue to reach the top of the title every season and we take the example of what people say here, Man City or Bayern Munich, which are always favorite teams that can always be there. at the top of the standings, they dominate the league because they have fairly stable finances and can bring in high quality players and experienced coaches and like Real Madrid, which in the past always won the UCL title because they had fairly good finances and always had quality coaches in terms of experience.

however, even though there are many teams that have lost their heritage, they have now lost their glory days, such as in the EPL, Man United, Chelsea, which were known as great teams in the past, but this season are experiencing bad luck and have never won a satisfying title and it's all because they dont have even if the right coach has good finances and can bring in reliable players, the team will still not be perfect without an experienced coach.
so this legacy can only be continued by a team that has good finances and has the right coach.

There's strong spirit behind football, I can't stand in position to capitalize it but I would say football is the medicine for most of the youths you see this present day. Football makes our weekend to be enjoyable and sometimes I wonder if there's no existence of football, how are we going to live up to the expectations of our current lives? Football is a game of passion, that's facts and we're the lovers of football. We watched the game with tense motions and ready to give our all for these clubs especially when our favorite club have a game to play.

I agree with you about the fact that football is all about a team play, the passion and ideology that drives the team helps the team to perform, even there are instances that a single player most times can inspire teams performance, we can give for example the likes of maradona who's playing pattern helped Argentina to win the world cup, and I can go ahead to give multiple number of players that have affected the team performance singlehandedly. But in winning trophies it has to do with finance, currently in world football, financial muscles of team or clubs can help to bring in superstars that can give that catalystic effect to enable clubs win trophies, so finance has a big role to play too.

I don't really accept that football is heritage and a club that is used to losing games will always lose even though the players have the zeal of winning. In such club if money is pump into the club and and offload of players and coach is done to get new set of professional players and coach such club will be victorious.

We saw that in Manchester City after the Arab brothers took over the club, we also saw that in Chelsea when Abrahimovic of Russia took over the club and transformed it to make Chelsea among the big four today in England. So with money victory is sure and the weak club will be transformed

Wait... maybe it's not the best adjective to apply to a club, since millions of dollars are needed as an inheritance to have a championship-winning club, it's that simple.

If it were a football heritage, all the ELP teams (e.g.) would have to win the title every year

One thing I have discovered about footballers is that,  the have high focus and determination to win by all means,  and this determination have also been reflecting on they individual everyday life and sure this can be seen in the ways they deal with most affairs in the life daily and also on the pitch,  so yes I can say that footballing in something that it passion can be inbuilt and on can inherit that passion from the parents and environment too,  so for that,  most of the footballers are first passionate about the game and also for the fam and money involved,  so for that many who plays the game are also the fans of the games and an legally approved recreational activities to play football.

When we talk about football as leagues then we will have to mention the various clubs and their position in the leagues,  most of the time,  many of the team plays match all year through even if the season has ended,  and such for that a lot of the clubs who performed well previously will still be failing behind in current season such as we see with Real Madrid or Manchester City this season in the premier league this season compared to the last few seasons back.

In what context are you coming from with this your facts? From Laliga, English Premier League or Seria A or Ligue1? As I understand of football, teams that are usually in relegation don't come back the next season, they get demoted instantly after the season and any of the team that made the top 3 come back for another chance and this happened repeatedly and for the other teams that haven't top the rank most are low budget clubs that sometimes don't have much money. The top teams are mostly rotated, only few leagues remain the same especially Laliga.

As for Champions League, I think Real Madrid has been the highest winners in numbers but are they consistent about it? No, the last time they win it was last 2 years and even this season, they have been the best in the group stage but who knows what will happen after the stage, no one can tell for sure and the same goes for every league. I don't think your fact is right in this context but perhaps when we had Messi and Ronaldo, your context might be right.

OP, I think you are aware that anything hereditary is transmitted through blood, not by the physical characteristics of various individuals assembled to form a team. This means that a team's success or failure cannot be inherited, regardless of how we evaluate their current performance. For example, before Pep Guardiola joined Manchester City, could anyone honestly name Manchester City as one of the greatest clubs in the world? However, given their current performance, you can confidently name them among the best teams in the world, even though they won't be the center of attention in football for years to come.

What I am trying to say in essence is that a team's bad or good performance can not be transmitted(hereditary) from one generation to another because all the players in the team are not linked together by blood rather each of them is brought into the team by signing of the contract to play for the team for a space of time. No connection that a bad team that was bad years back will transmit their bad performance to a present team when they have had a change of coach, management, and players

This is not about heritage; all I can say is that it's about being devoted, consistent, sacrificing, and doing everything that can make it possible for them to win big.
 
One tree can't make a forest, so one person can't make a difference in an entire team. You can start the change, but it won't be effective if others don't follow. So it's not about previous scores or what they have achieved or have not achieved in the past;

it's about the club being able to accept change and change their pattern. If it's to bring in more effective players, they pave the way for it. You can't be in the same place with no upgrade in skill, and everywhere is necessary. If you want to make a difference, competition is high, so to win, one needs to step up.
 
Although there are people who have so much positive energy in them, which can trigger a team to win to some extent, and there are also people who don't excel when they are in some particular club, all that matters is change, and I don't see anything like hereditary in play here.

A great soccer club today laboured to become reputable over the years, hence the need for only the best players with as much talent and potential to adapt to the living conditions as well as be disciplined.
The best buy are often those who love and understand soccer because of their parents involvement due to the fact they did so before and have the advantage to introduce their offspring to the game now with the influence they already have on ground.

I think it depends on the management of a team actually as although I agree it is about heritage it can also be because of management.The management of Manchester United is a good clear example of how to completely ruin a heritage,they insist in keeping the coach which is going from bad to worse and is also intimidating the players somehow by vetoing his decisions and making players who are more fit to be wingers to be playing in midfield.Manchester is a great club with huge history in England for what they have achieved and I think to destroy such team only to flatter a coach who does not deserve it.This was to demonstrate that some times also management impacts the team story while overall it is like you say,most teams have heritage and it is somewhat spiritual.

I don't believe this. I believe a team does well based on planning. Football heritage to me is what that club has offered to football. Take a club like Barcelona for example. They've had legends like Cryuff, Ronaldinho, Pep, Henry and so on to their name. When you're mentioning household names in football you'll call them.
Football heritage is not how club wins the league. If you look, there are teams who have won leagues multiple times that are mid table teams today. If a club bottle's the league, it doesn't mean they don't have football heritage. Arsenal is football heritage but they bottled the league twice; to Leicester and Man City.
Manchester United can't win the league today, but they can be called football heritage.

When a club is very well organized and run, they will win titles or atblesst conoete for it. And a lot of things determine if the club will be well run, finance is a part of it.

It is true that strong foundation and spirit of performance in playing greatly influence the quality and achievements of team, but still building strong foundation can be built if there are adequate finances so that you can build perfect squad to create performance that can compete.
Finances are the only major factor in the success of football team. The team that is currently always at the top with various titles is team owned by billionaire who is able to support certain amount of money in buying players and recruiting coaches.
Without adequate finances, football team will only be like blunt spear, they cannot penetrate anything to achieve the goals they want to achieve.
Many lower team are only able to have players who are not that great and in fact they find it difficult to develop, even from the past there has always been no achievement in winning championship title, this is why weak team will be considered to have had poor performance for generations.
But there is difficulty that lower team will have in being able to develop, namely that there is no one who is really capable of pouring in large amounts of money because it is difficult for team like that to make profit and will take long time to develop.
So there will only be team that really already big who always dominates every competition.

Football's a game that gets the blood pumping, no doubt about it.  The competitive drive to come out on top is a big piece of why we can't get enough.  Sure, talent and skill make a difference at the end of the day.  But I'd say the real bedrock of a squad - its origins and makeup - carry just as much influence

Now, theres always outliers messing with the formula.  Teams can shake off years of letdowns and finally snatch the trophy.  But that's typically because they ripped out the losing mindset and created an expectation to win.

I do not agree that teams performance is hereditary. I thought you were trying to talk about family connection to football or hereditary. Like some families have older ones who have liked and played football in their youth age whether international or local even to the parents and grand parents.

So I accept it is hereditary for families and their siblings but for clubs or teams, I doubt that. If a team is not performing and they desire to perform, what they need to do is to wait for transfer season and do their buy of choicest players plus coach. Some years back Manchester city wasn't in the top team list but they have been able to do that in recent years.

The most important thing for team is to have the finance to be able to overhaul their team but if a team lack the finance then it could support your assertion that the team performance is hereditary but with finance, they can change their fortune.

Football is a something we cannot predict right on the time because, you can see some teams in the premier league competition displayed well but they are not doing well in the UEFA champions league competition which are real in some teams if you can carry out your research to know those team. But if the coach is good in the area of impacting potential skills to the players rightly, it make the players look spiritual in the football but the moment the coach begin to miss it in some areas the team will begin to go down.

You see what is happening to a popular team that used huge amount of money to buy players in the summer to withstand some strong teams but they only know how to draw with big teams and lose to small teams.

What about teams that have been the face of the Leagues many years back but today, they are one of the most shitty clubs to ever exist. Look at Manchester United and Chelsea for example, they have a history of being one of the greatest teams in any English Leagues but look at what has been happening to them, it is a shame to even openly support them and even the fans have stress to breathing anytime they have a match because they always choke them all the time. In the past, even in their worst moment, they were not this bad as they used to play in the past, I don't think your facts can checkmate in some aspect.

There may be some clubs I have to know in many leagues, your theory might be right in this aspect because if you take a deep decades back to the club, they don't have anything to show off about the club performance, if you watch Premier League very well, Everton for the last 20 years don't have a Premier League in their shelf, Nottingham Forest doesn't have too for the last 4o years and somehow these teams many times played repeatedly in the Premier League.