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Quote from: shinratensei_ on September 20, 2024, 09:36:48 PM

It's very obvious Inter Milan will reject it. They want 100 million for Lautaro's head. They don't wanna swap him for three useless players offered by Chelsea.

The better Chelsea sells Mudryk, Badia, and Disasi, then uses the money to buy out Lautaro from Inter Milan. This method is going to work instead of sending Inter Milan a swap deal.

I knew Chelsea tried to get rid of their non-impactful players; that's why they sent a swap deal to the Intermilan.

Lautaro Martinez has a long-term contract until 2029 with Inter Milan, from there we should be able to see that they have a long-term plan and will keep Lautaro Martinez with them for that period. Moreover, in the last few seasons, their players have continued to show very good improvements.

These are his statistics with Inter Milan in Serie A.
This season he has scored 3 goals, that's a good start for him. If Chelsea think Inter Milan will want to exchange this player even with 3 of their players, then that's a big mistake. Because of the 3 players offered, I think Lautaro Martinez is still better for his current performance.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on September 20, 2024, 01:47:30 PM

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Mudryk is on the Chelsea team's sales list now, he is likely to be sold in January regardless of which team will recruit Mudryk but what is certain is that the price will be quite low compared to the price Chelsea bought him at.

If Chelsea are willing to lower the price and sell him at a loss then it might still be possible but when setting the same release date as they did when buying Mudryk to be honest it will be difficult to let go and ultimately end up like Lukaku who even had to wait until the deadline before he officially joined Napoli.

Chelsea's situation in the last few seasons has been too uncontrolled and I think it would be better if Chelsea try to clean up some of the players they don't need because until now the Chelsea players are piling up and with the situation we can see from Mudryk's performance he is indeed one of the players who is quite worthy of Chelsea's disposal.

You are right, it is very difficult to find a team that is ready to pay as much as Chelsea did when they bought him, and in my opinion it is quite impossible, unless Chelsea wants to bear the loss by selling this player below their purchase price when they brought this player in. Chelsea's condition is out of control because they are too ambitious in bringing in players, the problem is that they do it without careful consideration and I even see them just buying without seeing whether they need the player or not. Or maybe they are gambling with the hope that the player they bring in can bring miracles to their game. They have spent so much money to bring in players, even if calculated with the coach then it is a very fantastic amount, but it does not have a big impact on their game.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on September 20, 2024, 10:15:58 PM

Quote from: shinratensei_ on September 20, 2024, 09:36:48 PM

The better Chelsea sells Mudryk, Badia, and ~~Disasi~~ Chukwuemeka, then uses the money to buy out Lautaro from Inter Milan. This method is going to work instead of sending Inter Milan a swap deal.

No Chelsea not swap Disasi, they want to swap Mudryk, Badiashile, and Chukwuemeka. Chukwuemeka is worse than Disasi, he mostly stay on bench. If Inter accept this swap, they're stupid because the market value of these three Chelsea's players are only 92 Million Euros, while Lautaro Martinez's market value alone is 110 Million Euros.

Chelsea need to give higher value if they want to swap because that's they want, not Inter.

Yeah, my bad. I have fixed it. But, honestly, i can't use the market value to determine their price. Their valuation totally depends on how Inter valued them all. Also, their valuation still speculation, it can above or less than 100m.

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Quote from: mamesso on September 19, 2024, 10:43:05 PM

Chelsea sales are still continuing into the January transfer window, with several players already on the transfer list due to their failure to adapt to new manager Enzo Maresca system. £88m-rated winger Mykhailo Mudryk is one of several names set to leave, Axel Disasi, Benoit Badiashile and Ben Chilwell also available for sale in the winter window. It's a shame that one of the players who has the potential to become a big star in the future is on the transfer list in the upcoming January transfer window. Chelsea are also experiencing panic at right-back after the injury suffered by Reece James, several names have been prepared to be brought to Stamford Bridge including Jules Kounde and Jeremie Frimpong.

Finally Mykhailo Mudryk is going to be sold and that's going to be good for Chelsea to help reduce their squad depth that isn't adding anything to the team but taking other players place. From this experience maybe Chelsea will learn their lesson and not be signing everybody that they hear that is good without observing the player for something to confirm what they're hearing. Chelsea need a plan on how to manage their injury crisis too. I don't think they need to rush to start looking for a right back when they have Malo Gusto that can play very well in Reece James position. There are other positions that need attention and that should be where they should be focusing.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on September 20, 2024, 08:05:27 PM

Currently there is a rumor that Chelsea are trying to approach Lautaro, who has performed very well at Inter in recent seasons, but the high transfer fee makes Chelsea have several schemes including by sacrificing Badiashile, Chukwuemeka, and Mudryk as a smooth plan to bring Lautaro from Inter.

https://www.fichajes.net/en/news/the-3-players-that-chelsea-will-offer-to-inter-milan-for-lautaro-20240916.html

But even with offers like this, I still doubt if Inter will give up Lautaro especially the offer even though it is 3 players but it does not make conditions favorable for them.

In my opinion Lautaro should think realistically not to accept Chelsea's offer this season, because there he will start again from zero when Chelsea's strikers are full, rotation will be done at any time and Chelsea has also shown us about Jackson's contract until 2033. Therefore I am not sure Lautaro will go to Chelsea, at Inter it has become everything to build a better career. The strongest club at the moment that is able to overwhelm Man City. Inter is still the club that Lautaro will maintain for the next 2 seasons. His leadership at Inter is still the club's top priority, so Lautaro must immediately avoid this rumor and not be easily tempted to go to Chelsea.

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Quote from: shinratensei_ on September 20, 2024, 09:36:48 PM

The better Chelsea sells Mudryk, Badia, and Disasi, then uses the money to buy out Lautaro from Inter Milan. This method is going to work instead of sending Inter Milan a swap deal.

No Chelsea not swap Disasi, they want to swap Mudryk, Badiashile, and Chukwuemeka. Chukwuemeka is worse than Disasi, he mostly stay on bench. If Inter accept this swap, they're stupid because the market value of these three Chelsea's players are only 92 Million Euros, while Lautaro Martinez's market value alone is 110 Million Euros.

Chelsea need to give higher value if they want to swap because that's they want, not Inter.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on September 20, 2024, 08:05:27 PM

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Quote from: Furious 7 on September 20, 2024, 01:47:30 PM

If Chelsea are willing to lower the price and sell him at a loss then it might still be possible but when setting the same release date as they did when buying Mudryk to be honest it will be difficult to let go and ultimately end up like Lukaku who even had to wait until the deadline before he officially joined Napoli.

Chelsea's situation in the last few seasons has been too uncontrolled and I think it would be better if Chelsea try to clean up some of the players they don't need because until now the Chelsea players are piling up and with the situation we can see from Mudryk's performance he is indeed one of the players who is quite worthy of Chelsea's disposal.

of course, it will be difficult if Chelsea does not lower the price with the ability of the clubs that want to recruit him later. Chelsea has made a big mistake I think in the past by spending big money to bring in expensive players. but the progress is not visible to the team.
the option of exchanging players or loans that might happen again, as you said in the Lukaku case some time ago. Chelsea might not just release Mudryk, I'm sure there will be a few more names.

Currently there is a rumor that Chelsea are trying to approach Lautaro, who has performed very well at Inter in recent seasons, but the high transfer fee makes Chelsea have several schemes including by sacrificing Badiashile, Chukwuemeka, and Mudryk as a smooth plan to bring Lautaro from Inter.

https://www.fichajes.net/en/news/the-3-players-that-chelsea-will-offer-to-inter-milan-for-lautaro-20240916.html

But even with offers like this, I still doubt if Inter will give up Lautaro especially the offer even though it is 3 players but it does not make conditions favorable for them.

It's very obvious Inter Milan will reject it. They want 100 million for Lautaro's head. They don't wanna swap him for three useless players offered by Chelsea.

The better Chelsea sells Mudryk, Badia, and Disasi, then uses the money to buy out Lautaro from Inter Milan. This method is going to work instead of sending Inter Milan a swap deal.

I knew Chelsea tried to get rid of their non-impactful players; that's why they sent a swap deal to the Intermilan.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on September 20, 2024, 02:01:57 PM

Quote from: Furious 7 on September 20, 2024, 01:47:30 PM

If Chelsea are willing to lower the price and sell him at a loss then it might still be possible but when setting the same release date as they did when buying Mudryk to be honest it will be difficult to let go and ultimately end up like Lukaku who even had to wait until the deadline before he officially joined Napoli.

Chelsea's situation in the last few seasons has been too uncontrolled and I think it would be better if Chelsea try to clean up some of the players they don't need because until now the Chelsea players are piling up and with the situation we can see from Mudryk's performance he is indeed one of the players who is quite worthy of Chelsea's disposal.

of course, it will be difficult if Chelsea does not lower the price with the ability of the clubs that want to recruit him later. Chelsea has made a big mistake I think in the past by spending big money to bring in expensive players. but the progress is not visible to the team.
the option of exchanging players or loans that might happen again, as you said in the Lukaku case some time ago. Chelsea might not just release Mudryk, I'm sure there will be a few more names.

Currently there is a rumor that Chelsea are trying to approach Lautaro, who has performed very well at Inter in recent seasons, but the high transfer fee makes Chelsea have several schemes including by sacrificing Badiashile, Chukwuemeka, and Mudryk as a smooth plan to bring Lautaro from Inter.

https://www.fichajes.net/en/news/the-3-players-that-chelsea-will-offer-to-inter-milan-for-lautaro-20240916.html

But even with offers like this, I still doubt if Inter will give up Lautaro especially the offer even though it is 3 players but it does not make conditions favorable for them.

Back to Mudryk's problem from the beginning, the situation was not very good for him because even though he was previously said to be a young player who had good potential but the EPL seemed too cruel and could not Mudryk conquer.

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Chelsea's new management has made mistakes in the last two seasons, so now they have to pay for it, they bought many players at a very expensive price so now with the mistakes they made before they can't do the same thing, if they want to sell some Chelsea players then they have to follow the current market price and they will suffer quite a big loss.

Mudryk is on the Chelsea team's sales list now, he is likely to be sold in January regardless of which team will recruit Mudryk but what is certain is that the price will be quite low compared to the price Chelsea bought him at.

There was poor management of funds when the finances of Chelsea was in the hands of the former coach and nothing good have came out from all those purchase. The players are either performing poor or they’re just there adding to the number of more players of Chelsea that always end up in the bench. At this point they are now, they’re ready to do anything for the team to grow and those that are not needed have been filtered out earlier. I just hope Chelsea will do something better this season after all the screening and the fact that they changed some players to have a total face for the team this season.

This has been an ongoing story for years now and I think the new management that took over Chelsea (or I should rather say the new owners) seem to be out of answers when it comes to finding solutions to these weird problems they have with turning high quality players into a high quality team. They don't necessarily lack tons of quality in the team, but they can't put the puzzle pieces together such than finally Chelsea is again competitive enough to play for titles, let alone compete with Manchester City for a whole season.

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Quote from: Coyster on September 20, 2024, 11:27:26 AM

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I think it will be very fair if Chelsea makes a judgment on Mudryk by the end of the season. And if he doesn't show improvement this season, he must be sold. This is because he has been here for nearly 2 years, and it's very bad if he is still stuck in the same place for 2 years.

It is not going to be easy for Chelsea to sell Mudryk, considering how much they signed him for, which is around £89m if you include bonuses, and they signed him on an eight and a half year deal. Now no club is going to sign him for anything close to that amount right now based on his poor performances, plus the number of years he has left on his current contract, the best option for both parties might be a loan deal, like they did with Lukaku for a few years, before they finally sold him this season.

Mudryk's failed purchase for two seasons did not show his best performance, so is it Chelsea's fault for buying players with long contracts? Already we know some players also have long contracts what if the fate is like Mudryk not giving his best performance, this is clearly a club loss.

So far no other club has shown interest in Mudryk because they know he is a bad player, I don't know if he was loaned out to another club to get more minutes to play, because we know now Mudryk doesn't have much to play with Chelsea so he is increasingly displaced by other players.

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Quote from: Xcode7 on September 20, 2024, 08:57:06 AM

Chelsea's new management has made mistakes in the last two seasons, so now they have to pay for it, they bought many players at a very expensive price so now with the mistakes they made before they can't do the same thing, if they want to sell some Chelsea players then they have to follow the current market price and they will suffer quite a big loss.

Mudryk is on the Chelsea team's sales list now, he is likely to be sold in January regardless of which team will recruit Mudryk but what is certain is that the price will be quite low compared to the price Chelsea bought him at.

There was poor management of funds when the finances of Chelsea was in the hands of the former coach and nothing good have came out from all those purchase. The players are either performing poor or they’re just there adding to the number of more players of Chelsea that always end up in the bench. At this point they are now, they’re ready to do anything for the team to grow and those that are not needed have been filtered out earlier. I just hope Chelsea will do something better this season after all the screening and the fact that they changed some players to have a total face for the team this season.

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Quote from: Coyster on September 20, 2024, 11:27:26 AM

Quote from: X-ray on September 20, 2024, 10:11:31 AM

I think it will be very fair if Chelsea makes a judgment on Mudryk by the end of the season. And if he doesn't show improvement this season, he must be sold. This is because he has been here for nearly 2 years, and it's very bad if he is still stuck in the same place for 2 years.

It is not going to be easy for Chelsea to sell Mudryk, considering how much they signed him for, which is around £89m if you include bonuses, and they signed him on an eight and a half year deal. Now no club is going to sign him for anything close to that amount right now based on his poor performances, plus the number of years he has left on his current contract, the best option for both parties might be a loan deal, like they did with Lukaku for a few years, before they finally sold him this season.

If i am not mistaken this is his 3rd season for Mykhailo Mudryk with Chelsea but until now he still unable to in form with this team even this season Enzo Maresca didn't fully trust him and people have already to discuss about Mykhailo Mudryk transfer that he is certainly overpriced and failed transfer from Chelsea and i think with his current quality it's hard for Chelsea to sell him at high price unless Chelsea is willing to lower his price

Mykhailo Mudryk has long term contract until 2031 and the latest rumour i have heard is Chelsea will only loan him this january because they still hopes Mykhailo Mudryk can reach to his top performance again after loaned to other clubs but not much clubs who really serious want him but according to the news that Ligue 1 club Marseille has showing their interest to Mykhailo Mudryk and it says they will loan him from January until this season ended

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Quote from: Furious 7 on September 20, 2024, 01:47:30 PM

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Mudryk is on the Chelsea team's sales list now, he is likely to be sold in January regardless of which team will recruit Mudryk but what is certain is that the price will be quite low compared to the price Chelsea bought him at.

If Chelsea are willing to lower the price and sell him at a loss then it might still be possible but when setting the same release date as they did when buying Mudryk to be honest it will be difficult to let go and ultimately end up like Lukaku who even had to wait until the deadline before he officially joined Napoli.

Chelsea's situation in the last few seasons has been too uncontrolled and I think it would be better if Chelsea try to clean up some of the players they don't need because until now the Chelsea players are piling up and with the situation we can see from Mudryk's performance he is indeed one of the players who is quite worthy of Chelsea's disposal.

of course, it will be difficult if Chelsea does not lower the price with the ability of the clubs that want to recruit him later. Chelsea has made a big mistake I think in the past by spending big money to bring in expensive players. but the progress is not visible to the team.
the option of exchanging players or loans that might happen again, as you said in the Lukaku case some time ago. Chelsea might not just release Mudryk, I'm sure there will be a few more names.

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Quote from: Xcode7 on September 20, 2024, 08:57:06 AM

Mudryk is on the Chelsea team's sales list now, he is likely to be sold in January regardless of which team will recruit Mudryk but what is certain is that the price will be quite low compared to the price Chelsea bought him at.

If Chelsea are willing to lower the price and sell him at a loss then it might still be possible but when setting the same release date as they did when buying Mudryk to be honest it will be difficult to let go and ultimately end up like Lukaku who even had to wait until the deadline before he officially joined Napoli.

Chelsea's situation in the last few seasons has been too uncontrolled and I think it would be better if Chelsea try to clean up some of the players they don't need because until now the Chelsea players are piling up and with the situation we can see from Mudryk's performance he is indeed one of the players who is quite worthy of Chelsea's disposal.

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Quote from: X-ray on September 20, 2024, 10:11:31 AM

I think it will be very fair if Chelsea makes a judgment on Mudryk by the end of the season. And if he doesn't show improvement this season, he must be sold. This is because he has been here for nearly 2 years, and it's very bad if he is still stuck in the same place for 2 years.

It is not going to be easy for Chelsea to sell Mudryk, considering how much they signed him for, which is around £89m if you include bonuses, and they signed him on an eight and a half year deal. Now no club is going to sign him for anything close to that amount right now based on his poor performances, plus the number of years he has left on his current contract, the best option for both parties might be a loan deal, like they did with Lukaku for a few years, before they finally sold him this season.

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Quote from: X-ray on September 20, 2024, 10:11:31 AM

I think it will be very fair if Chelsea makes a judgment on Mudryk by the end of the season. And if he doesn't show improvement this season, he must be sold. This is because he has been here for nearly 2 years, and it's very bad if he is still stuck in the same place for 2 years.

And i'm OK if they list Disasi and Badiashile for sale. Disasi was so slow, and he was often unable to catch their opponent because of his slow movement. And Badiashile was too often making blunders. They deserved to be sold.

Enzo Maresca gives his players time to adapt to the system but it takes more time for other players to adapt. He's selectively strict towards his players, he choose the best option for the club and ensure he's having one of the best results. This is his first season and we expects more thrilling results from him.

Chelsea players are inclusively better but they need more time to be able to comprehend their abiliti. It do take time for most players, over a year for some but Cole Palmer made brilliant debut in his first season and he maintain extreme stellar performance. I wished i could say the same for the Ukraine international, Mykhailo Mudryk. He have been give all the time in the world to fit into the game pattern of Chelsea but with the recent development, he's slacking behind and doesn't seem to reach his full potential at Stamford Bridge.

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Quote from: mamesso on September 19, 2024, 10:43:05 PM

Chelsea sales are still continuing into the January transfer window, with several players already on the transfer list due to their failure to adapt to new manager Enzo Maresca system. £88m-rated winger Mykhailo Mudryk is one of several names set to leave, Axel Disasi, Benoit Badiashile and Ben Chilwell also available for sale in the winter window. It's a shame that one of the players who has the potential to become a big star in the future is on the transfer list in the upcoming January transfer window. Chelsea are also experiencing panic at right-back after the injury suffered by Reece James, several names have been prepared to be brought to Stamford Bridge including Jules Kounde and Jeremie Frimpong.

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1. https://www.teamtalk.com/chelsea/exclusive-chelsea-ready-to-axe-mudryk-and-three-more-in-january-with-maresca-fire-sale-to-continue
2. https://www.teamtalk.com/chelsea/blues-transfers-five-man-list-replace-superstar-includes-barcelona-man-blues-failed

I think it will be very fair if Chelsea makes a judgment on Mudryk by the end of the season. And if he doesn't show improvement this season, he must be sold. This is because he has been here for nearly 2 years, and it's very bad if he is still stuck in the same place for 2 years.

And i'm OK if they list Disasi and Badiashile for sale. Disasi was so slow, and he was often unable to catch their opponent because of his slow movement. And Badiashile was too often making blunders. They deserved to be sold.

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Quote from: len01 on September 20, 2024, 06:33:41 AM

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Is Chelsea finally giving up on Mudryk? If it's true, then it's a classic strategy. Buy high and sell low. It seems this is what they wanted.

But nothing surprises if they decide to sell him. he never improves his performance. Keeping him long-term will be a burden considering they must pay his salary £100,000 weekly for 8 years. And I'm wondering who's gonna buy him from Chelsea? How much are they gonna sell him? Cheesy

None is going to take him, unless that they are selling him for half of his buying price.

This is the ugliness of Chelsea management that looks very bad in recruiting which ends very funny.
Mudryk from the beginning was doubted by most of the fans but actually for me it all depends on the coach and management who improve the talent he has. I'm not saying Mudryk is bad but he just needs support and a coach who is really experienced to be able to appear with the talent he wants.
But back to Chelsea management who are always unable to improve the talent of the players and waste money in vain. And if the rumor comes true, it is likely that Mudryk will be released at a cheap price and a team like Dortmund will likely get him.

Mudryk was once a player with an expensive purchase by Chelsea and even previously he was quite popular when Arsenal and Chelsea were scrambling to get him from the Ukrainian club, but Arsenal were luckier because they withdrew from the competition and preferred to sign Trossard in the same year, Mudryk performance was actually quite impressive at the beginning of his move to Chelsea but it was over time that he experienced a decline in form shortly after being recruited by Chelsea.
Bought for 100 million euros now Mudryk has a market price of around 41 million euros and it shows how his current quality as a player, Chelsea seems to have run out of patience with him so indeed they will sell him in January later, even circulating other news if Chelsea is currently ready to exchange Mykhaylo Mudryk, Benoit Badiashile, and Carney Chukwuemeka with Intermilan to get Lautaro Martinez in the winter transfer market

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Quote from: len01 on September 20, 2024, 06:33:41 AM

This is the ugliness of Chelsea management that looks very bad in recruiting which ends very funny.
Mudryk from the beginning was doubted by most of the fans but actually for me it all depends on the coach and management who improve the talent he has. I'm not saying Mudryk is bad but he just needs support and a coach who is really experienced to be able to appear with the talent he wants.
But back to Chelsea management who are always unable to improve the talent of the players and waste money in vain. And if the rumor comes true, it is likely that Mudryk will be released at a cheap price and a team like Dortmund will likely get him.

Chelsea's new management has made mistakes in the last two seasons, so now they have to pay for it, they bought many players at a very expensive price so now with the mistakes they made before they can't do the same thing, if they want to sell some Chelsea players then they have to follow the current market price and they will suffer quite a big loss.

Mudryk is on the Chelsea team's sales list now, he is likely to be sold in January regardless of which team will recruit Mudryk but what is certain is that the price will be quite low compared to the price Chelsea bought him at.

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I don't think he will find the same environment in La Liga This kind of situation can only be felt by Joao himself. He realized that in the end the environment at Atletico was not very friendly to him even though we can see that his relationship with the players is still well established and the advantage of playing in La Liga where the tension and atmosphere is smaller but it does not make Joao comfortable because he does not have a good relationship with the coach and even not a few fans from Atletico do not really like Joao there especially when Joao is loaned to Barcelona.

This certainly has an impact on comfort so that when Chelsea offers him to return and have a much more awake relationship than when he was at Atletico then I don't think he will think more so that he decides to join Chelsea again this season.

I agree with you regarding the potential influence of the team's environment on a player's performance. Joao Felix certainly didn't seem to thrive at Atletico Madrid, despite La Liga being generally thought of as less demanding than the Premier League. His issues with the coach and lack of support from fans likely affected his confidence and overall comfort. So, there's a chance that he might do better back at Chelsea, given that the environment seems more supportive and he's already familiar with it. But then again, Chelsea's team dynamic is prone to change, as we've seen from their history. The potential for the team to slip back into their old disarray could pose a challenge for Felix. Only time will tell how he'll perform in his return to the Premier League.

In the end, a harmonious situation between players, coaches and fans is also a situation where it can make performance a little better and Joao did not get that at Atletico even when he was a loan player at Barcelona he celebrated when he scored a goal against Atletico which indicated a loss of respect between the player and the fan itself so it will be very difficult to make a differentiating situation when Joao is kept at Atletico because the only reason Atletico previously kept Joao was when no club dared to pay according to the clause because Atletico previously bought Joao from Benfica too expensive and they did not want to lose with that.

Now he is at Chelsea even though there is a re-adaptation especially in terms of tension and pressure to be required to spend extra energy in every match that is carried out but when there is support from coaches and fans of course this will make him comfortable even though maybe in terms of performance he will not increase quickly and significantly but in the end this is a consideration why he did not think longer when he was approached by Chelsea again at the last time the player transfer before closing.

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