⚽ FOOTBALL: UEFA Champions League 2020/21 Season - page 12.

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Quote from: darewaller on December 16, 2021, 02:21:55 PM

Quote from: poldanmig on December 16, 2021, 04:15:14 AM

There is a slight difference between real madrid who lost ronaldo and also barcelona which messi left at this time, when ronaldo left madrid, at that time madrid condition was also a bit limp but fortunately they still have benzema who can replace ronaldo position well, while barcelona is quite long relying on messi, unable to find a suitable replacement when messi moved to PSG, and even fati and depay who are expected to be the next messi in barcelona have not been able to show their best game at the moment, besides that the club financial condition is currently in trouble, adding to the condition Barcelona is getting worse, and it's clear that Barcelona's current condition is worse than when Madrid lost Ronaldo in 2018.

Benzema didn't replace Ronaldo all that very well, and nobody in the world could ever be the "next Messi" neither, these are two players that nobody could ever replace because between them they have like 12 or something Ballon D'or awards and that's more than any other two people combined. The real difference was that Real had a better 11 than what Barca had, they both managed to not replace their missing superstars but at least Real managed to put up a better 11 than what Barcelona could offered.
We also have the fact that Barcelona is doing horribly on finances as well, they have so much debt that paying it would take years for them alone and then they need to also get more players and pay salaries and so forth. All in all Real finished it with a lot better result when Ronaldo left, but when Messi left Barcelona still wasn't ready for this period.

It's just that Ronaldo and Messi have different playing roles and Barcelona's playing model was more dependent on Messi than Real Madrid was dependent on Ronaldo. I agree that with all due respect to Benzema, nevertheless Benzema cannot serve as an equivalent replacement for Ronaldo. On the other hand, we must admit that Benzema perfectly complemented Ronaldo with his game at the time. Also, do not forget that the leading players of Real Madrid were simply younger at that time and therefore could show better results physically than they are now. To be honest, the game of Real Madrid did not impress at all in the first match and it is not yet clear whether the club will be able to play from a position of strength in the second match, because now Real Madrid must necessarily score in order to have a chance of continuing the fight for winning the Champions League.

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Here are the next set of games taking place in the knockout stages of the Champions League on 22nd February 2022:

Chelsea vs Lille
Villarreal vs Juventus

Here are the games taking place on 23rd February 2022:

Atletico Madrid vs Manchester United
Benfica vs Ajax

It is another great season for English Premier League clubs because 4 have reach the knockout stages of the competition.

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ManU will beat A.Madrid if there is no surprise at home. I expect a goal-scoring draw in the Ajax-Benfica match. Juventus-Villarreal match will be the match Juve will win. I waiting for surprise in Lille-Chelsea game. Lille will win. Let's wait and see.

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RESULTS:

Inter Milan 0-2 Liverpool

Red Bull Salzburg 1-1 Bayern Muncih

Two very late goals gave Liverpool a two goal cushion for when the teams meet next at Anfield. It would have been difficult for them to match the 0-5 victory Manchester City had against Sporting Lisbon but Inter Milan did put up a fight. Liverpool should easily qualify for the next round because Inter will find it difficult to beat them at Anfield.

In the other game Bayern were on the verge of defeat before they equalised in the last minute of the 90. RB Salzburg should have won it but conceded right at the end.

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RESULTS:

Paris Saint-Germain 1-0 Real Madrid

Sporting Lisbon 0-5 Manchester City

PSG managed to win 1-0 with a very late goal from Mbappe. Earlier Messi took a penalty but it was saved by Real Madrid goalkeeper Thibaut Courtois. It was heading for a 0-0 draw until Mbappe scored in the final minute of time added on. I think Real Madrid will win the game in Spain and qualify for the next round.

Manchester City thrashed Sporting Lisbon but did anybody really expect them to win 0-5?

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So who do you guys got for the current round of fixtures this week? I think City, PSG, Bayern and Liverpool their respective matches. No bets here except for a small one on City to win and BTTS combo at 2.90 just to make watching it interesting. I’m not really sure if Sporting CP could score a goal vs City but willing to gamble since they’re playing at home.

I was also thinkng of doing the same bet for the Bayern match. You guys think Salzburg could get one in? What do you guys think?

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Real Madrid have players that can score goals for them from strikers to midfield, I agree with you Barcelona do not have an out-and-out forward right now who can score goals for them.

I see Barcelona in decline,they were knocked out of the Champions League at the group stage and will play in the Europa League and I think they will fail to qualify for the Champions League next season by missing out on a top 4 finish this season.

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Quote from: darewaller on December 16, 2021, 02:21:55 PM

Benzema didn't replace Ronaldo all that very well, and nobody in the world could ever be the "next Messi" neither, these are two players that nobody could ever replace because between them they have like 12 or something Ballon D'or awards and that's more than any other two people combined. The real difference was that Real had a better 11 than what Barca had, they both managed to not replace their missing superstars but at least Real managed to put up a better 11 than what Barcelona could offered.

We also have the fact that Barcelona is doing horribly on finances as well, they have so much debt that paying it would take years for them alone and then they need to also get more players and pay salaries and so forth. All in all Real finished it with a lot better result when Ronaldo left, but when Messi left Barcelona still wasn't ready for this period.

I think you misunderstood what I said about replacing the position, I didn't say in terms of replacing the quality of a player, and I also agree that no other player can match or replace the two best players so far in terms of quality, but what I mean is that Benzema is more able to replace Ronaldo role or Task at Madrid in terms of scoring goals, you can see after losing Ronaldo, Benzema was able to transform into Madrid goal machine and it was proven when Benzema could be Madrid top scorer right now, but it was different with Barcelona which In fact we don't have a player who can replace Messi in terms of scoring goals, I don't even see a Barcelona forward who stands out in terms of scoring goals this season.

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Quote from: darewaller on December 16, 2021, 02:21:55 PM

Quote from: poldanmig on December 16, 2021, 04:15:14 AM

There is a slight difference between real madrid who lost ronaldo and also barcelona which messi left at this time, when ronaldo left madrid, at that time madrid condition was also a bit limp but fortunately they still have benzema who can replace ronaldo position well, while barcelona is quite long relying on messi, unable to find a suitable replacement when messi moved to PSG, and even fati and depay who are expected to be the next messi in barcelona have not been able to show their best game at the moment, besides that the club financial condition is currently in trouble, adding to the condition Barcelona is getting worse, and it's clear that Barcelona's current condition is worse than when Madrid lost Ronaldo in 2018.

Benzema didn't replace Ronaldo all that very well, and nobody in the world could ever be the "next Messi" neither, these are two players that nobody could ever replace because between them they have like 12 or something Ballon D'or awards and that's more than any other two people combined. The real difference was that Real had a better 11 than what Barca had, they both managed to not replace their missing superstars but at least Real managed to put up a better 11 than what Barcelona could offered.

We also have the fact that Barcelona is doing horribly on finances as well, they have so much debt that paying it would take years for them alone and then they need to also get more players and pay salaries and so forth. All in all Real finished it with a lot better result when Ronaldo left, but when Messi left Barcelona still wasn't ready for this period.

I think you misunderstood what I said about replacing the position, I didn't say in terms of replacing the quality of a player, and I also agree that no other player can match or replace the two best players so far in terms of quality, but what I mean is that Benzema is more able to replace Ronaldo role or Task at Madrid in terms of scoring goals, you can see after losing Ronaldo, Benzema was able to transform into Madrid goal machine and it was proven when Benzema could be Madrid top scorer right now, but it was different with Barcelona which In fact we don't have a player who can replace Messi in terms of scoring goals, I don't even see a Barcelona forward who stands out in terms of scoring goals this season.

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The first leg of the game will take place in Paris therefore PSG will have home support, they will need it against a powerful resurgent Real Madrid team. Ramos vs Madrid will be interesting if he plays especially in the return leg in Spain because the reception he receives from the Madrid fans should be a warm one but in this knockout stage of the competition the fans will have to back their team instead of a club legend that no longer plays for them.

In Madrid the fans will probably boo Messi and Neymar every time they touch the ball because of their past associations with Barcelona but will Ramos get booed too? Grin

Manchester City could probably put out a team full of reserves and they would walk away with a win against Sporting.

You are right about Liverpool, they are in form but Inter at home will be a difficult night for them but having said that I expect Liverpool to go through to the next round.

Quote from: Juggy777 on February 10, 2022, 07:59:38 AM

@JollyGood while Real Madrid are no doubt the favourites, but they’re up against their arch enemy i.e. Messi and their beloved Ramos and add Neymar to that list so I doubt it’ll be a one sided affair and hence we should expect both teams to score. Further I expect Liverpool to win, because of their current form and it seems that they’re on a roll hence I can’t see them being defeated, and as for Manchester City it’ll be just another routine victory for them.

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Quote from: JollyGood on February 10, 2022, 05:22:22 AM

Here are the first set of games taking place in the knockout stages of the Champions League on 15th February 2022:

Paris Saint-Germain vs Real Madrid
Sporting Lisbon vs Manchester City

Here are the games taking place on 16th February 2022:

Inter Milan vs Liverpool
Red Bull Salzburg vs Bayern Muncih

PSG vs Real Madrid will be great game to watch, I have to go with Real Madrid to win overall with them winning in Paris and in Madrid. When it comes to Manchester City they should have an easy win in Lisbon but Liverpool will have a dangerous opponent with Inter and that is another game to look out for.

@JollyGood while Real Madrid are no doubt the favourites, but they’re up against their arch enemy i.e. Messi and their beloved Ramos and add Neymar to that list so I doubt it’ll be a one sided affair and hence we should expect both teams to score. Further I expect Liverpool to win, because of their current form and it seems that they’re on a roll hence I can’t see them being defeated, and as for Manchester City it’ll be just another routine victory for them.

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Here are the first set of games taking place in the knockout stages of the Champions League on 15th February 2022:

Paris Saint-Germain vs Real Madrid
Sporting Lisbon vs Manchester City

Here are the games taking place on 16th February 2022:

Inter Milan vs Liverpool
Red Bull Salzburg vs Bayern Muncih

PSG vs Real Madrid will be great game to watch, I have to go with Real Madrid to win overall with them winning in Paris and in Madrid. When it comes to Manchester City they should have an easy win in Lisbon but Liverpool will have a dangerous opponent with Inter and that is another game to look out for.

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Quote from: poldanmig on December 16, 2021, 04:15:14 AM

There is a slight difference between real madrid who lost ronaldo and also barcelona which messi left at this time, when ronaldo left madrid, at that time madrid condition was also a bit limp but fortunately they still have benzema who can replace ronaldo position well, while barcelona is quite long relying on messi, unable to find a suitable replacement when messi moved to PSG, and even fati and depay who are expected to be the next messi in barcelona have not been able to show their best game at the moment, besides that the club financial condition is currently in trouble, adding to the condition Barcelona is getting worse, and it's clear that Barcelona's current condition is worse than when Madrid lost Ronaldo in 2018.

Benzema didn't replace Ronaldo all that very well, and nobody in the world could ever be the "next Messi" neither, these are two players that nobody could ever replace because between them they have like 12 or something Ballon D'or awards and that's more than any other two people combined. The real difference was that Real had a better 11 than what Barca had, they both managed to not replace their missing superstars but at least Real managed to put up a better 11 than what Barcelona could offered.

We also have the fact that Barcelona is doing horribly on finances as well, they have so much debt that paying it would take years for them alone and then they need to also get more players and pay salaries and so forth. All in all Real finished it with a lot better result when Ronaldo left, but when Messi left Barcelona still wasn't ready for this period.

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You correctly credited Carlo Ancelotti with the resurgence of Real Madrid. It would be very difficult for anybody to ignore the impact returning hero manager Carlo Ancelotti has had on the team this season. Let us not forget he just arrived at the beginning of the season from Everton and has had an emphatic impact on the whole squad.

He has regularly left Eden Hazard and Gareth Bale on the substitutes bench, not used them at all on many occasions yet Real Madrid are dominating La Liga and topped their Champions League group.

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Real Madrid have somehow managed to find form in La Liga and moved to the knockout stages of the Champions League whereas for example Barcelona have disintegrated in La Liga sitting in 8th position and 18 points behind leaders and favourites Real Madrid. Barcelona have been knocked out of the Champions League at the group for the first time in over 20 years, now they have to play in the Europa League but Real Madrid have turned themselves in to a footballing force this season.

Over two matches between PSG and Real Madrid, I think Real Madrid will win and go on to get to the semi-finals at the least. If that happens then PSG manager Pochettino could be sacked before the end of the season and a potential move to Manchester United could be on the cards for the beginning of next season.

Quote from: skscengeng on December 15, 2021, 05:39:12 AM

PSG are going to have one of the toughest matchups and I don't have any doubt about it. People shouldn't undervalue Real Madrid in this matchup. If they look at Real Madrid's current condition closely, they can see that they are as good as PSG now. Maybe Real Madrid's dominance level in the La Liga is not bigger than PSG's in the Ligue 1. But the reason why is that La Liga is a more quality league.

@JollyGood you’re absolutely correct as Real Madrid are indeed back, and lots of credit goes to Carlo their head coach who successfully transformed them. Furthermore Real Madrid are going to facing an old enemy Messi, and that could be what’s stopping them from a victory hence I predict a goals fest when these two teams meet.

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Quote from: Spack17 on December 16, 2021, 03:55:52 AM

I really appreciate Real Madrid's current performance even though they don't have Cristiano Ronaldo anymore. It has been around three and a half seasons since he left Real Madrid but they are still doing a great job. They are even much better in this season. We haven't seen the same from Barcelona after Messi's leaving for example. And in their tough draw against PSG, I've no doubt that they will give their best.

There is a slight difference between real madrid who lost ronaldo and also barcelona which messi left at this time, when ronaldo left madrid, at that time madrid condition was also a bit limp but fortunately they still have benzema who can replace ronaldo position well, while barcelona is quite long relying on messi, unable to find a suitable replacement when messi moved to PSG, and even fati and depay who are expected to be the next messi in barcelona have not been able to show their best game at the moment, besides that the club financial condition is currently in trouble, adding to the condition Barcelona is getting worse, and it's clear that Barcelona's current condition is worse than when Madrid lost Ronaldo in 2018.

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I really appreciate Real Madrid's current performance even though they don't have Cristiano Ronaldo anymore. It has been around three and a half seasons since he left Real Madrid but they are still doing a great job. They are even much better in this season. We haven't seen the same from Barcelona after Messi's leaving for example. And in their tough draw against PSG, I've no doubt that they will give their best.

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Real Madrid players are very good in this UEFA champion league 2021/2022 season. Despite the strong team real Madrid has met in their group to make them unbeatable in this season. PSG cannot stop real Madrid in this season because real Madrid has what it takes to win all their match to qualify for semi-final.

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Quote from: JollyGood on December 15, 2021, 01:20:08 PM

Real Madrid have somehow managed to find form in La Liga and moved to the knockout stages of the Champions League whereas for example Barcelona have disintegrated in La Liga sitting in 8th position and 18 points behind leaders and favourites Real Madrid. Barcelona have been knocked out of the Champions League at the group for the first time in over 20 years, now they have to play in the Europa League but Real Madrid have turned themselves in to a footballing force this season.

Over two matches between PSG and Real Madrid, I think Real Madrid will win and go on to get to the semi-finals at the least. If that happens then PSG manager Pochettino could be sacked before the end of the season and a potential move to Manchester United could be on the cards for the beginning of next season.

Quote from: skscengeng on December 15, 2021, 05:39:12 AM

PSG are going to have one of the toughest matchups and I don't have any doubt about it. People shouldn't undervalue Real Madrid in this matchup. If they look at Real Madrid's current condition closely, they can see that they are as good as PSG now. Maybe Real Madrid's dominance level in the La Liga is not bigger than PSG's in the Ligue 1. But the reason why is that La Liga is a more quality league.

@JollyGood you’re absolutely correct as Real Madrid are indeed back, and lots of credit goes to Carlo their head coach who successfully transformed them. Furthermore Real Madrid are going to facing an old enemy Messi, and that could be what’s stopping them from a victory hence I predict a goals fest when these two teams meet.

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Real Madrid have somehow managed to find form in La Liga and moved to the knockout stages of the Champions League whereas for example Barcelona have disintegrated in La Liga sitting in 8th position and 18 points behind leaders and favourites Real Madrid. Barcelona have been knocked out of the Champions League at the group for the first time in over 20 years, now they have to play in the Europa League but Real Madrid have turned themselves in to a footballing force this season.

Over two matches between PSG and Real Madrid, I think Real Madrid will win and go on to get to the semi-finals at the least. If that happens then PSG manager Pochettino could be sacked before the end of the season and a potential move to Manchester United could be on the cards for the beginning of next season.

Quote from: skscengeng on December 15, 2021, 05:39:12 AM

PSG are going to have one of the toughest matchups and I don't have any doubt about it. People shouldn't undervalue Real Madrid in this matchup. If they look at Real Madrid's current condition closely, they can see that they are as good as PSG now. Maybe Real Madrid's dominance level in the La Liga is not bigger than PSG's in the Ligue 1. But the reason why is that La Liga is a more quality league.

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PSG are going to have one of the toughest matchups and I don't have any doubt about it. People shouldn't undervalue Real Madrid in this matchup. If they look at Real Madrid's current condition closely, they can see that they are as good as PSG now. Maybe Real Madrid's dominance level in the La Liga is not bigger than PSG's in the Ligue 1. But the reason why is that La Liga is a more quality league.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on December 15, 2021, 04:29:03 AM

After the draws have been completed, my favourite teams to advance to the quarter final round are like this:

PSG - Real Madrid
Sporting - Manchester City
Inter - Liverpool
Salzburg - Bayern Munich
Chelsea - Lille
Villarreal - Juventus
Atletico Madrid - Manchester United
Benfica - Ajax

And I'm already pretty sure that majority of the people who have made their predictions think the same as me. And people who are thinking differently are favouring Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid most probably. I accept that they are both tough draws. But I don't see a big chance for Real Madrid to eliminate PSG. This can be PSG's biggest opportunity to win the CL title. And they will push until the end surely. And I see Manchester United as one step ahead of Atletico. Because Atletico seem a little more inconsistent than them. And I see Manchester United as a more capable team in offense.

Personally, I think that at the moment Real is a more complete and better team than PSG.
The match between PSG and Manchester City showed very well what PSG is missing to finally win the Champions League.
PSG has three walkers in the team, Messi, Mbappe and Neymar who contribute little to the defense and in matches against top teams such as Real or Manchester City this is a very serious shortcoming.
With the new coach, Manchester United is a better and more organized club, but the match between Manchester United and Atletico will still be very uncertain.
I mostly agree with other predictions, but every season in the Champions League there are unexpected results and surprises, so there will certainly be surprises this season as well.

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