Topic: For forum nostalgics - how data show forum evolution (Read 562 times)

I wasn't aware a bot would be allowed to post so much without getting banned. I guess it was a consented bot, giving content to the section every hour, but without comments though. Perhaps informative for others to debate at times. If anyone tried that now I guess they wouldn't get very far before being reported.

So a Legendary bot we have ... probably an inspiration to the many bots that create accounts now days...

Important to bear in mind that ChartBuddy was a bot that would post charts every hour. If you were beating that, you might be taking things a bit too seriously

I remember being quite dismissive of the idea originally as I thought it would be unworkable. When I saw the implementation of what the idea turned into I immediately changed my mind. The gaining of sMerit for your merited posts and then that filtering down is really what makes it work.

Thanks for pointing out that thread. Interesting for everyone to read through and see how the idea shifted from the original draft, where voting for posts and BTC were involved...

theymos put the idea forward for discussion in this thread. Ideas for improving post quality?

Ultimately, of course, it was his decision to implement his idea after listening to the various opinions offered.

I've got a feeling that, in general terms, beginners and alike seldom swing by Meta, so they're probably missing out on this kind of information (perhaps not too trivial for beginners where focus should be on forum structure, forum rules, post structure and best practices, and so on).

I've tried to google it for a while and could not find an exact answer. Forum search gave me this recent thread with different theories; none confirmed witty as they may be: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/where-did-merit-come-from-3335436

I really agree what @pugman says about statistics and analytical post which can be used as a tool to earn merit which "deserves' it respectively.

 Meta before wasn't alive, even myself agree to it but when the new implementation appear,  then threads with statistic and analytic information pops out that really helps a lot to beginners to  what is happening and can also be what is missing and what others should know.
good thread, indeed, informative. Detailed. (Y)

But I have a question.

Did admin theymos decided personally to implement merit? I mean is he the only one who want it to be added or we have a jury?


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Educate me please don't belittle me. Thank you

I totally agree on that. Hopefully they will keep hosting the cached websites and other things too as long they can. I should donate $$$ to them again for offering such service for free.

Yes, you are right. The site is great for archival purposes when there is no other way around and you need something approximate to a date/time and not spot-on. It’s not good at all on dynamic content sites, but the more html the better the results.

Well spotted!

You probably took the needed data from web.archive.org  (https://web.archive.org/web/20120701000000*/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats).

Am I right?

Trust me shitposts will take a lot of while to fade away. Atleast until Merit abusers don't fade away,shitposts won't. What is worse than shitposts is that people get merited for an application to a bounty campaign....
But anyhow,I myself really do like all the new statistics that people are coming up with,and hope this trend would continue for a long while ,its just that sometimes it gets annoying to see huge longass posts.

Yes, probably somewhere on the line you are indicating lies the answer to the puzzle. I think probably a heading readjustment for the indicator may be necessary, or a mouse-over text to display a bit more on the indicator's nature in general would be a nice feature on the global forum stats for those of us who read further into the information being displayed.

By the way, has anybody sussed out why I used the specific dates that I used for historical comparison?  (I’m referring to 30/05/2017, 13/04/2016, 22/04/2015, 03/04/2014, 07/05/2013, and 25/03/2012).

Moreover, where exactly did I get the data from since official stats are current day based and there is no historical view of them?

My intention is not to be smurky or a smart ass asking the above, but rather showing that data can be often taken for granted easily.

Clues:
-   It is not made up.
-   I was not around on the forum prior to 04th of January 2018 (newbie time).
-   I do not have inside information, nor did anyone on the forum provide this information to me.
-   I once checked a property value on a web page and wanted to see what price was like a few months before. Since this info was not accessible on the portal, I looked for a way to retrieve it. That’s the trigger.

The above is just a side game that does not need to be played by anyone. I even believe that perhaps it was better to abort the idea anticipating what may come as answers…

If you’re up to the game, please answer only if you have the proper key. Avoid all speculation (crystal Ball (one), stolen Tardis and so on), wild guesses, and so forth.

Cheers.

I wouldn't worry too much about the numbers. The date thing is a case of evolution. A couple of hundred years ago the English used the same format as the US does now. But then someone thought about it logically.



Then everyone started adopting dd/mm/yyyy. America is still waiting to have that moment of clarity. 

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Back to the stats and the "Average online per day" has been baffling me as well. All I can think of is that it means simultaneously online. I think there is a period of time that you are considered logged in after every page load and that goes into the "Total time logged in" stat you see at the top of the page. If that timeout period is very short that might help explain why the "Average online per day" value is so low.

Yes, That's it. Both my professional and personal software is in English, but currencies and so are local since that is my main usage. I think we can live with it without too much disturbance, especially if we avoid using simultaneously decimal points and commas on numeric values.

If it gets too confusing, we (me and others I guess) could play around with local configuration, do the task, and then revert back to default. Dates are another hazard though (dd/mm/yyyy vs mm/dd/yyyy).

I find it interesting to see that top posters like aamph posted 28,854 times since his/her account creation in 2013. That could mean he/she posted approximately 26 times DAILY. Thats a lot of time spent on the forums assuming it's not just spam posts written in 3 seconds.

I would find it interesting to hear from these top 9 on how the forum has affected their lives. Hopefully it's been profitable or fulfilling for them to do so.

As can be seen on the map the use a comma to separate groups of 3 digits and the decimal period is the English speaking worlds convention. That's what causes confusion, the mixed use of English language words and foreign language numbers.

When I read your comments, I got mixed feelings on the first line and took them similarly to Digaran’s interpretation.
My mind sometimes goes down weird paths, so I then moved on to considering that “puke”, if used  instead of “dump” by accident or language mistranslation, could create a new way of referencing the “pump and dump” price feature for the “puke and dump”.

I then moved on to considering the similarities between puke and dump, and while both are the body’s way of disposing of ingested food and beverage, the latter does come out a winner versus the former in terms of satisfaction.

Then I went back to square one and wondered if “data puke” was actually a term I wasn’t aware of, and bingo, I found a few references to it. It turns out that Data Puke is considered by some as the following:

(quote from source (a few years old though) : https://geovoices.geonetric.com/2013/05/data-puke-vs-actionable-data/

5 Signs You Are Generating Data Puke:
1.   The only numbers you are looking at are the high-level “dashboard” numbers (most of the time dashboards are data puke).
2.    “What’s this?” or “What’s this showing?” is how someone else looking at the report you just created instantly responds.
3.   It doesn’t pass the “so what?” test. Ask yourself “so what?” for every statistic you pull, and if you don’t have a measurable or economically identifiable reason to measure it, then don’t. You’re wasting your time.
4.   If you are looking at a report and there is no mention of a ‘target’ or ‘goal’.
5.   There is no context behind anything you are presented with or presenting to others.

(end of quote)

I believe that my stat does not comply fully with the above, although to some extent it may adjust to some of the items above stated. In full disclosure, I normally go in deeper into the data and insights, but I need to know the business from inside out, it´s strategic and tactical objectives, and then, and only then, can I take things to the next level.


As to the image stretching, I can´t master it any better yet. Things look pretty good on various of my devices, although it’s true that screen resolution on them is excellent and may not be the standard, so other devices may take sizing on with a worse visual result.


Lastly, I use a period separator to separate groups of 3 digits due to that being the default in my country (the comma is used as a decimal separator). Same can be said on date formats, where day and month are inverted depending on the country you’re in.

See for example:



Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator
When one country uses a coma as a decimal separator, they normally use the comma as the thousand’s separator and vice-versa.

You mean data dump? because there is a significant difference between puke and dump, former comes from above and the latter comes from below. I hope you didn't mean that OP digested data dumps by theymos and puked them here. lol.


Disclaimer: I've added that part in red.
Good thing, this kind of data and stretched out images are not generally for our eye's comfort. you are moaning like Jet Cash. stop moaning.


4,704 posts per day means those 196 online users are posting 24 posts every day as you said in your quote above, there are at least 100 people with more than 50 accounts each posting around 1200-1500 every day. *cryptopussies is a small example of such forum members.

*lol.

Great job on this. I enjoyed reading your data puke.

Just some comments tho:

- It is generally painful for the eyes to see stretched out images (seen in your excel tables)
- Why do you use a period (.) instead of commas (,) as number serparators? (seen in your charts)