Topic: Fortunejack refusing to pay 5 BTC *STAY FAR AWAY* - page 2. (Read 1232 times)

Well to be honest I expected more from you reputable members , and DT or whatever .

Op is being accused of multi accounts ,  but in case FJ actually released yesterday a withdrawal for the other account their accusing him of being linked . Then this is extremelly fishy to say the least .    It's true that email might be fake as you say Lauda  , but as long as FJ haven't commented on this yet , Op's claim still stands , but you guys are literally on a witchhunt against the OP while ignoring some facts from an objective point of view .
Honestly I expected more from experienced members such as yourselves .

PS: I'm a regular player at FortuneJack , depositing regularly , withdrawing etc . Haid my fair share of issues with them regarding some higher amount withdrawals but it all got solved in a few days.

If your system is superior you really should go out there and sell it to big brand casinos (not only crypto ones) and you'd make a killing considering they'd save a lot on administrative fees.

As for the TOS this is how any larger legitimate casino operates. You can just go through all the big ones that you can find out there in the world and you will see.. It's nothing about "Avoid these poor TOS sites" - if anything you'd run a greater risk of losing money if you find the opposite (as they'll most likely be small-time nonamers).

I guess this should serve as a lesson to all gamblers out there that do not gamble with Bookmakers/Casinos who have poor TOS. I'm kinda disappointed TBH how the crypto gambling industry is handling the multi-account situation there are far better ways to detect multi-accounts than merely IPs ^{( which I have explained here )}. UIDs are far better at detecting multi-accounts and have a very low rate of false-positive scenarios. If a solo developer like me could implement a UID verification system and would outright block the registration of a new account if the user's UID matched someone else, preventing the loss of time and money for both me and them, I expect these casinos to go above and beyond.

I do understand this is one of the ways these casinos make money and one could argue all day about reading TOS before you put your money in these casinos but TBH I believe they don't need to rely on these practices. Like if the OP had lost the bets etc the casino would have gladly swallowed the losses but when its time to pay up, they go through all this verification and stuff, TBH its shady behaviour in my opinion and this isn't just limited to FJ, I have seen a couple of other casinos which have similar TOS. What you as a gambler can do is stop gambling at these casinos and demand better TOS. Otherwise, why not just burn your private keys/seed?

Also if this is the industry standard, It looks like the most profitable business to me. Basically, in theory, one could run a casino with similar TOS and when the times come to pay up large sums and your bankroll is kinda running low, You create a fake IP log of sorts and bail yourself out by not paying the amount due and by returning the original deposited amount. No one would be able to argue against you since you will already have established your brand and one-off cases would be dismissed as trolls and shit. I will look around and see how many bookmakers and dice websites have these kinds of TOS and are going unnoticed. Looks like a quite lucrative business to me... hmm.

I wouldn't even red trust the OP so that's where my opinion is. I accept all opinions but will challenge them accordingly.

I'm asking you and Lauda (who red-trusted allahabadi using your post as reference). allahabadi may have a bias against FJ just like you and Lauda may have a bias favorable to FJ. Do we need red trust for that or just a "~" and move on?

Are you asking me or someone else? I've not left any red trust for allahabadi and just said that if he thinks my opinion can be overlooked due to the sig I wear than his opinion an be overlooked since he jumps at every chance to shit on FJ.

In what way does this post make trading with allahabadi high-risk, as per the red trust reference? Even assuming OP's claim is frivolous - he/she isn't being red-trusted but someone discussing the claim in the thread is. That paints a sad picture of FJ signature campaign.

I am advising FJ that no further time needs to be wasted on this. If you break the ToS, then you can go home.

Amelik just don't care about what others said, sites like these are forced to prove you are having an another account not otherwise, they have the resources which you don't.

As I am a person that travels a lot, for me it's normal and usual to connect from a public mcdonalds or starbucks when I am away to check what games are on. When I am being asked by bet365 my last public ip's, it's not my job nor obligation to provide them with such things. Each time after 1 rush call speaking with the manager, he gets soft and things get back to normal.

Crossing at a moment an IP with someone can be so easily, more if you live in a state where online gambling is not legal yet and maybe you're using a VPN.

OP withdraw your claim and read the ToS again.

Again, you seem to be one of the people that want these companies to do what YOU think is right and just. If you register from the same IP and sometimes login from the same IP then the abuse is obvious, it doesn't matter what you think or how you feel about it. Companies and especially gambling sites are not in the marketplace of feelings.

EDIT; If you tell me that my opinion can be overlooked due to me wearing a sig then the same thing might as well be said for you since you have for years now followed FJ and tried to discredit them, right?

This was left by you in 2018:


"Will remove once solved", press the Reference link and the title says "[SOLVED]" and the thread is locked.

Yes, you can always ignore logic and facts for whatever reason you see fit.

Putting up IP's that are linking accounts together is not convincing? Even after the fact that the user in question says "Uhm yeah me and some buddies at work all registered on the same day, whaddya know"..

Definitely interesting, but not surprising. If I wud hv stuck 5BTC I wud hv def tried to inquire in my circle as to who others shared same site and ip. maybe he hadn't inquired prior to this day.



I think FJ needs to really put up some convincing things and not just whims... It's quite a plausible story infact if FJ conducted a Skype KYC for the other person, they shud do so for him too..


P.S. We can simply ignore the sell your soul sign wearers on the forum.

It is quite interesting that in your initial remark in the FJ thread you "have no idea who the F this patdugan is and that IP is so far away from where I live" but then when FJ further solidified their claims against you, it all became clear and apparent.

I've been gambling for the better part of my life and sometimes this is just how it goes. When I lived at home me and my brother played at a casino once (different PC same IP), we both used the welcome bonus and while I lost and he won they wouldn't let him withdraw due to multi accounting abuse. If you accept any type of bonus and you are on the same IP (whether it's home or work) you've fucked up. There is no other way around it, their terms and their rules state this when you make an account.

Do you want me to post a screenshot of him getting $50 billion from FJ? Screenshots of alleged email conversations are evidence of nothing - faking email conversations is beyond trivial. Time to get educated, we do not live in the 90s. Until FJ confirms this has happened, he has no valid ground.

Actually he has some valid ground now , if FJ considers he's using another account , "PaDugan"  , then why would they process the withdrawal for the other account they're accusing him of owning .

If you can prove this, sure if not you need to drop this. Thanks.

Once again I am not a cheating multiaccounter. I made 1 account and logged into the site on the same IP as my coworker. I guarantee you 98% of the logins we are accessing the site from different IP's. I'm sure there have been times where we have been logged in at the same time on different IP's. We probably even have opposite wagers here and there. They posted a screenshot of us in different cities 50 miles apart logging in 18 minutes apart!

I work for a top 100 company in the world with most of the work force males between 25-60. 75%+ of us gamble online. Unfortunately we are in a state where sportsbetting is not legal yet so we are forced to use shady offshore sites like FJ.

I know for a fact that other coworkers here use the same offshore books and have 0 issues (5D, Heritage, Bookmaker, Nitrogen etc...).
Only FJ has a problem with me and my $50k+ winnings. Hell they even paid my coworker this morning that they are accusing me of being! WTF...

 
Thank you very much for choosing transparency FJ, but how do you explain this?

Also curious to know why you paid the PatDugan account, knowing fully well he is a cheating multi accounter and then refusing to pay his other account?

Thanks!
 

The plot thickens further 🧐🧐🧐