Topic: Fortunejack refusing to pay 5 BTC *STAY FAR AWAY* - page 3. (Read 1198 times)

'PatDugan' forwarded me the email regarding the payout they received this morning from FJ. 0 issues. Funny you would think if they are accusing this user of multi-accounting with myself they wouldn't pay them...

I guess only 50k warrants them to make up some bs to get out of paying.

https://ibb.co/2sJLm9C

Usually it is brother/sister/friend/aunt/uncle/25th-removed cousin, but this works too.

Copying from the other FJ site thread:

I reviewed the "shared" IP address and discovered this IP belongs to my my work office wifi. Once I got that info I was able to confirm that 'PatDugan' (not his real name) is a coworker of mine. We both signed up on the same day in 2019 when another coworker told us about the site (possibly explains why there are 3 users?). We are different people who happened to login at the same IP at one point, but we should not be considered multi-accounts.  This is just an excuse for FortuneJack not to pay me for my big win a couple weeks ago.

As you posted on the prior screenshot with the two IP's logging in 18 minutes apart one was in VA and one was in Baltimore. Everyone knows it is impossible to travel from VA to Baltimore in under 75 minutes. Clearly we are two separate people.

"Pat" (again not his real name) has been frequently depositing and withdrawing without a problem. When we just spoke, he told me that he just received a withdrawal today!
  
'Pat' told me that FortuneJack performed a KYC check via skype a few weeks ago.  Why was one not requested for me? Maybe I'll ask him for a screenshot of the payout you sent him this morning...Why would you continue to pay one user and not the other if you think we are scamming you by making multiple accounts? That makes a lot of sense.

As I previously mentioned multiple times from day one my account has been registered to my email which is my name and phone number. I have offered to send a copy of the phone bill. I've offered to send additional documentation as well. Since you have all the IP's you will see the IP with only 1 user accessing it is my house in the town near where I live. I have no problem sending a mortgage statement and additional documentation showing that I live near that town.

Since you verified 'PatDugan' you should be able to easily determine that we are 2 separate users. I'm sure many people on this forum have a friend or coworker that also has an account on the same gaming site they use.

FYI for everyone on here FJ has not responded to my emails, they only seem to want to post here regarding the issue. This should be a private discussion but since they don't want to respond they have left me no choice but to come here and other sites. I am not going to give up or stop until I get paid...

The registration date and the time they login somehow show that they are connected considering they have same ip. AFAIK having same public IP is common when using a vpn which maybe the OP will used as reason. But the proof is no doubt that the 2 account is connected. 

Gona put here the official response from FortuneJack in case they won't post in this thread aswell


OP care to comment ?

I never said OP had a case, read again I said present more proofs if possible.

But yeah your statement that none such claim has been True is a lie clearly, since I presented a claim that was TRUE.


P.S.
My English is far better than yours, so suck it.

What more proof can he possibly provide? Its difficult as its FJ's word against the op's.

Just saw on the FJ thread that they are not denying the op is a player on their platform nor are they saying his accusations are baseless. The only discrepancy I see is the amount involved. Op claims its 5.25 btc, but according to FJ’s screenshot his balance is 4.74 btc.




I’m confused as to why FJ posted that screenshot in the first place. It clearly proves nothing as both IPs are in two different states. One is in Maryland and the other Virginia. Two different states with over 250 kilometers between them.

FJ must know something we don’t know, some kind of evidence that proves the op was multi accounting. But they’ve posted, just like Lauda above that, they will only show their smoking gun - detailed proof - to official representatives. Who are these official representatives? Who made them representatives? What are they representatives of? Wouldn't it be much easier to present the op with the said evidence and get it over with?

I'm open to giving FJ the benefit of the doubt, but this stinks badly. What is multi accounting anyway? What benefits could be derived from owning more than one account on a sports betting website? Does it make any difference to how much we lose? Wasn't it multi accounting when he was losing?

Hopefully this all a mix up and the op gets paid soon. Pull your fingers out FJ. My 2¢.

I’ve submitted the case to AskGamblers but they won’t take it as the play was all sportsbook and they only deal with online casinos. The case isn’t really about the nature of play so not sure why they wouldn’t, but I’ve still been in contact with them.

Once again I ask how am I suppose to prove I only have made one acct there? The ball is in their court to prove their accusation to hold my 50k hostage...

Looks like they verify users via Skype KYC but they haven’t bothered to reach out to me to do that.

My statement holds true. Read it again and take some English lessons. OP has no case until proven otherwise.


Cheers.

Ahem Ahem

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3463720.60 (This claim of shady act on part of FJ was TRUE and they did give the guy his money back, but after much pestering.) Looks like the sign wearers also hv to sell der soul.

@OP see this and do provide more proofs.

Not really sure what evidence you want me to post to prove that I don't have multi-accounts on FJ?

Summary of what occurred:

Randomly came across FJ just reading about BTC sportsbooks on various forums. Signed up in April 2019 at FJ confirmed my email (which is my name @gmail.com) confirmed my cell phone number. Even my username on FJ has part of my name in it. Deposited a very small amount in BTC $100 at most to check it out. I lost it within a few weeks placing sports bets. Got some bs bonus spins in the casino and maybe a small free play. They all lost. Never played in the casino besides the free spin bonus bs they give.

I didn't login again until about 2-3 weeks ago. I was getting sick of my current site Heritage where I have been a verified user for over 8+ years. They changed the layout of the site recently. Withdrew .2 btc to my personal wallet. Deposited that same BTC on FJ from my personal wallet.

I started placing some sports bets immediately. Both normal wagers and some live action. I started winning...a lot. Once I got up I started playing aggressively with house money and worked my way up to 5.25 BTC in a matter of 2-3 weeks. Never accepted any bonuses or free play. Never went near the casino. It was all just sports bets in-game and pregame.

I go to withdrawal a couple BTC and get an error message to contact customer service. I posted the screenshot in a previous post. At this point in the 10 months I've been on the site not once have I ever had any communication with FJ. I go to live chat and ask why I am being contacted to contact CS and they say you will receive an email. No additional info. The next morning I receive an email:

"Hello amelik2,
Your account has been found to be associated with multi-accounting and/or association with PatDugan which in and of itself is considered illegitimate use of the website. As this is in direct and explicit conflict with FortuneJack's Terms & Conditions, any winnings garnered during illegitimate website use shall be void.
Any subsequent Games or Services that you participate in with funds obtained from illegitimate website use shall also be void.
Further, since you have been found to have actively participated in illegitimate multi-accounting activity for the purpose of monetary gain, which is in direct violation of FortuneJack's Terms & Conditions, your account has been terminated.
 Any future dispute or accusations will be met with similarly strict measures, and possible legal action.
The amount you deposited was credited back to you account.
You are able to log in to your profile and proceed the withdrawal.
As soon as the withdrawal is released, your account will be disabled.
If you believe this was sent in error, please reply to this email or reach out to our customer service team directly."

I login to the site and they did in fact adjust my balance to my original deposit and blocked me from accessing the sports section of the website.

I wrote back to the email saying what? this is bs...please provide evidence of this accusation and offered to verify my identity. I would post that email but it contains my personal info. There wasn't much more to it than what I stated.

The next morning I get a response from them:

"System has flagged your account alongside with PatDugan , since you have been found to have actively participated in illegitimate multi-accounting activity, security team blocked the account.
Your deposit has been credited, you can withdraw your deposit after which, the account will be terminated.
Decision is final and will not be changed."

I wrote back again the same thing I wrote the first time. Asking why they are making this bs accusation. I dont know who the F 'PatDugan' is. This was Friday morning and I have yet to receive a response.

Not once has FJ ever asked me to verify my info. They have yet to provide any reason/evidence as to how they came to this conclusion.

What benefit would I have from making another account on FJ? Clearly limits were not an issue since I turned .2 into over 5 BTC. I never touched a FP or Bonus. If I wanted to have another account I would have just gone back to Heritage, 5Dimes, Bookmaker, or Nitrogen all places that I have had accounts on with 0 issues.

I have no reason to lie I won fair and square and they know it. You all should be concerned that 5 BTC is leading them to pull this BS. They are slow as hell to respond and when they do there is lack of any additional info.

 

First you need to consider the gravity of your accusation, you are ruining the reputation of a well established gambling site, I suggest you put all the necessary evidence you have in order to make this thread more interesting, if not, then you have no business here.

it's easy to accuse without evidence, you have to remember that, it's a lot of money, if you can't do it by yourself, go seek some help to get the money they robbed in you, according to you.

LOl, that didn't take long, you couldn't resist could you? Since when did you become their official spokesperson? Thankfully, the negative you left me means fark all to me and is the worst you can do. Try harder stupid shill.

And I guess that by “one of us” you meant yourself? A known FJ shill? You must think everyone here is as dumb as you’re? Why hide the evidence, if any, when it would be best practice showing it publicly to reassure players?


@FJ, how did the op break your terms? Why have you decided not to pay him?

Please tell us, so that some of us that play on your platform or that are considering it, will rest assured, knowing that when we win fairly we won't get stiffed out of our winnings. It's ok to ask, right?



 

To be fair, he just said "it would be great if FJ chimed in".

I don't see how OP could provide any proof: if he's lying (historically, the most likely scenario), he'll just repeat that the accusations are baseless. If he's telling the truth, there's not much he can do to prove it, either.

The only ones able to provide clarity are FJ, and if they choose to, they'll probably post information on IP address, browser timestamps etc which will convince anyone with half a brain that the accusations here are baseless. If they don't, however, I don't see how this thread can become anything else than a waste of time.

They do not need to provide you with proof of anything here, nor elsewhere publicly. You are confused as to what you and others are entitled to. Should they choose to, it is sufficient for them to show one of us.

Great, here we go again. Degen posts a complaint about unfair practices by casino and accounts wearing accused casinos signature pop up to defend it. Only on bitcointalk. 

I don’t see how the op can provide proof here. He is the one being accused of breaking FJ’s rules and terms. The burden of proof is on FJ.
Yes, some gamblers cheat, but books are also known to be scummy too and will not payout if they can get away with it.
 
It would be great if FJ chimes in and show proof why they think the op broke their rules, otherwise players should stay away from FJ and casinos that arbitrarily decide to keep players funds and winnings.

I will post in the correct format when I am able to get on a computer. There is no detailed convo to post as they refuse to have any convo. I’ve simply received two emails from them claiming I have another acct and they aren’t paying me my winnings. No further details besides that. 

This is cool. Can you post the detailed conversation between you and FJ support. So that we can evaluate your situation. I have same issue before when I won some good amount of BTC. They hold my withdrawal because I have another account which I didn't use already for 3 years since I don't remember the password and email before. They release my funds after I explained that I don't used the account for a long time ago. It's funny that they do background check everytime a user win huge amount of money. 

No one saying about accounts or any thing just post all details and give solid proof as @bL4nkcode give you link please post in this format then members can understand better and give you better response about your scam as you post here no one can help you in any thing you are wasting your time.