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Firstbits.com/1fg4i :)
Interesting project
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so, you can cross-out solar-power as power supply options in that OTX/Region.
thats why you shouldn't be surprised by "natural resources boom" as much as anyone need power and comfort as well as engineering power, need for both this power creation, and other technical options in different areas of human activity.
this all and cheap energy&cold climate make Russia far more interesting option as well as Scandinavian countries.
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It's probably not a good idea to put a mesh over them full time. It will definitely reduce your output by shading the cells. Any crystalline module (the ones most commonly available) will have greatly reduced output with only part of one cell shaded. It has to do with the way each cell works and the fact that they are connected in series. I would suggest that you only cover them when absolutely necessary. Most name-brand glass-faced panels are rated for hailstones up to 1 inch diameter. I don't know what size hail you get there, but if it's larger than that and relatively infrequent, covering them only when there's a chance of hail will get you better ROI than having a mesh over them.
I was thinking about chicken wire, it's not that bad, it only cuts out some of the incident light, and adds protection against floating debris and birds.



Remember I won't be on-location to keep things clean all the time. We had hailstones of over 4 inches once. Again, very rare, but very large. Usually it's no bigger than a nail but we had a year where half the village experienced see-through roofs after a storm. As for the snow, maybe a few small mirrors mounted near the top of the panels could be enough to create a melting spot.

wind power?  how are those rare earth metals environmentally concious?
just sayin...
I already have some lower quality ones, or I'll use some recycled alternator parts or something. I will promise you to keep away from buying new shiny Chinese neodymium magnets Cheesy
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It's similar to Chicago in weather, if you live in the USA. I intend to use a steel mesh net to protect against large diameter hale (very rare, but very large), and for snow I have to either wait for the sun to shine long enough to melt the snow (remember that the cells absorb photon energy, even visible rays have a heating effect) or use a flipping mount which can rotate to dust off the snow from time to time.

It's probably not a good idea to put a mesh over them full time. It will definitely reduce your output by shading the cells. Any crystalline module (the ones most commonly available) will have greatly reduced output with only part of one cell shaded. It has to do with the way each cell works and the fact that they are connected in series. I would suggest that you only cover them when absolutely necessary. Most name-brand glass-faced panels are rated for hailstones up to 1 inch diameter. I don't know what size hail you get there, but if it's larger than that and relatively infrequent, covering them only when there's a chance of hail will get you better ROI than having a mesh over them.

As for snow, it's much easier to use a snow rake than to tip panels around when they're covered in heavy snow. Also more cost effective than buying movable mounts.
See here for a low cost snow rake: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0ipbXxfZs
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wind power?  how are those rare earth metals environmentally concious?
just sayin...

Because they are dug out of the ground using chariots pulled by dolphins!
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wind power?  how are those rare earth metals environmentally concious?
just sayin...
legendary
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not much snow in Romania in winter?[sorry for asking, buy i never been in Romania "in person"]
if so, update solar panels with cleaning machinery and/or use snow-proof installation[cost some power efficiency, usually].
or try diversify power supply between TYPES of generation, like add few vertical wind turbines or even build geothermal power station[thats more expensive, but have longer TTL].
It's similar to Chicago in weather, if you live in the USA. I intend to use a steel mesh net to protect against large diameter hale (very rare, but very large), and for snow I have to either wait for the sun to shine long enough to melt the snow (remember that the cells absorb photon energy, even visible rays have a heating effect) or use a flipping mount which can rotate to dust off the snow from time to time. As explained in the first post, wind turbines are needed since they're cheap and low maintenance and I have plenty of space to plant them.

I know there will be extremes (like cloudy snowy but calm winter days and very bright and windy summer days) and I can only hope to level those off with some batteries, emergency grid hopping or even using a petrol generator in case of black-outs. I don't know yet if it's more important to run at higher capacity and shut down when out of power, or gradually reduce usage to have uninterrupted uptime.
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not much snow in Romania in winter?[sorry for asking, buy i never been in Romania "in person"]
if so, update solar panels with cleaning machinery and/or use snow-proof installation[cost some power efficiency, usually].
or try diversify power supply between TYPES of generation, like add few vertical wind turbines or even build geothermal power station[thats more expensive, but have longer TTL].
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<-- Solar expert. No really, it's what I do for a living.

It's a nice idea. Just remember how much power a mining setup consumes every day though. If you're serious about it, I'd be willing to help with your remewable energy system design. I can help with wiring diagrams, system design, installation recommendations, etc. I have many years of experience putting systems together.
I consulted some "solar maps" and for this specific region and a typical 1Wp silicon monocrystaline cell, I would get during daytime about 1W in the winter and 4W in the summer, at a 45 degrees orientation. This works well for the summer, but for the winter I would get less than half my needed capacity. I guess it works out if I consider the cooling costs of running in the summer, and I can throttle my energy usage during the night. Thanks for the interest, I'll look you up when I'll start designing this.
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Presumably I would have some form of remote desktop control, video surveillance and hire a local to investigate things on demand (when he is not drunk out of his mind). Damn it, now I need to think about backup uplinks and remote controlled locks.

Common wisdom would be to use this location only for mining, any pool (personal or public) payments could be diverted to dormant wallets stored securely somewhere or everywhere. In case of break-in, they would just loot or destroy the hardware.
Yeah, gotta love Romanian peasants! Grin (My wife grew up in Romania, so it's not that I'm xenophobic or anything...)

Sorry if I sounded too negative before, actually it's a beautiful idea and I'm actually dreaming of my own solar powered mining farm, but I just wanted to caution you against an unmanned shack somewhere that could easily be torn apart if nobody watched for a couple of days.
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<-- Solar expert. No really, it's what I do for a living.

It's a nice idea. Just remember how much power a mining setup consumes every day though. If you're serious about it, I'd be willing to help with your remewable energy system design. I can help with wiring diagrams, system design, installation recommendations, etc. I have many years of experience putting systems together.

How many BTC for a 1 KW panel setup, inverter, and charging controller?
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<-- Solar expert. No really, it's what I do for a living.

It's a nice idea. Just remember how much power a mining setup consumes every day though. If you're serious about it, I'd be willing to help with your remewable energy system design. I can help with wiring diagrams, system design, installation recommendations, etc. I have many years of experience putting systems together.
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I think solar + bitcoin is a beautiful combination.
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Can you not grow poppies there instead? lol
I don't use drugs, and nobody in my family or circle of friends does, it would be useless for me. And a field of ripe poppy seeds one hour away from my home surrounded by poor peasants that desperately need money to drink so badly they break any laws possible would not be a wise idea. Plus I think they're regulated, civilians can't grow plants with traces of drugs in them, you need a special permit.

Sorry, "Lol" is english slang for "I'm not being serious".

Nobody who uses opium would have the motivation to plant, harvest, and process poppy plants.
legendary
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Can you not grow poppies there instead? lol
I don't use drugs, and nobody in my family or circle of friends does, it would be useless for me. And a field of ripe poppy seeds one hour away from my home surrounded by poor peasants that desperately need money to drink so badly they break any laws possible would not be a wise idea. Plus I think they're regulated, civilians can't grow plants with traces of drugs in them, you need a special permit.
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Can you not grow poppies there instead? lol
legendary
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With the current hostility going on (DDoS attacks on pools, accounts being hacked and BTC stolen, speculation driving the price around like crazy...) you surely need a guard on watch 24/7 that can thwart any invaders. If you "only" use an alarm system, by the time you get there all your precious hardware will be gone or just blown to smithereens.
Presumably I would have some form of remote desktop control, video surveillance and hire a local to investigate things on demand (when he is not drunk out of his mind). Damn it, now I need to think about backup uplinks and remote controlled locks.

Common wisdom would be to use this location only for mining, any pool (personal or public) payments could be diverted to dormant wallets stored securely somewhere or everywhere. In case of break-in, they would just loot or destroy the hardware.
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I'd like to do something similar.

doubt you'll have excess power, but could also sell to power co.

would include mesh wifi, tor, i2p, freenet, pirate box, and maybe a thing-o-matic.

donation linke between "mine" contains donation addy.
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With the current hostility going on (DDoS attacks on pools, accounts being hacked and BTC stolen, speculation driving the price around like crazy...) you surely need a guard on watch 24/7 that can thwart any invaders. If you "only" use an alarm system, by the time you get there all your precious hardware will be gone or just blown to smithereens.
legendary
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underground den

Bitcoin bunker? Very cool project. Can you post a BTC address for donations?
TO THE BITCOIN BUNKER!... that sounds like a cool idea to focus on. If the project starts anytime soon, I'll ask for donations for hosting and maintaining the sub-community dedicated to such endeavors. I will most likely start on the documentation and prototyping of the system by next month, I'm waiting to see if bitcoin can gracefully handle the popularity down-slope from the recent events and press, my current assumption is the long-term investment stability.

i think it would be more profitable to build self contained, self powered mining modules that connect using wifi Tongue
Yes, I thought about making low-power long-term autonomous mining "bird houses", the main issue with those is there are not many hardware devices that can handle the role, either they use little power but need 20 years to pay off the hardware (by which time they basically break down), or the cost is too prohibitive for a device that could be jacked in two hours. Mining rigs hardware pays for itself in less than two months on the other hand... and having both redundant and centralized components allows for balancing efficiency.

nice idea, IMO.
p.s.
north Europe[including Russian part]expect data-center boom in future Wink
I am sure this will happen, there are many fortune aspiring young lads that could ride on the recent natural resources boom in the Eurasian area.
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