Topic: Freebitco gamblin' stream currently live :) - page 7. (Read 4366 times)

Quite true.  You have to wager over 0.01btc every day to make it increase at all.  Otherwise it just goes backwards instead.  Every hour, it decreases the percent towards a bonus and when it reaches 0%,  it takes away any bonus you have earned and starts decreasing from 99% again.  This repeats until you've been pushed all the way back to the smallest free roll reward amount.  So to keep it moving forward AND keep it at a respectable level, you have to constantly be betting with multiply game.  A bot such as mine automates that for you.

Freebitco is a good faucet but their payments are annoyingly small!

Yeah, that's part of why we have a higher house edge. Referral income is 0.25% and RP cost another 0.25% then bonus BTc.... etc. all come out of that house edge. That's what actually makes us competitive with lower house edge sites.

None of that changes the fact that you haven't invented a way to walk on water. Some customers get lucky and win, others don't. Your betting script is designed to maximise the referral income you get, not you referrals chances of winning.

I know you don't believe this but casinos like to see customers win, so congratulations on your lucky streak. All casinos want is customers to play and give them a chance to make a profit.

The more stake i give it,  the more rewards points it earns,  the higher the free roll reward goes.  Just because it bets a lot over time doesnt mean its not gaining anything.  Just watch as I document this in real time for the entire planet to see.  I doubled the account already and it looks like it will happen again today as well from the looks of my live stream balance.  You think it will lose more sessions than it wins.  I dont even disagree with that.  However,  within this lifetime,  its going to win more than it losses.  I dont care about the time where I am worm bait lol.

You just keep thinking the way you do and I'll just keep doubling the account balance live on stream  Just sit back and watch me defy the odds heh.  Is it going to lose a couple times,  sure.  But ive also witnessed it winning far more than it losses.  The long losing streak that we all know is coming, is so far into the future that I will be worm bait before those circumstances happen.  You seem to think otherwise.  This is why I say time will tell.  The interesting thing im wondering is what will your argument be once you see me prove this and surpass 1btc without having a losing record lol.  Or even 10btc for that matter.  The more it wins,  the harder it will be for those perfect storm circumstances to happen.

LOL. Time just makes something take longer. It doesn't change the odds.



The stake is the total risk not the amount of each bet.

Someone that deposits 1 BTC and tries to win 0.001 BTC has a better chance than someone that deposits 0.001 and tries to win 1.0

Your system tries to win a little based on a large amount risked.

You're not fooling anyone here but please do bring more customers to freebitco.in

Actually you have it backwards because you continually forget that I am using time to my benefit.  I use a LOW stake for a HIGH reward, not the other way around because that decreases time,  not increase.  The legend for my script with all the abbreviations is on the site I linked at the beginning of this thread.  Its near the bottom of the page so that you can see what all the stats mean.  Btw I will be doubling the account yet again today,  you can watch it live on my stream

If he is claiming the faucet we have detection systems and if they pick that up then the accounts will get blocked from the faucet.

The higher house edge is counteracted by all the bonuses. In the end, it will end the same with any house edge. Using a script long enough will converge the result towards the expected value.

Anyone can use Seuntjies DiceBot and use the programmer mode to create their own script. All the sites available there paid Seuntjie to add them.
https://bot.seuntjie.com/

All this guy is doing is using a system with a high stake and low profit target which is designed to try and take a long time to lose and thus fool people into thinking it works.

Hmm yes, there is no reason to stop his bot to be honest, if he is not breaking any other rule, though I think if the bot is also automatically collecting the faucet then it must be at least unfair to other honest people. The site like most faucets run on advertising so bots are not giving him any advertising results.

The edge is so high on this site that he must eventually lose. Just let that happen and his game will end.

broke_tradah, please give explanation about your APP LEGEND
(WL: Win or Loss result, B: The bet used for this roll, C: The current balance of the account)

Example 1:
WL:w|B:-|C:0.06775612|M:-
WL:l|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775611|M:10.00
WL:l|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775610|M:6.99
WL:w|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775622|M:6.99

Example 2:
WL:w|B:-|C:0.06775659|M:-
WL:l|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775658|M:10.00
WL:l|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775657|M:6.99
WL:w|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775669|M:6.99

Example 3:
WL:w|B:-|C:0.06775691|M:-
WL:l|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775690|M:10.00
WL:l|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775689|M:6.99
WL:w|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775701|M:6.99

Do I understand correctly script made a bet 0.00000001 BTC with PAYOUT 6.99 and won 0.00000012 BTC.

I really don't want to stop it. It's just a script that will lose eventually. All he's doing is playing very low odds so it'll have a chance to go on a very long winning streak before the inevitable bust. Equally someone else could start off and get the bust immediately and lose their whole deposit. Overall for freebitco.in it is a good thing if he brings in referrals that deposit and play because that increases our turnover and then the house edge gives us a statistically probable profit.

If someone is willing to risk 0.05000000 to win 0.00000547 then they stand a good chance of winning but it will be very painful when they lose.

All I'm trying to do here is to point that out to people that they shouldn't fall for his snake oil.

Is there not a way to stop this? He says he is online 24/7, so his bot must be running 24/7 to be profitable. How about setting a time restriction on connections that are online for periods longer than 2 hours for instance? There must be effective counter measure for bots like this. 

Just implement a rule for connections that are running 2 hours or longer will be "disconnected" and "disabled" for a period of time. He will then have to switch to other accounts and it might even disrupt his process. 

If he wants to f#$% you around, then just do the same to him. 

I missed this bit.


You actually answered a question.


No, I was saying you were full of shit and would say anything to get suckers using your dice script. I was pointing out the contradiction in you saying that and then going on to say a load of bullshit about provably fair.


The edge pays for all the extras that you get... the RP that you cash in... the referral income... etc. As you again conveniently ignored:


What I'm accusing you of is lying about what your bot can do. Shit like this:


Equating gambling to a dividend paying investment. You make out that your bot is somehow giving people an advantage when it isn't. Someone could simply bet 0.000547 at 1.01x once a day and have a 94.06% chance. There is nothing your bot is doing to enhance that. By making more bets you are actually reducing their chances:

https://steemit.com/gambling/@seuntjie/why-botting-doesn-t-work-at-casinos

You just want them to reduce their chances so you get higher referral income. That's why I'm calling you out and not getting distracted with all your irrelevant arguments.

And?  What does proving a roll externally have to do with what the site actually does?  Are you insinuating that "provably fair" forces the site to use a provably fair result for a roll?  Because it does not,  it's optional for the site to do.  Just because a roll CAN be created with a provably fair algo,  doesnt mean it actually IS.  I could make a site that has 17 million "provably fair" rolls and easily sneak in a few that are not "provably fair".  Especially if I suspect the person is using a bot and not likely checking them.  "Probably fair" is about as useful as the text it's written in when you're using 100s of thousands of data points which makes it impractical to check every roll.  That is exactly why I even mentioned it.  So even though the CLEINT seed is RANDOMIZED by my bot (as recommended by freebitco itself,  but for whatever reason,  their own JS does not make the client do this,  kinda sketchy dont you think lol),  that doesnt mean jack shit as far as actual security of every roll goes and every person using a bot (or the site in general) should know this fact.

Now, do I suspect Freebitco sneaks in a few non-provably fair results?  No,  and I say so in that readme (which you didnt mention).  Because if it did,  I simply wouldnt use Freebitco and neither would anyone else if it were to ever be discovered.  But COULD it?  Absolutely.  So the possibility still exists that the practice could be started even though it may not have happened in the past.  This is why I've also thought of putting in "automated validation" of every single roll.  But I have not done so... yet.  It would significantly reduce the speed of every roll.  I think that if freebitco is ever caught doing that,  it will NOT come from a normal user,  but will come from someone who uses a bot with autovalidation.

From your post,  I'd actually say that you're suggesting that freebitco is NOT the most well known/legit dice site around.  Is that what you are saying?  I dont get it.  Someone asked why I targetted a legit site rather than some scammish type site and I gave the reasons for it.  They are the same reasons that anyone else would use for avoiding a sketchy casino site.  To risky.

BTW,  lets be clear here.  No one is losing ANYTHING with my bot.  If they lose anything,  its that they are losing it to freebitco due to freebitco's super high house edge,  not because of my bot.  You're attempting to place blame where there is none.  It's not my fault that freebitco is a thief and stacks the deck against the users heavily compared to other sites.  You should bring that up next time you talk with whoever it is that runs the joint.  People like me view people like them as thieves and I have no problem telling it like it is.  The real thief here is Freebitco (or more correctly ANY casino for that matter).  They chose to be a casino,  I chose to be someone who uses casino websites as my own personal piggy bank.  Dont like it,  chose a new career or start an in-person physical brick & mortar casino where bots are impossible to use.  Thats how I view it.

Do not Trust.  Verify.

LMFAO at how much of a liar you are.

From your website:


You are a just liar that will say anything to try and dupe people into losing their money on you're pony dice script.

why are you acting like that ?? the quin and freebitcoin guys don't like to see people lose , they are sure that all guys lose in the long run
your bot will crash at some point , so don't try to sell it as a guaranteed method cause there is no way to beat the house edge especially in freebitcoin where you should lose 5 times more than other sites

it's cool you are streaming , but that doesn't mean you invented a money making machine and hope that your referrals realize that

You just set off the bullshit detector again. If you really had invented a way to beat the house edge then it would be far more profitable to play at a site with a lower house edge. What you have actually done is found a way to exploit naive referrals into believing your shit. You don't use it on any other site because you can exploit enough fools as it is.

No the public version I released does not work on other sites but thats not because it cant,  its simply because I have no need for it to.  Originally I started using freebitco a couple years ago and have simply not needed any other site for the purposes I use it for.

The reason I specifically target freebitco is because it has a referral program as well as a supporting infrastructure other than the casino itself (the mining operation).  I have also used it on peerbet but that site is currently getting drained by one of my other friends who runs an account called "morecoins".  Perhaps you've seen his betting before.  IDK if he's still doing it or not,  but he made quite a bit off peerbet.  I didnt like it though because it didnt have the faucet nor referral part which helps me lower the bite that the 5% edge has.  It would be great if freebitco lowered the edge but I can tell you,  it wouldnt last very long against a bot such as mine.  I also targeted freebitco because it's supported by more than just the multiply game which makes it more resistant to the effect of bots.  It can withstand larger losses for longer periods of time which bots can and will do.

I will however say that it's not a malicious targeting if that's what you're getting at.  It's just a bunch of different reasons that culminated in being the perfect target.  Personally I wouldnt target a scamming type of site because in order to get started,  it would require me to send a known scammer my initial capitol.  I'm smarter than that.  Also,  scamming sites are more likely to cheat,  which is another reason I purposely avoid sketchy casinos.  Freebitco is probably the most well known/legit operation as far as casinos go which makes it the perfect target for my purposes.

I think most users of this site wants you to lose, because the more coins you milk from this site, the higher the probability

that the owner might get fed up with this and eventually decide to close down the faucet.   ...Why did you specifically

target Freebitco.in? {and don't tell me it was because of the high house edge} There are a lot of Casino's out there that are

highly unethical {Scam sites}, which you could have targeted.   Does your bot work on other sites?

Hmm ok,  well then I'll tell you how I'll react.  I'll react with another withdrawal of 0.04 once it hits 0.08 again  And if it just happens to lose,  well then I've already got 0.04 from my previous win to put back in and try it again.  You seem to think I'm playing with my own capitol or something.  I'm playing with house money here heh.  Thats the end goal,  and I think someone already brought that up,  to which I replied "Im smart enough to NOT trade with my own capitol".  I treat both gambling AND trading pretty much the same.  I did not put in more than I could afford to lose and the second I was up,  I've never looked back.  I have not put in my own capitol in over a year.  So even if I lost everything,  I'd simply break even.  And it's my belief that this is a reproducible process.  Whether it is or not wont affect me since I've already made it successful for my purposes and I'm so far in the black that no amount of losing in either trading nor gambling around affect my long term BTC hodl positions.

Hmm,,  that personal stats page isnt very useful.  I just had to refresh it to update it.  Thats annoying.

I did not say that, I said I wanted to find out how you react.