Topic: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC🏎Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest - page 380. (Read 405405 times)

I am not under any false assumption of anything, I am making a observation based on the reaction of people receiving rewards on this forum and many other forums I have been part of. It is just natural for people to seek some method to thank someone, when they have received huge rewards and also for other reasons, for example Bragging / sharing joy / confirmation etc.

The fact that Wetsuit gives them the information in a email to do this, make this even more strange. We are dealing with mostly poor people here, and when they win $200 or even 1 or 2 bitcoins from a lottery, and they are given a link in a email to this thread to report it, makes me even more suspicious.

Have a look at the Giveaway section, and see what happens when services or companies give away $1 or $2 prizes, and what kind of response you get there. < Yes, it's in the same thread, but remember Wetsuit gives them the direct link to the thread, where they should report >

I am not making wild accusations or claiming a position of superiority. I make logical observations based on facts. You obviously have a lot of loyalty towards this site, so we will not agree on this matter, and most people's judgement are clouded, because they get free money on a hourly basis from this site, so it is natural for them to defend the cow that provide the free milk.

I on the other hand, wants this site to continue what they are doing in a truly provably fair environment, that would be without any grey areas, because I support the concept of helping the poor with free handouts like this. It helps with adoption of Bitcoin and it distributes wealth.

Question what is right in front of your eyes. Do not be blinded by the promise of free money, when the odds are greatly stacked against you. ^hmmmmmm^

Yes, you are right. The only reasons that I thought of raising money would be to increase the bankroll for larger max bets (hoping it will attract more volume) or to obtain a legitimate gambling license (from the EU, which is a long drawn and expensive process) and then to diversify into a full fledged provably fair casino which should greatly increase shareholder value if successful.

However, I am working on a couple of other ideas that I plan on linking to freebitco.in and which does not need raising capital, so offering investments has not been much of a priority since doing so would currently only reduce profitability. Maybe at some point in the future when I am able to pursue the above options.

Thanks for reply wetsuit and let me know when you will offer investment option. have few spare btc so why not be part of your site?

The lottery also promotes winning "up to" the millions of dollars touted in the jackpot advertisements, but is the fact that you never win the jackpot proof that the lottery is rigged? No, it's evidence that the odds of winning it are minuscule, which should be assumed logically for any jackpot style game. The same is true here. You should not be assuming that winning the top prize is a common occurrence, and the advertisement of winning "up to $200 every hour" is 100% factually accurate, the same as the advertisement of winning the jackpot for the lottery despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of people never do.

I didn't want to argue with you, but after this i have to write something. Its not really debate when you are trying to convince everyone here that this site is not fair. I read last few pages and only thing i can tell you is you are talking too much but you didn't say anything.
First of all "UP TO 200$" is very good promotion - and reward is real, only very hard to hit. I don't see you are "debating" when someone is promoting faucet with "UP TO 1000 SATOSHI" with 0.01% chance to hit, so why are you doing this with faucet with biggest reward?
Why do you think someone need to post 200$ winning? Its nice to see that guy hit max reward, but it wasn't his obligation to post it.

Yes, the system is easy to implement but this is the main reason I haven't done it so far.

this faucet gives winnings i tell you people. i know somebody who rolled almost biggest price in free roll.

Again, you're under the false assumption that anyone who wins is going to go and post it somewhere. You're also assuming your inability to find a post, if it exists, is indicative of an event never happening. Neither assumption logically proves anything you're claiming, and furthermore, since you're the one making wild accusations, the burden of proof is on you to substantiate your claims.

The "trolling" was the tone you took in your post in which you assumed that your logical leaps equated to indisputable facts, and proceeded to talk down for a position of claimed superiority that was not warranted.

I would venture to guess this would be a popular feature, but I would rather see the site stay privately owned and run. Once you instigate outside "ownership" stakes, the independence of the operation is not as sound as you have shareholders to please rather than doing what is best for the site. On top of that, there's no way the investment can ever pay off for shareholders. If they make a profit on their investment in the site, that's money you've lost that could have been solely your profit. It is only in your interest to sell interests in the site if people could never possibly recoup the cost of buying in, because that would maximize YOUR revenue generated from the site. The only time a business should sell interests to the public is when they legitimately need the funding to expand the business to make it more profitable. Selling interests just for the sake of selling interests, absent a real business need to raise funding, calls into question the motivation of doing so. As for market "demand," people invested in bitcoin are unsophisticated investors and pretty bad at evaluating fiscal decisions. They would buy a stake in just about any bitcoin business touted here. Just because you could sell interests in the business doesn't mean you should, as it would be taking advantage of a rather dull investor class that thinks they're going to get rich buying bitcoin and investing in bitcoin businesses.

For all these reasons, I would rather see the integrity of the site and you as the owner remain above question, which it currently is, by keeping the ownership of the site private.

I don't think you understand at all how the "rolls" work. You're not rolling a number, you're rolling a hash in sha-256. That hash is then converted into a decimal number mathematically, which is displayed to you as the number you see on your screen. The "roll" you see is just a generic animation. Your "roll" is determined before those numbers begin displaying to you, and they're pre-determined to show you whatever the decimal number is that your hash mathematically converts to. By the time those numbers begin spinning and revealing themselves to you, your "roll" is already determined. Nothing about the animation is random or undetermined at that point. On top of that, your hash is provably fair, and you can independently verify that it was fair and converts to the number your "roll" shows you.

As for the multiply section, the house edge is 5%. This is rather large in arena of dice sites. It's not a place that favors the gambler. All your anecdotal evidence is first, all hearsay and low value information, but more importantly, completely in line with a site with such a large gambler disadvantage.

Looking forward on that investment features. with the site advertising revenues and dice revenues, this will be surely profitable to shareholder and provide passive income.

OK, prove me wrong then, and post any link to a post where a user of Freebitco.in reported that they have won $200 from the faucet payouts. You will not find anything, because I did a thorough search. I even searched with Google and used Google translate to translate discussions in other languages on other forums, not related to Bitcointalk. I could not find one post or mention being made, that someone have won the maximum amount in the FREE PLAY.

I have also used every aspect of this site, from the Ad's to the multiplier and Lotto and charity and still feel that this site is one of the best faucets we have ever had, but I have my doubts about the system being 100% above board.

You see this as trolling, I see this as open debate. ^hmmmm^

What for? Freebitco.in is not a site where people interact with each other, so enabling any sort of tipping feature serves no purpose. The only use for that would be balance consolidation from multiple accounts into one (making it easier for the abusers).

This is not possible in Freebitco.in. The tipping or sharing is for the users who where registered under you or your referrals only.
If you want to give a coins to a Freebitco.in user that is not your referral, why don't you just send a coins to their deposit address in Freebitco.in from your own bitcoin wallet?

You mean to say tipping other users on the site who are using the site as well?

Do not know that will benefit you but it can help if the admin decides to start a "rain" system where people can rain coins to the active users or to any other user on the site.

I made a request some time ago usig the contact form. I love the percentage given from referals' claims. Too too too good. Thanks once again. But i needed to asked that a new feature be added on sharing. On site, i think one can only share coins with referals... could it be possible to share coins with a freebitco user who is not your referal or who is not on your referal list? Please i realy need it so greatly. Thanks.

Well, you could be right but i find it hard to believe it is fair that one keep losing huge amounts on bets consecutively till your account is drained. Dont you think? That system is not at the favour of users. I still insist it is reviewed.

Lol, there is no "bot" generating server seeds, they are just random strings. You could also change the client seed for every roll to influence the outcome (even offered as an option in auto-bet). Also, all client seeds are generated via javascript on the client side so we do not know what they are until the roll is played.

Numbers over 10,000 aren't possible because when a 8 character string is converted to decimal, the maximum value is 4294967295 and this is then divided by 429496.7295 so the max value can only be 10,000.

"Provably fair" is not just a word, it's the system that can be checked before and after every roll and there is no way we can generate a number in our favour. I wish more people would take time to read the provably fair tab because I spent a while writing everything in simple terms that everyone could understand, unlike many dice sites I see who claim to be provably fair but offer little to no explanation of the system they use.

Quite a few people have been asking about this so I have been considering offering an investment option. However, it won't be as straight forward as just investing in the bankroll, I was planning to offer "profit share" tokens that users could buy to share in the profits of the website. Not sure how much interest there would be in such a thing.

I sincerely appreciate freebitco for standing out thus far over time. They got a good work going but i still have somethings against them. Freebitco is having a cheating bot. This is very evident in their multiply btc section. I will come back to this. Now lets take a consideration of their free roll. I know very well that the site is giving free bitcoins every hour which is too good but does no one actually think there should be a high level of fairness in their bot settings? It seems the bot watches what you roll and then readjusts your outcome to favour the site rather. I think i heard or read somewhere that the highest roll is 10000 or so if am not mistaken.... but is that suppposed to be absolutely possible that no one could roll 3xxxx, 4xxxx, 6xxxx, 9xxxx, etc. Inotherwords cant people keep rolling about six digits numbers which in many cases would even be higher than 10000 and thats gives one the lucky payout of that six digits? Why i say this about the bot manipulating the numbers is that many times i roll and while it tries to end with a six digit numbers, the bot immediately re-roll again to give me a five digit number.... this isnt fair. Getting numbers above 10000 is not supposee to be a difficult task if someone should roll even for just 50 to 100 times. Then what about those who have rolles for over 500 times and have never gotten 10000. Its hard to believe. Please admin, you are already doing a nice job and already being benevolent, please, try as much as possible to ensure that your benevolence is not questionable due to the attitude of your bot concerned with this section.

Coming back to multiply btc section.... the attitude of your bot is questionable. Just as i said berore, you are doing a great job giving out free coins where everyone relies on luck. On multiply btc, i hear some persons say that they got drained totally withing 10minutes or thereabout on a deposite above 10,000,000 while their bet is set at 0.00000001 on auto. Even a deposite of 1000000 cannot on a fair play squander your cash in 20 minutes using same multiply setting. And if this is true, of which i am not doubting, then your bot is cheaping on users to the favour of admin. Beside, admins manipulates and sets the bot's attitude. Hence, admin are cheating on users indirectly... that is so so wrong. Please let fairness be fairness. Its only that users cannot see the other end of the bot else everyone would get to know about the foul play.

Over to my experiences.... though i dont multiply on auto but i multiply on manual.. hence, reason for my doubt of that word "provably fair". That wors is only a deception even though we are getting free bitcoins. No one would ever succeed to convince me that i would ever bet on HI and then roll over 15 times only to be getting LO LO LO LO outcome..... on a bot that rolls fairly? thats never true except if something is involved and yes something is involved..... YOUR BOT IS CHEATING. Now would you imagine that while i keep getting a series of LO outcome when i bet HI for fifteen consecutive times, it would seem the system is just set to give you LO outcomes only to discover that you the moment you just decide to bet LO maybe the sixteenth time, the bot gives you a HI outcome and you still keep losing... what explanation would best suit such a fair outcome.

Besides, what always happen is that the moment you change your bet mayb from HI to LO or LO to HI, while you keep betting on a either HI or LO.... once you change, the roller would roll for over three seconds and above whereas while you were betting and losing, it takes just a second to roll. Is this attitude not also questionable? Why does the roller do that.... does it mean as you change your bet the bot knows you would win and then it starts recalculating the digits so it gives you the opposite of your bet and you keep losing? Once again, there is no better word to describe this acts but cheating.

Finally, i discovered that whenever i bet with a large amount, i may win the first time or lose and probably win same amount the second time expecially when i play alternatively. Remember i said i only play manual. But as you keep trying your luck you begin to lose and lose and lose and lose even when u play alternatively BUT immediately you change your amount to a very very very small amount, you win. What is really happening.... does it mean freebitco and its bots do not support huge amount betting? I just cant believe this because i have never experienced this on another faucet i have played multiply. On freebitco, you keep losing till you account is empty or significantly reduced except if some supernatural powers are on your side. No one needs a supernatural power over what is said to be fair. I keep doubting that word provably fair cause your bot cannot only keep producing losing server seeds when the amount to win or lose is fat. Once again this is a cheat.

Please check the server seeds your bot produces and if the behaviour of your bot has been tampered with, then correct it please. Let it be fair indeed as promised. No one has to go verify rolls.... that is just childs play because it will still show the same result since the server seed is hidden and decided by freebitco via its bots in accordance to its maipulated behaviour. So we dont actually need to verify anything. We just need fairness and your bot stops cheating when it has to do with large amounts.

Once again, i love you freebitco. Thanks for reading.