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Quote from: Thirdspace on September 16, 2018, 10:32:27 AM

is there a way to cancel a pending slow withdrawal?
just right after I made a withdraw, I lost my left over balance Lips sealed

this is the second time this month
the first time was a bit better, I can hold for 2-3 days before I busted Tongue

maybe just coincidence... Roll Eyes

Yes, just don't click the link in the confirmation email and it will automatically cancel after one hour.

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is there a way to cancel a pending slow withdrawal?
just right after I made a withdraw, I lost my left over balance Lips sealed

this is the second time this month
the first time was a bit better, I can hold for 2-3 days before I busted Tongue

maybe just coincidence... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Gary.Wilson_Jr. on September 16, 2018, 07:13:13 AM

Yes, I know that and thank you very much
but in the end they will stop playing because they lose
or if they win they will stop also to defend their victory, because if they continue to play in the end they will lose also by the house edge because gambling is about probability as you explained before

so honestly I prefer new referrals continuously, because as far as my experience new referrals make a much larger contribution and slowly decline until they finally stop.

Not all of them. Some gamble regularly for years on end.

Quote from: Gary.Wilson_Jr. on September 16, 2018, 07:13:13 AM

what do you mean by "having a second person"?

Me

I taking a much more active role so that wetsuit has more time for strategy and development.

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Quote from: TheQuin on September 16, 2018, 04:24:46 AM

Quote from: Gary.Wilson_Jr. on September 16, 2018, 04:18:46 AM

Yes
Maybe I'm not a big referral whales that have brought in huge income but I am also a referrer
What I feel is that there are no other sites that give a huge referrer income like this

But unfortunately botnets have ruined everything
I hope freebitco.in finds new innovations to prevent botnets more effectively without reducing referrer income

We actually increased referral commission rates from 0.25% to 0.40% of wagered amount recently. We certainly have no plans to reduce it and I think that if we did it would be unfair to those that have already invested in advertising us.

We're constantly working on better ways to combat the cheats and simply having a second person dealing with it is already yielding some good results.

Yes, I know that and thank you very much
but in the end they will stop playing because they lose
or if they win they will stop also to defend their victory, because if they continue to play in the end they will lose also by the house edge because gambling is about probability as you explained before

so honestly I prefer new referrals continuously, because as far as my experience new referrals make a much larger contribution and slowly decline until they finally stop.

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what do you mean by "having a second person"?

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Quote from: jackg on September 16, 2018, 06:58:14 AM

Onto the topic, I think yes it would be good to see the house edge a bit lower and people would be more interested, if you can get everything with just a 3% edge then that's even better than the 5%.

That's 40% reduction in income. That would mean a 40% reduction in spending. That would mean we were just like all the other sites.

Quote from: jackg on September 16, 2018, 06:58:14 AM

But when your chef quits you have to change the way you run things to keep up your reputation Grin

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I apologise for touching some sort of soft spot here but clearly, reducing the house edge to 3% would make it a greater site to play on and also mean you'd giveaway more lottery tickets, meaning, if people buy them, you go in profit if they try and get the same percentage each round or something.

He hasn't quit, he's taken on extra help as his business model works so well it is now too much work for him alone.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 16, 2018, 03:30:07 AM

Quote from: jackg on September 15, 2018, 03:02:00 PM

Quote from: Kprawn on September 15, 2018, 02:47:00 PM

I second that Wink

I think Wetsuit fine tuned this operation to the tee and any change in the house edge will unbalance the whole thing. Let's rather accept that a higher house edge is necessary to cross fund other features on the site and be done with it. We do not want a lower house edge with less features, right? Freebitco.in is a streamlined engine and too many tinkering will cause damage to the well oiled gears of the operation. Tongue

Can we not start a new line mid sentence, it's causing me quite a headache.
But yeah in some ways it probably is quite streamlined, I think giving 0.4% of what is wagered is quite high but if it works then fine (I'd be up for the idea of reducing the referral bonus since thequin wants to attract noobs who probably won't find this site through others and are more likely to stumble across it in other places and on this forum)...

I disagree. Dropping the house edge will pull the customer base you should be targeting, not the faucet suckers that are sucking the place dry at the moment. Freebitco.in is not a faucet site anymore, so there is no reason why we should add higher referral bonuses to attract these non-gamblers.

I think gamblers are looking for sites with the lowest house edge and by dropping the house edge, we would be drawing in the target crowd that we should be targeting. Wink

Thank you.

Onto the topic, I think yes it would be good to see the house edge a bit lower and people would be more interested, if you can get everything with just a 3% edge then that's even better than the 5%.

Quote from: Betwrong on September 16, 2018, 05:01:39 AM

I agree. It's like reducing the prices of meals in a well established expensive restaurant at the expense of food quality. Nobody does that, although it may seem like lowering the prices can attract more customers.

It's extremely hard to find a good working business model. And once you've found it, you shouldn't make critical changes while it works perfectly.

But when your chef quits you have to change the way you run things to keep up your reputation Grin

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I apologise for touching some sort of soft spot here but clearly, reducing the house edge to 3% would make it a greater site to play on and also mean you'd giveaway more lottery tickets, meaning, if people buy them, you go in profit if they try and get the same percentage each round or something.

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Quote from: TheQuin on September 16, 2018, 03:43:44 AM

Quote from: Kakmakr on September 16, 2018, 03:30:07 AM

I disagree. Dropping the house edge will pull the customer base you should be targeting, not the faucet suckers that are sucking the place dry at the moment. Freebitco.in is not a faucet site anymore, so there is no reason why we should add higher referral bonuses to attract these non-gamblers.

I think gamblers are looking for sites with the lowest house edge and by dropping the house edge, we would be drawing in the target crowd that we should be targeting. Wink

I disagree with your disagreement. There a few big referral whales that have brought in a huge income to us over the years and they continue to advertise and pull in new customers.

I think our turnover numbers compared to the low house edge sites shows that there is a big market for running the site the way we do. Abandoning our successful business model and going to compete in an already overcrowded sector isn't something that's going to happen.

I agree. It's like reducing the prices of meals in a well established expensive restaurant at the expense of food quality. Nobody does that, although it may seem like lowering the prices can attract more customers.

It's extremely hard to find a good working business model. And once you've found it, you shouldn't make critical changes while it works perfectly.

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Quote from: Gary.Wilson_Jr. on September 16, 2018, 04:18:46 AM

Yes
Maybe I'm not a big referral whales that have brought in huge income but I am also a referrer
What I feel is that there are no other sites that give a huge referrer income like this

But unfortunately botnets have ruined everything
I hope freebitco.in finds new innovations to prevent botnets more effectively without reducing referrer income

We actually increased referral commission rates from 0.25% to 0.40% of wagered amount recently. We certainly have no plans to reduce it and I think that if we did it would be unfair to those that have already invested in advertising us.

We're constantly working on better ways to combat the cheats and simply having a second person dealing with it is already yielding some good results.

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Quote from: TheQuin on September 16, 2018, 03:43:44 AM

Quote from: Kakmakr on September 16, 2018, 03:30:07 AM

I disagree. Dropping the house edge will pull the customer base you should be targeting, not the faucet suckers that are sucking the place dry at the moment. Freebitco.in is not a faucet site anymore, so there is no reason why we should add higher referral bonuses to attract these non-gamblers.

I think gamblers are looking for sites with the lowest house edge and by dropping the house edge, we would be drawing in the target crowd that we should be targeting. Wink

I disagree with your disagreement. There a few big referral whales that have brought in a huge income to us over the years and they continue to advertise and pull in new customers.

I think our turnover numbers compared to the low house edge sites shows that there is a big market for running the site the way we do. Abandoning our successful business model and going to compete in an already overcrowded sector isn't something that's going to happen.

Yes
Maybe I'm not a big referral whales that have brought in huge income but I am also a referrer
What I feel is that there are no other sites that give a huge referrer income like this

But unfortunately botnets have ruined everything
I hope freebitco.in finds new innovations to prevent botnets more effectively without reducing referrer income

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 16, 2018, 03:30:07 AM

I disagree. Dropping the house edge will pull the customer base you should be targeting, not the faucet suckers that are sucking the place dry at the moment. Freebitco.in is not a faucet site anymore, so there is no reason why we should add higher referral bonuses to attract these non-gamblers.

I think gamblers are looking for sites with the lowest house edge and by dropping the house edge, we would be drawing in the target crowd that we should be targeting. Wink

I disagree with your disagreement. There a few big referral whales that have brought in a huge income to us over the years and they continue to advertise and pull in new customers.

I think our turnover numbers compared to the low house edge sites shows that there is a big market for running the site the way we do. Abandoning our successful business model and going to compete in an already overcrowded sector isn't something that's going to happen.

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Quote from: jackg on September 15, 2018, 03:02:00 PM

Quote from: Kprawn on September 15, 2018, 02:47:00 PM

I second that Wink

I think Wetsuit fine tuned this operation to the tee and any change in the house edge will unbalance the whole thing. Let's rather accept that a higher house edge is necessary to cross fund other features on the site and be done with it. We do not want a lower house edge with less features, right? Freebitco.in is a streamlined engine and too many tinkering will cause damage to the well oiled gears of the operation. Tongue

Can we not start a new line mid sentence, it's causing me quite a headache.
But yeah in some ways it probably is quite streamlined, I think giving 0.4% of what is wagered is quite high but if it works then fine (I'd be up for the idea of reducing the referral bonus since thequin wants to attract noobs who probably won't find this site through others and are more likely to stumble across it in other places and on this forum)...

I disagree. Dropping the house edge will pull the customer base you should be targeting, not the faucet suckers that are sucking the place dry at the moment. Freebitco.in is not a faucet site anymore, so there is no reason why we should add higher referral bonuses to attract these non-gamblers.

I think gamblers are looking for sites with the lowest house edge and by dropping the house edge, we would be drawing in the target crowd that we should be targeting. Wink

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Quote from: Kprawn on September 15, 2018, 02:47:00 PM

I second that Wink

I think Wetsuit fine tuned this operation to the tee and any change in the house edge will unbalance the whole thing. Let's rather accept that a higher house edge is necessary to cross fund other features on the site and be done with it. We do not want a lower house edge with less features, right? Freebitco.in is a streamlined engine and too many tinkering will cause damage to the well oiled gears of the operation. Tongue

Can we not start a new line mid sentence, it's causing me quite a headache.
But yeah in some ways it probably is quite streamlined, I think giving 0.4% of what is wagered is quite high but if it works then fine (I'd be up for the idea of reducing the referral bonus since thequin wants to attract noobs who probably won't find this site through others and are more likely to stumble across it in other places and on this forum)...

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I second that Wink

I think Wetsuit fine tuned this operation to the tee and any change in the house edge will unbalance the

whole thing. Let's rather accept that a higher house edge is necessary to cross fund other features on the site and be done

with it. We do not want a lower house edge with less features, right? Freebitco.in is a streamlined engine and too many

tinkering will cause damage to the well oiled gears of the operation. Tongue

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Quote from: TheQuin on September 15, 2018, 12:47:15 AM

Quote from: Thirdspace on September 14, 2018, 06:30:28 PM

agree! lower the house edge to 2-3% and remove all referral commissions
but keep reward point program running for the sole benefit of the user himself
I bet our favourite "thread's fan" Kiss

will start screaming a different tone,
he will start demanding wetsuit to put back the referral commission system Grin

You've got it right in that reducing the house edge would mean removing something else. We're happy we have the balance correct at the moment and will not be changing that.

I support this. The site is working perfectly and there are thousands and thousands of satisfied customers, and changing anything in this situation would be a mistake imo. It's the new appearing sites who have to try with different approaches changing them constantly until they come up with something which satisfy many users. Freebitco.in has done that in the past and ended up with a great working model which should rather be studied by others than criticized.

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Quote from: jackg on September 14, 2018, 12:24:54 PM

@TheQuin, you're going to end up with quite a lot of jobs then.

@Broken, the government doesn't have enough money to invest in this sort of thing and if he goes abroad to the BVI then they definitely won't have enoguh money to tend to it. Also since TheQuin doesn't have much programming knowledge (as he said) I think the site might be up for a bit of turbulance in the coming months...

It's good to be this busy. Grin

I've got the village idiot on ignore but I guess he's got his tin foil hat on again. We're not based in the US and in the US regulators own words their jurisdiction only extends to sites that 'operate mostly within the US'.

My role will not involve any programming as wetsuit wants me to take over all the day to day running tasks so he has more time to do development and strategy.

Quote from: Thirdspace on September 14, 2018, 06:30:28 PM

agree! lower the house edge to 2-3% and remove all referral commissions
but keep reward point program running for the sole benefit of the user himself
I bet our favourite "thread's fan" Kiss

will start screaming a different tone,
he will start demanding wetsuit to put back the referral commission system Grin

You've got it right in that reducing the house edge would mean removing something else. We're happy we have the balance correct at the moment and will not be changing that.

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Quote from: Samarkand on September 14, 2018, 04:20:32 AM

Quote from: TheQuin on September 14, 2018, 04:06:04 AM

...
Our business model uses a 5% house edge to fund a faucet, rewards program and lottery. When people ask about reducing the house edge I ask them which of those things we should remove to pay for it.
...

How about all of them? I´d rather play on a site with a 1 % fixed house edge without
any of the mentioned features than at a site with a 5 % house edge that pays for these features.

agree! lower the house edge to 2-3% and remove all referral commissions
but keep reward point program running for the sole benefit of the user himself
I bet our favourite "thread's fan" Kiss

will start screaming a different tone,
he will start demanding wetsuit to put back the referral commission system Grin

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Quote from: jackg on September 14, 2018, 12:24:54 PM

TheQuin doesn't have much programming knowledge

I'd expand that to a bit of a larger field Wink

hahaha I crack me up.

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@TheQuin, you're going to end up with quite a lot of jobs then.

@Broken, the government doesn't have enough money to invest in this sort of thing and if he goes abroad to the BVI then they definitely won't have enoguh money to tend to it. Also since TheQuin doesn't have much programming knowledge (as he said) I think the site might be up for a bit of turbulance in the coming months...

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Quote from: TheQuin on September 14, 2018, 06:00:01 AM

I have to meet him as I'm moving out there to take over running all day to day operations.

Sounds to me like he's planning to sell you the business before it tanks or perhaps he wants to wash his name from it, then after some substantial time has passed, he secretly hacks the site via a purposeful bug or backdoor and steals everything leaving you holding the bag. So yes, please do buy the joint so I can sit back and watch the hilarity ensue. Also, if he does meet you, you're not anonymous and it will ruin his own anonymity now that you've publicly stated you know who the owner is. You'll be the first person that the FBI grabs with a Civil Forfeiture event (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States, it's called asset confiscation or other terms in other countries such as UK/AU, etc, but the end result is the same, you lose everything without having been convicted of anything at all). I hope you spent lots of money on your electronic equipment so that it really stings when they come take it.

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Quote from: jackg on September 14, 2018, 05:47:32 AM

Exactly. The forum != our potential customer base.

Why have you been hired then and why does this thread exist?
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I'm not saying that the forum isn't still important to us. I was originally hired to give support here to our existing customers and those that come here from the links we give to the forum from our site. What I mean is that just about everyone that is involved in Bitcoin already has (or had) an account with us. New customers come from a wider audience.

Quote from: jackg on September 14, 2018, 05:47:32 AM

It'd look better with a 3% house edge with all the extras in comparison to a 5% house edge.
For you it'll be fun (although they do say not to meet your heroes)...

What I do know from the 6 months that I've been working for him is that if profitability increases he'll ask me how to increase the rewards without encouraging the bots, not how to reduce the income that funds those rewards. That to me is the whole business model and what brings new customers in from that wider audience that doesn't obsess about house edge in the way people here do.

I have to meet him as I'm moving out there to take over running all day to day operations.

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