Topic: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest - page 1224. (Read 559515 times)

Only just thought that? That's normal, but there isn't.

There's enough information open source to allow wetsuit to do everything himself. Although, I'm not sure if anyone knows if wetsuit is an account managed by only one person or if there are other employees (I assume there's someone other than thequin on email support for example).

A single and guy a few helpers..... and we're all quite good at maths.

Well, practically it is only their own money risked for the first year or two... Then they are using Freebitco.in money to do this. The reward is not only the faucet, but also the reward points and interest after they paid for the bots and also lottery winnings etc. If a few of these bots hits a lottery prize or the higher prizes in the faucet, then this makes this even more profitable.

Most of these guys are simply script kiddies messing around, but there are surely bigger players that are doing this on a much bigger scale.  

So someone is going to risk losing $100,000 if we can prove that they are multi-accounting? These guys wouldn't risk losing $0.01 of their own money.

The bottom line is $100 is the level that makes it not worth doing for the return you would get from the faucet.

Well, it sound silly with 10 bots, but if he sneaks 1000 past your detection system and he gets interest on all his $100 deposits, then the risk decrease over time. At the current Bitcoin price, this guy can get +/- $40 interest for every $100 deposited for a year. So while the 1000 bots are running undetected, they pay interest back to the bot owner to reduce the risk.

So, with $100 000 deposited into 1000 different accounts, he would get +/- $11 interest per day from all those accounts. <4% interest> So after day 10, his first account is risk free, because he made back his $100 and day 20 for another and 30 for another........ See what I am saying?

He might even do this risk free, if he just deposited the $100 000 worth of Bitcoin into one botfree account and channel that interest to his Botfund to fund a new bot account every 10 days.   

I am missing what you trying to say. Are you suggesting a bot operator would start off with by trusting us with $1000 to run 10 bots?

We wouldn't even notice that we're too busy dealing with the guys that run tens of thousands up into the hundreds of thousands.

I think you missed what I was trying to say.  .... If the bot owner transfers $100 to each of his 10 bots and run them 24/7, then he would get Freerolls every hour with 10 bots without being bothered by by these Captchas. So the Capthas cannot stop these bots from doing this. A clever bot will not do this 24/7, because your detection system will detect that, so they only run it say 10 times a day.

If this is successful and this guy can do this with say, 1000 bots and he builds a referral system, then this can become quite profitable over time. 

I've said that repeatedly. Just Google 'captcha solver' and you'll see what is available on the retail market. Some of the botnets also have the own solutions. A few months back when we introduced half base rewards for accounts that almost never do anything but claim the faucet one of the big retail captcha solve services halved their prices in response.


You would also need 10 IP addresses and that'll probably cost more than you are going to get out of the faucet and you'd also risk getting caught for multi-accounting. Botnets have access to millions of IP addresses so the cost per address is trivial.

So you are saying it is still possible for them to use bot in order to abuse the faucet? Lets say I have 10 account, I should deposit $1,000 but I never use my deposit right? So it is like long term investment plus we can get daily interest from your site as well. I think it is pretty worth for the faucet abuser to it but they use 100k bot, I do not think it is still worth or not

He's criticising it because he's too thick to understand why a casino would incentivise its customers to deposit. He just keeps repeating the same verbal diarrhoea no matter how many times his stupidity is pointed out to him. He obviously is also completely ignorant as to what a pyramid scheme is. It's not worth the effort of explaining it to him again because he doesn't have the basic cognitive functions required to comprehend the answers given to him. Casinos obviously need to have large sums available to payout to big winners. Over time it all evens out as others will lose but a high roller can make a tempory impact. Comparing that to a pyramid scheme really shows a level of ignorance that is outstanding. It makes me wonder how someone could be so lacking in self-awareness to continually make such a dick of themselves in public by talking about subjects they have no knowledge of without feeling any embarrassment.

You're right about the risks involved in depositing at any Bitcoin site. Reputations are built up over time and we've been going nearly 5 years now so people will judge us on our actions over that time.



For sites that carry advertising that is another reason for Google to provide reCAPTCHA for free as well as the data harvesting.
For us, it imposes a cost on the botnets. They either pay catcha solve services currently charging around $1 per 1000 solves or run their own solvers. That's a very resource intensive activity so a similar cost is involved. That cost is really the limiting factor in how much we can give per roll to free players.
We can give far higher rewards to players that deposit and play for obvious reasons.

I think you are criticising a valid business model as if it were somehow a negative.   Theres some business risk by the company to operate but they have been around a while and I see no reason to assume they are negative in serving customers.   It doesnt resemble a pyramid scheme.   Depositing your crypto anywhere has a risk attached to it but its a flat consideration to using every site isnt it

Interesting sites though

Its in googles own interest to make sure people viewing sites connected to them are humans so that advertising is valid.   Its heavily destructive to their business model if the page traffic is artificial and there is no consumer behind the screen viewing advertising google might supply.  Or even if not direct advertising, google still wants to know the entity they are tracking is a human not a bot so thats a big incentive to them to discourage that kind of activity.   Obviously FreeBitco doesnt want bots harvesting easy money either.   Its only twitter or twitch I see people actively chasing and paying for bot usage to create an illusion of greater influence then they actually have

You're correct in assuming that it does nothing to stop bots.  Because it doesnt do anything at all.  All it does is coax you into sending YOUR btc to THEIR wallet.  Just like google is into things for data,  freebitco is in it for YOUR btc and nothing else.  As long as the account holds the BTC,  they could careless what you do with it on the site because as long as it's there,  it's as good as theirs for any of their purposes.  All the talk about it stopping bots is just utter non-sense.

They like to preface it with "It's to stop bots",  but thats just a total lie.  A bot doesnt give two shits whether it has to deal with captcha or not.  The bot owner simply deposits,  and then runs free rolls.  It's that simple.  Thus it does it's job of coaxing bots AND normal users into depositing BTC.  They also have another gimmick to attempt to get you to deposit as well,  the "interest" that a balance gains.  That's utter horseshit also because it's CLEAR and obvious goal is to coax people into sending their BTC to freebitco's wallet and keeping it there for as long as possible (there is a reason for this,  I'll explain it in a sec).

The ONLY way to stop bots is to remove what he bots are after.  The free rolls.  Simple.  Thats it.  Remove that option and the bots suddenly disappear.  But then again so does all the other people looking to freeload.  What site wouldnt want to get rid of freeloaders?  I sure would.  It's like getting rid of everyone taking welfare,  it would benefit everyone.  Without that,  the house edge could be lowered,  referral accounts would make more,  and things would be grand.............. for everyone except for freebitco.  Lol.

BTW,  there is a reason they are SOOOOOOOOOOOO obsessed with getting people to deposit and keep the deposit there.  Why?  Because the site is just one gigantic pyramid scam just like Bitconnect was.  At some point the influx of BTC is GOING to stop and it's at that point that the site will shut down and along with it anyone who has deposited and is holding BTC on the site just simply loses everything.  There wont be any chance of getting refunds because no one knows who these clowns are,  they can just close up shop and thats it.  No repercussions at all for stealing everything and running.

There are countless examples of pyramid scams in the crypto community.  All of the "Proof of FILLinTheBlank" ETH contracts (or games as they like to portray themselves),  Bitconnect and all "lending platforms" were obvious scams,  countless gambling sites that have come and gone with sudden exits were all scams,  the list goes on and on.  It's only a matter of time before this site becomes another pyramid scam statistic.

There are multiple resources online to help you avoid scams like Freebitco.  Here are a couple which,  if used,  would warn you to stay away from freebitco:

https://masterthecrypto.com/identifying-scam-coins/
https://www.gamblingsites.com/online-casino/blacklist/

Freebitco meets all or most of the "scam" criteria of the above 2 scam warning sites.  And just because the coins URL is geared towards coins doesnt invalidate it's common sense checks and could be applied to more than just a coin.

Just simple maths. It takes $100 per account to remove captcha so a guy running 100,000 unit botnet would need to deposit $10,000,000 to do it.

I reality they would never risk a single cent.

Captcha doesn't stop bots but it imposes an extra cost to run them.

How does keeping a high amount in your account to remove reCAPTCHA, stop bots from operating? Can the accounts that use bots, not do
the same to avoid it or does that increase their risk to lose that amount, if they are flagged? Do these accounts with the bots, re-create new accounts often?

Just thinking of ways to slow down the bots, because I doubt if reCAPTCHA would be capable to stop the high quality bots. 

That's true but a reCAPTCHA on a site login page tells them something that I don't think they could know otherwise. I'm only speculating about that but the point I'm trying to make is that Google makes reCAPTCHA available for free because of the data it harvests for them.

Anyway, we're going way off-topic here. Freebitco.in don't save any money by removing captcha or offering RP rolls as an alternative. Google love or hate can live in a thread on another board.

If you are logged in to your Google account they are pretty much tracking everywhere you go and everything you do online, reCAPTCHA or no reCAPTCHA.

Recaptcha has and always will be free.  Anyone who has said otherwise is just full of shit.  I know of no service that has ever charged for captcha either.

That figure just seems wrong even if there ever was or will be paid captcha services. We have tens of millions of rolls a day and although I don't know what percentage of those have a captcha those figures are going to add up to an astronomical amount.

Google is in it for the data. If you're logged into your Google account they track where you are doing reCAPTCHAs and know more about what sites you visit and have accounts at.

Is it!? Theymos said he paid $0.10 for captchas (maybe that was with the old service though). I always thought the free captcha was just a sales technique to start with although it is bad enough that they probably kept it free.

If you don't have any captcha then that means you have met the requirements for it to be removed. That can be either through wagering, keeping a high balance or a combination of the two.


The requirement not to unlock all Reward Point redemptions is much lower than the requirement to remove captcha.



At the time of writing the base reward is 27 sats. The Free Bonus details are displayed in the box above payout list. You start out at the base level and then when you wager the % towards next bonus increases when you do a free roll it decreases. When it gets to 100% a bonus is added, equal to the base reward, to all rewards. Then you can repeat this by getting to 100% again up to 19 times. That makes the maximum base reward 27*20=540 right now.
(There is also the Free BTC Bonus that can be gained by redeeming Reward Points that works independently.)