is there any official announcement for these recent bitcoin forks? I checked the previous 2 pages and I didn't see anyone talking about them.
these days it seems like there are going to be a lot of forks. at least 5 forks are scheduled for December starting with 15th of Dec! and it would be great if we could get these coins for the balance that we keep on freebitco.in otherwise we would have to keep withdrawing before the snapshot is taken and deposit back.
and if I am not mistaken at least 1 snapshot was taken after bitcoin gold one. it was called "bitcoin Liza". all I know is that Yobit credited their users' accounts with the tokens which they are trading.
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December 06, 2017, 03:16:03 AM
December 04, 2017, 10:53:05 AM
in an IT classes, a while back, (java or similar language) we played with a RAND(), and I remember learning that no RAND() is truly random
It is true that creating random numbers on computers has historically not been truly random. Generally, it is done from the system clock using the last x number of digits down to the millisecond. So if your program repeats at certain intervals it can make some numbers more likely to come out than others. By using encryption hashing we now have an easy to use method of creating truly random numbers.
and that it is possible for a random sequence to eventually repeat itself
Of course, random events can be repeated. It is just a question of what the probability of that event occurring is. Probably one of the most important things to realise when indulging in gambling on random events is that even the most unlikely event will happen eventually given a large enough sample size.
December 04, 2017, 10:33:23 AM
I see I got some interesting reading to do. Thanks for pointing that link out. But isn’t provably fair supposed to use an algorithm that “balances nature”?
No. Nature is in no way involved. In short, it uses encryption to hash 2 strings (seeds) into hexadecimal numbers. One on the server and one on the client. By telling us the hash of the server seed in advance and allowing to change our client seed we can prove that the number was truly random when the 2 numbers are combined.
The reason I thought that it needs to balance in the end, was because I remember in an IT classes, a while back, (java or similar language) we played with a RAND(), and I remember learning that no RAND() is truly random and that it is possible for a random sequence to eventually repeat itself (wish I
paid more attention in class, but I simply never cared for randomness or gambling until encountering this website). Does this mean anything to anymore?
December 04, 2017, 09:45:08 AM
I see I got some interesting reading to do. Thanks for pointing that link out. But isn’t provably fair supposed to use an algorithm that “balances nature”?
No. Nature is in no way involved. In short, it uses encryption to hash 2 strings (seeds) into hexadecimal numbers. One on the server and one on the client. By telling us the hash of the server seed in advance and allowing to change our client seed we can prove that the number was truly random when the 2 numbers are combined.
December 04, 2017, 09:35:40 AM
Lol where do you see any math in the above quotes? I can probably School u in math any day. I just haven’t done any probability calculations in this thread (yet)
Mathematics isn't what you are missing, it is the very definition of words. The rolls come from an RNG (Random number Generator). Random implies the absence of patterns. You may think you see them but that is a quite normal behaviour in a human to find order where it doesn't exist. Go back up a bit to one of my previous posts and follow the link to Gambler's Fallacy and you can find out where you are going wrong.
EDIT: I guess I’ll come back to the provably fair thing and the fallacy after finals... I’ll stop trolling
December 04, 2017, 09:27:26 AM
Lol where do you see any math in the above quotes? I can probably School u in math any day. I just haven’t done any probability calculations in this thread (yet)
Mathematics isn't what you are missing, it is the very definition of words. The rolls come from an RNG (Random number Generator). Random implies the absence of patterns. You may think you see them but that is a quite normal behaviour in a human to find order where it doesn't exist. Go back up a bit to one of my previous posts and follow the link to Gambler's Fallacy and you can find out where you are going wrong.
December 04, 2017, 09:21:26 AM
I'm still experimenting with my adapted Martingale.
All experiments with martingale ended the same way. Why do you think you are smarter than everyone else and ignoring facts?One trick I recently started using to avoid dangerously long streaks is watching the rolled numbers and try to predict a pattern.
You can watch rolled numbers 20 years and you won't find any pattern, you know why? Because there isn't any. Usually it;s not easy, but a few times, you could detect a recognizable pattern.
No, you can't!Example: if you roll the following sequence of numbers:
13503
24679
39573
45012
You can bet almost safely that the next roll would be higher than 50000
Or lower than 5000. 13503
24679
39573
45012
You can bet almost safely that the next roll would be higher than 50000
Another example of a recognizable pattern is something like:
49321
51893
46061
54021
32023
You can bet almost safely that the next would be above 6000
Or under 6000.49321
51893
46061
54021
32023
You can bet almost safely that the next would be above 6000
Then again, the problem with these patterns is that you never know when they change and switch to another pattern or just another totally irrelevant random number 
Which means it is random. After 20 rolled high numbers chance to roll high number IS 50%(little less because HE), also chance to roll low number is the same - nearly 50%.
There is no pattern, there is no such thing as higher chance on next roll because previous roll was...
Your math sucks
Lol where do you see any math in the above quotes? I can probably School u in math any day. I just haven’t done any probability calculations in this thread (yet)
I was merely referring to the patterns as a concept. I don’t think each rolled number is independent. I think (or hope) in this particular provably fair game that all the rolls played should average to 50000. I haven’t read the randomization algorithm they are using so I guess I’m just speculating
December 04, 2017, 09:11:41 AM
I'm still experimenting with my adapted Martingale.
All experiments with martingale ended the same way. Why do you think you are smarter than everyone else and ignoring facts?One trick I recently started using to avoid dangerously long streaks is watching the rolled numbers and try to predict a pattern.
You can watch rolled numbers 20 years and you won't find any pattern, you know why? Because there isn't any. Usually it;s not easy, but a few times, you could detect a recognizable pattern.
No, you can't!Example: if you roll the following sequence of numbers:
13503
24679
39573
45012
You can bet almost safely that the next roll would be higher than 50000
Or lower than 5000. 13503
24679
39573
45012
You can bet almost safely that the next roll would be higher than 50000
Another example of a recognizable pattern is something like:
49321
51893
46061
54021
32023
You can bet almost safely that the next would be above 6000
Or under 6000.49321
51893
46061
54021
32023
You can bet almost safely that the next would be above 6000
Then again, the problem with these patterns is that you never know when they change and switch to another pattern or just another totally irrelevant random number
Which means it is random. After 20 rolled high numbers chance to roll high number IS 50%(little less because HE), also chance to roll low number is the same - nearly 50%.
There is no pattern, there is no such thing as higher chance on next roll because previous roll was...
Your math sucks
December 04, 2017, 09:10:55 AM
This alone is false. My balance is way less than 2x total free rolls:
All I can say is it works precisely for me. I have made withdrawals and deposits and the 2x multiple is precisely when captcha disappears.
OMG! Thanks for the quote, but could wetsuit have been anymore cryptic? 
I think you will find that was deliberate. Wetsuit also said he wanted to keep the precise formula secret so the bot abusers can't get around it so easily. If you succeed in your mission to work it out I hope you keep it yourself rather than helping them.
December 04, 2017, 08:51:36 AM
I found some claim that you need to deposit an amount greater than or equal to the free rolls amount you have won so far. Other say that you don't actually need to deposit, as long as your balance is greater than or equal to double the free rolls amount you have accumulated. (you can see this info in Stats -> Personal Stats in your account.)
Is anyone aware of any official statement about this, or is everyone just speculating?
Is anyone aware of any official statement about this, or is everyone just speculating?
Yes, I asked about it when it changed a while back and Wetsuit the site owner replied telling us of the 2x free rolls total requirement. There is a certain amount of multiply BTC and/or Lottery tickets purchased needed as well, I'm not sure what exactly the requirement is but I haven't done either for quite a long time and I don't get a captcha.
The amount isn't the same for everyone. If your balance is equal to or greater than 2x of your total free play winnings, you do not need to solve a captcha.
Ahh, that's why it came back, you changed it from playing hi/lo game. Looks like I'm stuck with capture then as I've been playing for so long.
Also, wagering in the HI-LO game helps. I had to increase the balance requirements to 2x from 1x previously because botters had figured it out and could reach no-captcha without depositing. Now they will need to deposit to roll without captcha so it has reduced their activity.
OMG! Thanks for the quote, but could wetsuit have been anymore cryptic?
The amount isn't the same for everyone. If your balance is equal to or greater than 2x of your total free play winnings, you do not need to solve a captcha.
This alone is false. My balance is way less than 2x total free rolls:
Also, wagering in the HI-LO game helps.
This complicates things substantially. Now we have to somehow incorporate the number Multiply BTC rolls played M in a formula related to B >= 2FCurrently my M = 28,021 lol any ideas what this value should or could be in relation to B >= 2F to keep avoiding captchas ?
Can everyone share their following data to help me find a new formula, plz:
Code:
Do you have Captcha: Y/N
Multiply BTC rolls played M =
Total deposits D =
Free Roll Winnings F =
Referral Commissions earned C =
Thanks.
December 04, 2017, 08:18:22 AM
LOTTERY ROUND 131
This round, the winner with the lowest number of tickets is #3 with 126 tickets.
#1 won with 777,690 tickets.
The week that I deposited 1.3 BTC and lost all, I had ended up with 860,000+ tickets and didn't win jack This round, the winner with the lowest number of tickets is #3 with 126 tickets.
#1 won with 777,690 tickets.
It said I had 28+% chance of winning, on my lottery page, but guess what? Didn't win any of the 10 prizes. How unlucky can someone be???
Never waste any BTC or reward points on lottery tickets. Its so unpredictable, and chance of winning is ... idk... weird
I was so disappointed that I lost almost $13K, that I wanted to believe that I was gonna win some back with the lottery, especially seince I had more than 28% of all the lottery tickets in the world! I didn't...
BTW, congratulations to me!!! I finally just became a Full Member
In a lottery, only 10 people are going to win and I think site need to remove that % of winning feature because it is not applicable. Even though if you purchase 90% of tickets but not sure whether you can win a lottery. It does not depend on how many tickets you got but it depends on your luck in the lottery.
You shouldn't have spent so much money but it is learning for you and should avoid these big mistakes in future.
I don’t think the site has to remove that at all, as it is applicable indeed.
Luck depends also on how many tickets. I you have 90% of the tickets you need way less luck to win the lottery than if you have just 0.0001% of them.
Anyway, buying so many lottery tickets is pretty crazy. Site owner must be very happy with customers like him.
(Post-edit: I’ve realized that he probably didn’t buy the tickets, but got them due to gambling so much, which is pretty crazy anyway)
Exactly that. I had gambled so much that I ended up with over 28% of the lottery tickets lol
Another interesting fact was that right after losing all, the free roll amounts went up also for about 3 days before they’d started going down again (due toBTC price rise). So you’re welcome
December 04, 2017, 06:12:36 AM
Here we can see again a typical mistake repeated in so many threads on the gambling section. You are not betting on a 5-bet sequence to have at least one result higher than 5000. 4 results have already appeared, so next bet having an outcome higher than 5000 is still 50%.
It's not just here, Gambler's Fallacy is as old as gambling itself and I'm pretty sure no amount of logic will ever completely eradicate it.
How can it does not work? As long as you have enough bankroll to cover I think this will be okay.
The problem is that the maximum possible losing streak is infinity so you would need an infinite bankroll. Also, you will run into the house maximum bet limit before you get there.
December 04, 2017, 06:09:44 AM
Martingale strategy does not work 100% well on dice games, because there is the house edge advantage on casinos side, the higher number of times you martingale when you lost in the rolls, house edge will empty your bankroll even faster, so it is better to gamble just for the sake of entertainment.
How can it does not work? As long as you have enough bankroll to cover I think this will be okay. Many of us said that it does not work just because they do not have enough bankroll to cover their loss. They want to eaen big but with small bet, how is that be possible? You even need to calculate how much loss that you might suffer from your bankroll and do not play too long as I can suggest
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December 04, 2017, 06:05:19 AM
I don't understand how you can have 5-digit numbers where the game only draws from 0 to 10000.
As said above, it's random, there's no "bet almost safely" possibilities in gambling.
As said above, it's random, there's no "bet almost safely" possibilities in gambling.
Lol! He just made a mistake but he could argue that even if he deleted last number, so, for the first example the sequence would be like this:
1350
2467
3957
4501
And he would then be pretty sure that next number would be above 5000.
Here we can see again a typical mistake repeated in so many threads on the gambling section. You are not betting on a 5-bet sequence to have at least one result higher than 5000. 4 results have already appeared, so next bet having an outcome higher than 5000 is still 50%.
December 04, 2017, 05:53:28 AM
I'm still experimenting with my adapted Martingale. One trick I recently started using to avoid dangerously long streaks is watching the rolled numbers and try to predict a pattern. Usually it;s not easy, but a few times, you could detect a recognizable pattern. Example: if you roll the following sequence of numbers:
13503
24679
39573
45012
You can bet almost safely that the next roll would be higher than 50000
Another example of a recognizable pattern is something like:
49321
51893
46061
54021
32023
You can bet almost safely that the next would be above 6000
Then again, the problem with these patterns is that you never know when they change and switch to another pattern or just another totally irrelevant random number
BTW, a nice technique not to lose your cool is stick to a certain daily percentage increase in balance. I carefully increase my balance about by 10% every day. It takes me about 1-2 hours every day, but I just calculated that in if I keep compounding it, I will break even (make up my lost BTC) between 80 and 81 days from today
I don't understand how you can have 5-digit numbers where the game only draws from 0 to 10000.
As said above, it's random, there's no "bet almost safely" possibilities in gambling.
legendary
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December 04, 2017, 05:46:24 AM
I'm still experimenting with my adapted Martingale. One trick I recently started using to avoid dangerously long streaks is watching the rolled numbers and try to predict a pattern. Usually it;s not easy, but a few times, you could detect a recognizable pattern. Example: if you roll the following sequence of numbers:
13503
24679
39573
45012
You can bet almost safely that the next roll would be higher than 50000
Another example of a recognizable pattern is something like:
49321
51893
46061
54021
32023
You can bet almost safely that the next would be above 6000
13503
24679
39573
45012
You can bet almost safely that the next roll would be higher than 50000
Another example of a recognizable pattern is something like:
49321
51893
46061
54021
32023
You can bet almost safely that the next would be above 6000
No, you can’t, because next bet is an individual mathematical event, independent from the former ones.
Again, don’t listen to this guy. I don’t doubt that he is having good faith in showing what he is doing but he has no idea about probability in gambling and the fact that he deposited 1.3 BTC and lost it all clearly shows it.
December 04, 2017, 04:57:56 AM
I found some claim that you need to deposit an amount greater than or equal to the free rolls amount you have won so far. Other say that you don't actually need to deposit, as long as your balance is greater than or equal to double the free rolls amount you have accumulated. (you can see this info in Stats -> Personal Stats in your account.)
Is anyone aware of any official statement about this, or is everyone just speculating?
Is anyone aware of any official statement about this, or is everyone just speculating?
Yes, I asked about it when it changed a while back and Wetsuit the site owner replied telling us of the 2x free rolls total requirement. There is a certain amount of multiply BTC and/or Lottery tickets purchased needed as well, I'm not sure what exactly the requirement is but I haven't done either for quite a long time and I don't get a captcha.
The amount isn't the same for everyone. If your balance is equal to or greater than 2x of your total free play winnings, you do not need to solve a captcha.
Ahh, that's why it came back, you changed it from playing hi/lo game. Looks like I'm stuck with capture then as I've been playing for so long.
Also, wagering in the HI-LO game helps. I had to increase the balance requirements to 2x from 1x previously because botters had figured it out and could reach no-captcha without depositing. Now they will need to deposit to roll without captcha so it has reduced their activity.
December 04, 2017, 12:39:40 AM
LOTTERY ROUND 131
This round, the winner with the lowest number of tickets is #3 with 126 tickets.
#1 won with 777,690 tickets.
The week that I deposited 1.3 BTC and lost all, I had ended up with 860,000+ tickets and didn't win jack This round, the winner with the lowest number of tickets is #3 with 126 tickets.
#1 won with 777,690 tickets.
It said I had 28+% chance of winning, on my lottery page, but guess what? Didn't win any of the 10 prizes. How unlucky can someone be???
Never waste any BTC or reward points on lottery tickets. Its so unpredictable, and chance of winning is ... idk... weird
I was so disappointed that I lost almost $13K, that I wanted to believe that I was gonna win some back with the lottery, especially seince I had more than 28% of all the lottery tickets in the world! I didn't...
BTW, congratulations to me!!! I finally just became a Full Member
Sorry for what you have just lost buddy, it is lottery where you may not win anything even if you have 90% winning chance. I think the lottery system is provably fair already, so you can verify it if you doubt about the results. You were just very unlucky to not win anything last week. Probably you should try this every week with lower amount. With 1.3btc you may divide it into several weeks instead of 1 week only.
legendary
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December 03, 2017, 10:14:04 PM
LOTTERY ROUND 131
This round, the winner with the lowest number of tickets is #3 with 126 tickets.
#1 won with 777,690 tickets.
The week that I deposited 1.3 BTC and lost all, I had ended up with 860,000+ tickets and didn't win jack This round, the winner with the lowest number of tickets is #3 with 126 tickets.
#1 won with 777,690 tickets.
It said I had 28+% chance of winning, on my lottery page, but guess what? Didn't win any of the 10 prizes. How unlucky can someone be???
Never waste any BTC or reward points on lottery tickets. Its so unpredictable, and chance of winning is ... idk... weird
I was so disappointed that I lost almost $13K, that I wanted to believe that I was gonna win some back with the lottery, especially seince I had more than 28% of all the lottery tickets in the world! I didn't...
BTW, congratulations to me!!! I finally just became a Full Member
In a lottery, only 10 people are going to win and I think site need to remove that % of winning feature because it is not applicable. Even though if you purchase 90% of tickets but not sure whether you can win a lottery. It does not depend on how many tickets you got but it depends on your luck in the lottery.
You shouldn't have spent so much money but it is learning for you and should avoid these big mistakes in future.
I don’t think the site has to remove that at all, as it is applicable indeed.
Luck depends also on how many tickets. I you have 90% of the tickets you need way less luck to win the lottery than if you have just 0.0001% of them.
Anyway, buying so many lottery tickets is pretty crazy. Site owner must be very happy with customers like him.
(Post-edit: I’ve realized that he probably didn’t buy the tickets, but got them due to gambling so much, which is pretty crazy anyway)
December 03, 2017, 08:44:27 PM
LOTTERY ROUND 131
This round, the winner with the lowest number of tickets is #3 with 126 tickets.
#1 won with 777,690 tickets.
The week that I deposited 1.3 BTC and lost all, I had ended up with 860,000+ tickets and didn't win jack This round, the winner with the lowest number of tickets is #3 with 126 tickets.
#1 won with 777,690 tickets.
It said I had 28+% chance of winning, on my lottery page, but guess what? Didn't win any of the 10 prizes. How unlucky can someone be???
Never waste any BTC or reward points on lottery tickets. Its so unpredictable, and chance of winning is ... idk... weird
I was so disappointed that I lost almost $13K, that I wanted to believe that I was gonna win some back with the lottery, especially seince I had more than 28% of all the lottery tickets in the world! I didn't...
BTW, congratulations to me!!! I finally just became a Full Member
In a lottery, only 10 people are going to win and I think site need to remove that % of winning feature because it is not applicable. Even though if you purchase 90% of tickets but not sure whether you can win a lottery. It does not depend on how many tickets you got but it depends on your luck in the lottery.
You shouldn't have spent so much money but it is learning for you and should avoid these big mistakes in future.
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