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legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1074
I think what happened here is, some users have figured out that buying massive amounts of tickets increase your odds to win big amounts. They

tried several times and succeeded a few times. They might have lost more times than what they have won. We do not see the times when these

users buy huge amounts of tickets and lost everything. There are also some users with HUGE referral networks... and if these users are active,

they get a lot of FREE tickets for every round. { Receive 1 ticket for every roll your referrals play }  Roll Eyes
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 255
IF those winners are REAL and not from the dev right? the dev could easily made few accounts and fake the number of lottery tickets, show the people that there are accounts that are spending BTC just to buy some and finally the dev will win all the lottery prize spots

With respect for you as a member of this forum and user of FreeBitco.in, this doesn't make sense.

You're accusing devs of this site of theft, right? That's totally unfair. But let's think about the logic in that. If a dev wanted to steal, why would they go through the public display of buying lottery tickets to falsely justify earning the lottery?
newbie
Activity: 21
Merit: 0
all this talk about the unfair lottery... Wetsuit is trying to make this lottery provably fair. The fact that he is trying to implement this makes it very plausible that the lottery until now was fair, but just unable to prove its fairness.

to show my support in the system i went ahead and bought a million tickets. Let's hope for my ~5% chance.
http://puu.sh/wtRjs/13b2e8582a.png

Also, as a sidenode, this catapulted my bonus to the max:
http://puu.sh/wtRpV/99cccfe0ac.png
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legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1000
Looking at the high number of registered users in the lottery, the chances to win twice or more in a lottery by the same person is actually very low, I know it is not impossible for that to happen, but I just don't feel convinced by the publish result, I am hoping to see a more transparent system on this lottery draw before I would spend my bitcoins into buying more lottery tickets.

Sure, smart people will wait till wetsuit implement a fair system for the lottery. Otherwise people will just burn their money to buy tickets for a lottery where they cant verify the draw. Once wetsuit has a better system, more people will join in the lottery.

It was a known issue for quite long time that this lottery system is rigged (we can say until wetsuit prove that it is wrong) but still every week people are buying the lottery and making wetsuit rich. If wetsuit thinks that he got a difficult to implement fair system then with immediate effect should stop this lottery system until it is fixed.

If there are no technical difficulties, I'll have the provably fair system for the lottery implemented by round 110.

wetsuit please stop this lottery system after this round if you can't make your system fair. I expect this to happen if you're an honest person. I will happily buy more tickets if you come up with a fair system. If not, you're cheating every week all your members just by giving technical difficulty reason.
legendary
Activity: 3066
Merit: 1312
Looking at the high number of registered users in the lottery, the chances to win twice or more in a lottery by the same person is actually very low, I know it is not impossible for that to happen, but I just don't feel convinced by the publish result, I am hoping to see a more transparent system on this lottery draw before I would spend my bitcoins into buying more lottery tickets.

Sure, smart people will wait till wetsuit implement a fair system for the lottery. Otherwise people will just burn their money to buy tickets for a lottery where they cant verify the draw. Once wetsuit has a better system, more people will join in the lottery.
staff
Activity: 3248
Merit: 576
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Looking at the high number of registered users in the lottery, the chances to win twice or more in a lottery by the same person is actually very low, I know it is not impossible for that to happen, but I just don't feel convinced by the publish result, I am hoping to see a more transparent system on this lottery draw before I would spend my bitcoins into buying more lottery tickets.
full member
Activity: 414
Merit: 101
If there are no technical difficulties, I'll have the provably fair system for the lottery implemented by round 110.

This is new statistic from 107 to 94 lottery round

Now we have 1 user got 4 times, 3 users got 3 times and 9 users got 2 times .

I agree it is probably fair ( how sarcastic)  Roll Eyes



But that 1 user who got 4 times spent 0.17 BTC on the lottery tickets.

And another one, who got 3 times, the last in the list, spent 0.3 BTC on the lottery tickets.

So, I mean, this doesn't look so unreal that some of their tickets were among the winning ones.

It is very unreal!
Why: because user from 12 rounds got something in 4 rounds. And currently there is 5,348,264 registered users. Dont forget that fact. What is chance that one user  got some prize in 4 rounds of lottery ( in the last 12 rounds of lottery) between other 5348264 users?Huh
 
sr. member
Activity: 980
Merit: 261
If there are no technical difficulties, I'll have the provably fair system for the lottery implemented by round 110.

This is new statistic from 107 to 94 lottery round

Now we have 1 user got 4 times, 3 users got 3 times and 9 users got 2 times .

I agree it is probably fair ( how sarcastic)  Roll Eyes



But that 1 user who got 4 times spent 0.17 BTC on the lottery tickets.

And another one, who got 3 times, the last in the list, spent 0.3 BTC on the lottery tickets.

So, I mean, this doesn't look so unreal that some of their tickets were among the winning ones.

IF those winners are REAL and not from the dev right? the dev could easily made few accounts and fake the number of lottery tickets, show the people that there are accounts that are spending BTC just to buy some and finally the dev will win all the lottery prize spots
legendary
Activity: 3514
Merit: 2246
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If there are no technical difficulties, I'll have the provably fair system for the lottery implemented by round 110.

This is new statistic from 107 to 94 lottery round

Now we have 1 user got 4 times, 3 users got 3 times and 9 users got 2 times .

I agree it is probably fair ( how sarcastic)  Roll Eyes



But that 1 user who got 4 times spent 0.17 BTC on the lottery tickets.

And another one, who got 3 times, the last in the list, spent 0.3 BTC on the lottery tickets.

So, I mean, this doesn't look so unreal that some of their tickets were among the winning ones.
full member
Activity: 414
Merit: 101
If there are no technical difficulties, I'll have the provably fair system for the lottery implemented by round 110.

This is new statistic from 107 to 94 lottery round

Now we have 1 user got 4 times, 3 users got 3 times and 9 users got 2 times .

I agree it is probably fair ( how sarcastic)  Roll Eyes

full member
Activity: 414
Merit: 101
If there are no technical difficulties, I'll have the provably fair system for the lottery implemented by round 110.

So , all lottery rounds before 110 are /was unfair?
Who know maybe this time I got 1 BTC to shut my mouth Smiley
legendary
Activity: 981
Merit: 1026
If there are no technical difficulties, I'll have the provably fair system for the lottery implemented by round 110.
full member
Activity: 414
Merit: 101
Since lottery is under scope now: I made simple statistic using last 10 lottery rounds.
And I found very , very interesting data.
It say that current it have 5,348,264 registered users.
From that number in last ten rounds  7 users got twice lottery and two of them got three times
They must be very lucky guys in private life.
Can I get little of theirs luck?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue
I removed user data ID, but every one can make same and got same data




You should also calculate the profit. Quite a few of those users spent more on tickets than they won (or they got it free from the dice game).

I do calculate profit and do calculate number of bayed tickets. Statistically speaking if your faucet has 5,348,264 users it is impossible that two of them get lottery every third time..  I can , and I will extend  statistics to next 20 lottery round, but I am afraid that lottery is everything then even possible fair Sad
legendary
Activity: 981
Merit: 1026
Since lottery is under scope now: I made simple statistic using last 10 lottery rounds.
And I found very , very interesting data.
It say that current it have 5,348,264 registered users.
From that number in last ten rounds  7 users got twice lottery and two of them got three times
They must be very lucky guys in private life.
Can I get little of theirs luck?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue
I removed user data ID, but every one can make same and got same data




You should also calculate the profit. Quite a few of those users spent more on tickets than they won (or they got it free from the dice game).
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1023
Since lottery is under scope now: I made simple statistic using last 10 lottery rounds.
And I found very , very interesting data.
It say that current it have 5,348,264 registered users.
From that number in last ten rounds  7 users got twice lottery and two of them got three times
They must be very lucky guys in private life.
Can I get little of theirs luck?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue
I removed user data ID, but every one can make same and got same data




There are so many people claims that they never win a lottery even though they purchase many lotteries, But these few guys are so lucky to win repeatedly.

I never believed them for lottery winner picking so don't buy lotteries until he finds a way to make system can be verified by users. Every week if people buy so many tickets then they may not be serious in implementing a better system. Even though they announced publically to get an idea but until now nothing has changed.
full member
Activity: 414
Merit: 101
Since lottery is under scope now: I made simple statistic using last 10 lottery rounds.
And I found very , very interesting data.
It say that current it have 5,348,264 registered users.
From that number in last ten rounds  7 users got twice lottery and two of them got three times
They must be very lucky guys in private life.
Can I get little of theirs luck?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue
I removed user data ID, but every one can make same and got same data


sr. member
Activity: 700
Merit: 251
Anybody can post their idea to claim the 1 BTC reward. Food2 had pm'med me with this idea and I asked him to post here to claim ownership of the idea publicly in case somebody else also thinks of the same thing and I pick this method for doing the lottery.
I have an idea!
Grab a camera and do live rolling.
That will convince everyone that your lottery is fair, right?
BTW i don't understand how 1 player can win only one prize.
Its very good suggestion if he is going to implement because I also buy many thousands tickets but never have any prize from this lottery hope he will do something for this as we can understand this is a fair lottery and any one can win currently its nothing because no one have any proof about this
legendary
Activity: 981
Merit: 1026

The numbers differ for each user and is based on how much you have claimed from the faucet in the past vs how much you have played dice/lottery. So for someone who has only claimed a small amount from the faucet, reaching the next level will be much easier.

That is not true. For example if someone open new account right now: what he need to reach next level?

The bonus calculation only starts after your first free roll. Someone who has only claimed 100 satoshi will reach the next level much easier than someone who has claimed 10,000 satoshi but the 100 satoshi user will also drop levels much quicker when he makes higher claims.
full member
Activity: 414
Merit: 101

The numbers differ for each user and is based on how much you have claimed from the faucet in the past vs how much you have played dice/lottery. So for someone who has only claimed a small amount from the faucet, reaching the next level will be much easier.

That is not true. For example if someone open new account right now: what he need to reach next level?
legendary
Activity: 981
Merit: 1026
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i think you meant weekend.

Sorry about the delay with this, I have just gone through all the lottery drawing ideas and this is the best one I found mainly because I don't have to store 200 million+ ticket numbers for each round and the "window" system for picking winners is what I already use.

I have a few modifications to this idea though to make it easier to verify and implement. So, this is how the lottery will work with my modifications:

1) Before a lottery round starts, a server seed will be generated and it's hash will be provided.
2) After a lottery round is concluded, a list of user id's and tickets will be produced in a text file ordered by ascending user id's. This order will be used to create the "ticket-windows" as Zhor and edge777 have described below.
3) Then a tweet will be made to our twitter account containing the following:

  • A future bitcoin block number that has not yet been mined. The block hash of this block will be used as the client seed. This block will be at least 3 blocks in the future.
  • The link to the text file in 2.
  • A MD5 hash of the text file in 2 to verify that the contents of the text file have not been modified since posting. If the contents of the file change, it will produce a different MD5 hash which will not match the one provided originally.

Twitter is ideal for this because it will provide a timestamp that can be verified to check that the block number provided is in the future. Also, tweets cannot be edited, only deleted so if I delete the original tweet and post a new one after the block has been mined, it will have a timestamp greater than the timestamp of the block used for the client seed.

4) The server seed, block hash and an incrementing nonce will be used to draw the 10 lottery winners.

Please let me know if this can be exploited in any way or if it needs clarification. I believe this is the easiest implementation that can also be verified quickly by users. I am still open to ideas until I proceed with implementing this (in the next few weeks) so please post your ideas and if something better comes along, I'll use that. If not, the reward will be divided equally between edge77 and Zhor.

The original idea is below.

well, hello everybody from bitcointalk,
[...]

hey, nice to see that you liked my idea!
I still don't like the usage of 3rd parties, but at least it will hopefully bring more people to your twitter page. Let's just assume that it is impossible to bribe twitter to change a tweet.
I like how it is much easier to verify, but it is on the cost of privacy. Over the weeks, everyone can analyze the "basic activity" (seen as the amount of tickets a user spent on the lottery) of individual users and of the system as a whole. Also - and this could hurt more - you will publish indirectly the number of inactive users. And you can also see how long it takes for any user (in special or in general) to go inactive.
However i dont see any way to manipulate the system as user or admin.

You also need to publish the exact algorithm how the 10 lottery winners are calculated.


I don't think it will be a breach of privacy since it will just be a list of user id's and their tickets for that week. Other people knowing the number of active and inactive users will also not be a problem for us.
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