Topic: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest - page 915. (Read 523003 times)

No. When someone is making false claims against us as you are currently doing what I would like to see is some real evidence.


You were the one trying to deflect by changing the subject not me.


You said 1:492496, I said 1:20000 so please do not misrepresent my words.

Where is your evidence that proves this? Show me a roll that was 9999.5 or above that was rounded down.

Look at the last post I paid the $5 bonus to:


Click the verifier link and you'll see this:

Server seed: c06eeac41f469fc56e262f9090794904f33ddbc1843485c8a7e5ae954f2e5889
Client seed: pZ3Pu2ITmFbnrzCe
Nonce: 70355

So:
STRING1 = 70355:c06eeac41f469fc56e262f9090794904f33ddbc1843485c8a7e5ae954f2e5889:70355
STRING2 = 70355:pZ3Pu2ITmFbnrzCe:70355

Use SHA 512 to hash string1 with string 2 as the salt https://www.online-convert.com/result/17e14142-0ebe-4fa2-a06a-134bc70dcc7b

Gives hex:
FFFE565B8A43FD180EE58F94C095D91405E268760E22D49752B4DB1420402B40EDB7BAE56CE188F 496F059AB9CC09CA1A36336881264281E21510FE05B5A5788

First 8 digits converst to decimal: https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/number/hex-to-decimal.html
4294858331

4294858331/429496.7295 = 9999.746298417

Which was rounded up to 10000 and the lucky freebitco.in customer received $200 in Bitcoin.


Let me correct that for you. Based on the wildly incorrect false assumption that there are 30,000,000 free rolls a day.


Let me give you a far more relevant number. 142.313. That's how many BTC were wagered yesterday and 5% of that is our theoretical income which comes to 7.11565 BTC = $51,659.61 so even if your rediculous assumption was correct $12,000 would not be a problem to us.

They count referrals in the sum, and players can claim every hour and price was really low when they started.

I had never noticed this before. I just checked that. You are right. When you refresh the page, the number starts to increase from a lower amount. But I don't think there is a big problem. If you refresh the page after a longer time (e. g. 5 minutes), you will see that the number starts to increase from an amount which is bigger than the number it started to increase from in your previous refresh.

The reason is that the correct data are updated every X minutes. In other words, data are corrected every X minutes. If you refresh the page after X minutes, you will see different numbers.

The website says you've given away over 197,000 BTC (currently equivalent to about $1.4 billion). Likewise there are a total of 101 billion games played and almost 35 million members. That means on average, each user on the platform has earned 0.005 BTC.

Is this accurate? Every time the website refreshes, the countdown starts from the exact same numbers, which means it's either a complete fabrication, or its simply outdated?

On freebitco Yes.


You are completely right. That's how the outcome is determined on Freebitco.
I don't think the procedure of determining the outcome is similar in all the websites.

For example , In wolf.bet, the outcome is a number between 0 and 99.99.
There is no any rounding and the chance of hitting any of numbers are equal.

This is what I ave understood.
Someone correct me if I am wrong

I'm sorry, but it seems that your second sentence contradicts the first one. So, is there a difference between hitting 00000/10000 and any other number on FreeBitco.in?

I've been always thinking that there shouldn't be any, but some posters in this thread are claiming that there certainly is, considering the method of obtaining the numbers we see on our screen. And now I think, indeed we have two times less numbers which can be rounded to 00000 or 10000 than that for any other number.

For example, we can obtain 00001 by rounding anything from 00000.5 to 00001.49999999. But we can get 00000 only by rounding numbers from the interval [00000, 00000.49999999], and this interval is two times smaller than the previous one.

Am I right or am I missing something here?

I don't mean to complaint of the value but what is "true" must be clarified


For this, I already make a screenshot and do you want to see it? What a feeling that some thing are going to happen from your say and luckily i captured it with my post being the last. You are not answering directly straight to the point but drive the story to something else and will just telling other "bullshit, idiot, liar, blah blah" after starting to lose to defense it.

The example given just to let anyone else reading this to read and verify himself and my main point is "getting 10000 is not the same chance or 1/2 chance of getting other numbers" despite your marketing terms but technically people need to know what is the real chance behind it.

There is nothing to deny that I purposely tried to drive you to "admit that the system is really rounded of to the nearest integer" with your examples too (hope they are still there). So that I can prove that it's not and it's also not 1:20000 as per your saying to get the $200 prize number, but it's much more than that which is 1:4294967295, and also not 1:492496 as you argued with me.

Base on simple math you can't give out 30,000,000 / 492,496 = ~ 60 * 200 = 12000 USD a day understanding that this is free and your main income is not from Free Roll as well as can't effort to pay out this amount since it's only a gateway to other things.

Numbers of user accounts and total "free roll" count per day will definately huge and you simply can't and won't pay on the 1:492,496 but 1:4,294,967,295 is more realistic. I dare you to show a reasonable proof of "total free rolls played per day" and total number of rolls that hit 10000. Definately you will not because it will yield the true odd as I said.

He's just trying to obfuscate the fact he couldn't understand the difference between "rounded off to the nearest whole number" and "rounded down" or "rounded up". The same tactics The Village Idiot uses. When proved wrong just make a lot of noise complaining about something else or just keep making the same complaint ignoring that I've already explained why they are wrong.

If the website does follow the convention of rounding up fractional numbers over 0.5  I dont see a big point to argue over.

Active every 24hr userbase will be largely different to the total amount.   Also the website has to deal with people who try to make many accounts not just one.

Bitcoin is bigger then this website and Freebitco is top ranked in the world for betting websites apparently, someone mentioned it a while back.    Not everyone can be bothered using a forum, making posts even if they read the forum a bit.  I can type 70wpm, not sure I can speak properly that fast even so its zero effort to me but I know tons of single digit typers might spend 1 minute trying to find the L key lots of people dont like typing on forums even if they do read here so I know theres tons of users out there not on the radar in registered posts.   
  I dont have the name for the phenomena but the shadow or footprint of an object can be far larger then the physical register, BTC in potential user base is giant compared to active people who will speak up on these forums.  Im a member of many big and small forums and some are just shy, funny as that is on the internet.
  I was  reading these forums for a few months on and off before I decided that I should sign up, sadly it was similar with Bitcoin I heard of it years beforehand.  Like a decade before I thought digital currency on the net would be something, there was a few token services that rose in the dotcom boom and fell so I guess BTC was in that category for me initially.

Are you for real? Are you really complaining about rounding of up to 0.000072 USD. I just explained why it is essential. Why do you just ignore that. Is it because it shows you don't have a complaint? Or is it because you want to change the subject after I just proved you incorrect?

How about apologising for this?



Why did you just go back and edit your previous post after I had already answered it? Are you trying to make look like I ignored you latest bullshit?

This post up above sums it up perfectly.


I will not give you any more the time of day than I do The Village Idiot from now on.

So that what I say is correct, it get doubled, first the already house edge 5% and the next is 1 sat. Too aggressive in this case.

There is no room for misunderstanding the meaning of the word "nearest".



This is a completely different subject and I didn't reply because I didn't want the 2 issues to cloud or confuse.

There is a very simple and essential mathematical reason why the payouts are rounded down to the nearest Satoshi. If we rounded to the nearest whole number and you bet 50 sats at 1.01x the 0.5 Sat win would be rounded up to 1 Sat but you would only lose 50 Sats when you lose. That would make it a +EV bet and the bankroll would emptied 1 Sat at a time.
For anyone making reasonable size bets the rounding loss of up to 0.000072 USD isn't really of any significance.

A simple term can be understand the same way by everyone but it can be another meaning by the one whom defined it. The reason I've asked so many time that is because on your site what currently going on an can be checked and verified is the payout of winning of Multiply BTC game which is not "rounded of to the nearest whole number" but to benefit the house it's rounded down. It's a strange thing that in any other site the rounding thing is done correctly and fair (up to the smallest unit is satoshi), but in your site despite the already high house edge, by using the math rounding, it's again "make used" to benefit the house on paying the winning payout by round down.

The same would be apply to the free roll thing where everyone can check is, the winning of $200 or 10000 will be much much more than what's currently is, if there really a 1:492496 chance for getting 10000. With that huge number of accounts (30 mil+) in average of 1 user doing 1 roll per day (average out the case a user can roll many more than that and those accounts are inactive), it 30+ million times rolled per day and surprising that a very small number of users are reporting their big win over time, if that's real then 30000000/492496 = 60 wins at least per day, this is certainly not happening but with the rate of users who reported the win...only few of them over a week, it's clearly that the later case is currently going on which is 1:4294967295 chance, and thus the report winning thread is representing this correctly which is just one or two users are reporting winning for a specific day as well as there were already days without any report. Anyone know how to think and do the statistcal math can see it clearly .

 

I'm not questioning your programming skills. It is your comprehension of simple basic terms like "rounded off to the nearest whole number" I am having doubts about.

I assumed everyone knew that means x.0 to x.49999..... is rounded down and x.5 to x.99999..... is rounded up. That's why the question was too dumb to answer the first time you asked it.

4294967295÷429496.7295=10000
4294967294÷429496.7295=9999.999997672
4294967293÷429496.7295=9999.999995343

etc. all get rounded up.

OK so I can confirm that your statement of:" to get a result 0 or 10000 there is 1/2 lesser chance of getting other numbers" is COMPLETELY WRONG.
According to the calculation statement of your "PROVABLY FAIR" there are 1:4,294,967,295 maximum possible outcomes of that HEX to Integer, BUT to be yielded a 10,000 rolled number there is only ONE chance (which is 4294967295 / 429496.7295 = 10000).
To get a 9999, it need to be at least 429496.7295*9999 = 4294537798. Since they are "rounded off to the nearest whole number" any numbers from 4294537798 -> 4294967294 (less the last Integer 4294967295) will become 9999. There are: 4294967294 - 4294537798 = 429496 chance of getting 9999 compare with ONE(1) chance of getting a 10000. Apply the sam calculation any number from 0-9999 will have the same chance of 1:429496 to occur while there is 1:4294967295 chance to get a 10000.

Don't ask me again to learn superb math if the above calculation is wrong, I only have enough math to finish my job as a seasonal Progammer, peach.



 

It didn't answer because the difference between "rounded off to the nearest whole number" and "rounded down" is something anyone with primary school education will understand and comparing how the rolls are calculated to how something completely different is calculated is yet another straw man.

I will ask you to read again and explain how "rounded off to the nearest whole number" could possibly be any more clear or truthful.

Those numbers are super rare, given the fact that most aren't aware that this forum exists or only lurk around.

There is no information, that why I've asked and you didn't answer that key part, let I repeat, if the results are from 9999.51 - 9999.99 will it get rounded "to nearest integer" to become 10000, or it would be "rounded down" to become 9999 as similar to Multiply BTC results? If you will answer that it is truly "rounded to nearest integer" then explain why there is different in Multiply BTC game given the example: betting on 0.48% win chance or 197.92 odd, the payout would be only 196 in which equal to 197.92 less 0.92 part is stripped off (or rounded down) and less 1.00 stake.

Don't ask me to read because there is different found already, it's yours to clarify, just tell the truth.

It's nothing strange. After winning $20 or $200, Freebitco.in users get email message to post proof of winning in order to get $5 bonus. And judt for this bonus they make Bitcointalk account.
Bitcointalk have just 2.7 million users and even much less in reality. While Freebitco.in hsve over 34 million registered users. Numbers obviously tells that only small part of Freebitco.in users have Bitcointalk account.

One thing is very interesting if you check there are nearly 1500 posts and more then 1000 are from newbies with just one or two posts and very few from active users.