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Quote from: AndySt on September 04, 2021, 06:29:39 PM

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I also wonder whether Donnarumma has some clauses in his contract for a guaranteed number of games or anything like that. Would he really sign a contract with PSG when he could expect to be sitting on the bench for a whole season? I also somehow think that there is something we don't know about yet regarding his contract details. Maybe he is going to play the champions league games? Or the Coup de France?
There only way otherwise would be a very weak Navas or an injury for Navas.

I think that such things as mandatory participation in Champions League games are unlikely to be prescribed in the contract, because this will greatly constrain the club in the matter of building a squad. I think that a large salary in itself is a strong argument for Paris Saint-Germain to use Donnarumma in the team's games. I also believe that Donnarumma is confident enough in his abilities to use the chances presented, and the chances will be provided by the coaching staff in any case. Navas has already faced a similar situation at Real Madrid, when Courtois joined the squad, who did not shine at all at the beginning of his career for the Madrid club, but he was constantly given chances to justify his large investments in the player.

Maybe it is not specifically Champions League games that is mentioned in the contract, but it could very well be that he was promised 10 games at least, for example. If not, it is definitely all about the money or Donnarumma was caught by surprise that Pochettino does decide to make Navas number one.

Anyway, having two goalkeepers of that quality in your team can (and almost must!) cause a lot of friction, especially if both are in shape to play and be number one. It sounds like luxury, but it reminds me a little bit of ter Stegen's situation in Barcelona. I think it took him three years against Valdez to finally become number one. Is it worth it as a young high potential goalkeeper to sit on the bench for three years? At least ter Stegen did have his games every now and then.

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Quote from: püsür on September 05, 2021, 01:23:55 AM

Last champion Lille has started little bit shaky I think, although their player 'the king' Burak Yilmaz already scored two times, he is quite old and I find it very doubtful that he can continue his performance throughout the season. Of course PSG is the biggest name for the championship and they already have 12 points in 4 games. I expect this year they might have an easy title after the last year's disappointment.

I assume that PSG will focus on winning the Champions League title more than the Ligue 1 this season. Because they have a trio like Mbappe - Neymar - Messi now. As Mbappe will be leaving the team next summer most probably, maybe they won't find a this close chance to win the title later. But of course I don't mean that they will just let the Ligue 1 go. They will play with all they have here also. And it seems like they can become the champions even easier than before. Because teams like Lille, Lyon and Monaco are having a really tough time.

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Last champion Lille has started little bit shaky I think, although their player 'the king' Burak Yilmaz already scored two times, he is quite old and I find it very doubtful that he can continue his performance throughout the season. Of course PSG is the biggest name for the championship and they already have 12 points in 4 games. I expect this year they might have an easy title after the last year's disappointment.

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Donnarumma is a very talented goalkeeper. He is 22 years old but he already deserves to be in the starting eleven of whatever team he goes to. I also doubt whether PSG are the right club for him at least for now. Because Keylor Navas' performance is still very high. I don't think that PSG will suddenly cut him off from the starting eleven. Donnarumma might not find the chances he want so quickly.

Donnarumma is indeed a talented Goalkeeper. His performance in the Euro 2020 was impressive. He kept 3 clean sheet in 7 appearance, and conceded only 4 goals. But, with the presence of Keylor Navas in PSG, it will be difficult for Donnarumma to participate in many match, because Navas will be keeping in most PSG match. He should have gone to another club, were he won't be beached.

That's why I think that PSG are not the best team for Donnarumma. I think that he should look for another big team as long as Keylor Navas are the main goalkeeper here. Navas never seems like he will be out-of-form at least for now. In this case, there is literally no way Donnarumma taking his place in the starting eleven. And as long as he just waits in the subs, it will affect his career badly also.

I also wonder whether Donnarumma has some clauses in his contract for a guaranteed number of games or anything like that. Would he really sign a contract with PSG when he could expect to be sitting on the bench for a whole season? I also somehow think that there is something we don't know about yet regarding his contract details. Maybe he is going to play the champions league games? Or the Coup de France?
There only way otherwise would be a very weak Navas or an injury for Navas.

Do these players have this term of guaranteeing a number of games one can have signed up in their contracts? I doubt it , imagine a player gets injured and they are unable to deliver on their part of the agreement which they signed for,, this would certainly be a breach of contract...but the important thing is to just have Donnarumma have game time to allow him to grow and for Navas to rest instead of being benched all the time .

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Quote from: Kusman on September 04, 2021, 05:57:24 PM

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I do not get it, I do not think that Donnaruma is a player that you put on the bench, I do not care who you have as your main goalkeeper. I mean honestly do you guys really think that Navas is a better goalkeeper? I believe that Donnaruma was taken to be played and he should be playing, Navas could be a bench player that plays in certain league matches and mainly in cup games but when it comes to most league matches and UCL then it should be Donnaruma that plays.

Even at his age he is a better goalkeeper right now if you ask me and if they keep him playing and happy then he could potentially give them 15 seasons easily because goalkeepers age a lot gracefully then most other positions. That is of course just my idea, and we will see what pochettino will do with him.

Exactly, he is not a goalkeeper to be put on the bench normally. But we know how great Keylor Navas' performance is now. In this case, PSG really don't have much choice rather than taking such action. Donnarumma might not get many chances for some time. Actually, they can create a formula like Navas and Donnarumma play consecutively considering each match. They shouldn't let Donnarumma just wait in the subs like that.

Donnarumma and Navas are both skilled goalkeepers. Navas may be good form now but Donnarumma is also experienced enough. We have seen how good a goalkeeper he is in the Euro cup. PSG has taken him to the team at a cost of 60m for his outstanding performance. The coach may now give both of them a chance to play, playing Navas in one match and Donnarumma in the next.

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Quote from: mv1986 on September 04, 2021, 05:29:12 PM

I also wonder whether Donnarumma has some clauses in his contract for a guaranteed number of games or anything like that. Would he really sign a contract with PSG when he could expect to be sitting on the bench for a whole season? I also somehow think that there is something we don't know about yet regarding his contract details. Maybe he is going to play the champions league games? Or the Coup de France?
There only way otherwise would be a very weak Navas or an injury for Navas.

I think that such things as mandatory participation in Champions League games are unlikely to be prescribed in the contract, because this will greatly constrain the club in the matter of building a squad. I think that a large salary in itself is a strong argument for Paris Saint-Germain to use Donnarumma in the team's games. I also believe that Donnarumma is confident enough in his abilities to use the chances presented, and the chances will be provided by the coaching staff in any case. Navas has already faced a similar situation at Real Madrid, when Courtois joined the squad, who did not shine at all at the beginning of his career for the Madrid club, but he was constantly given chances to justify his large investments in the player.

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Quote from: dezoel on September 04, 2021, 04:31:44 PM

I do not get it, I do not think that Donnaruma is a player that you put on the bench, I do not care who you have as your main goalkeeper. I mean honestly do you guys really think that Navas is a better goalkeeper? I believe that Donnaruma was taken to be played and he should be playing, Navas could be a bench player that plays in certain league matches and mainly in cup games but when it comes to most league matches and UCL then it should be Donnaruma that plays.

Even at his age he is a better goalkeeper right now if you ask me and if they keep him playing and happy then he could potentially give them 15 seasons easily because goalkeepers age a lot gracefully then most other positions. That is of course just my idea, and we will see what pochettino will do with him.

Exactly, he is not a goalkeeper to be put on the bench normally. But we know how great Keylor Navas' performance is now. In this case, PSG really don't have much choice rather than taking such action. Donnarumma might not get many chances for some time. Actually, they can create a formula like Navas and Donnarumma play consecutively considering each match. They shouldn't let Donnarumma just wait in the subs like that.

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Donnarumma is a very talented goalkeeper. He is 22 years old but he already deserves to be in the starting eleven of whatever team he goes to. I also doubt whether PSG are the right club for him at least for now. Because Keylor Navas' performance is still very high. I don't think that PSG will suddenly cut him off from the starting eleven. Donnarumma might not find the chances he want so quickly.

Donnarumma is indeed a talented Goalkeeper. His performance in the Euro 2020 was impressive. He kept 3 clean sheet in 7 appearance, and conceded only 4 goals. But, with the presence of Keylor Navas in PSG, it will be difficult for Donnarumma to participate in many match, because Navas will be keeping in most PSG match. He should have gone to another club, were he won't be beached.

That's why I think that PSG are not the best team for Donnarumma. I think that he should look for another big team as long as Keylor Navas are the main goalkeeper here. Navas never seems like he will be out-of-form at least for now. In this case, there is literally no way Donnarumma taking his place in the starting eleven. And as long as he just waits in the subs, it will affect his career badly also.

I also wonder whether Donnarumma has some clauses in his contract for a guaranteed number of games or anything like that. Would he really sign a contract with PSG when he could expect to be sitting on the bench for a whole season? I also somehow think that there is something we don't know about yet regarding his contract details. Maybe he is going to play the champions league games? Or the Coup de France?
There only way otherwise would be a very weak Navas or an injury for Navas.

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Quote from: blackened515 on September 04, 2021, 04:24:43 PM

Quote from: Pulsar77 on September 04, 2021, 08:27:53 AM

Donnarumma is a very talented goalkeeper. He is 22 years old but he already deserves to be in the starting eleven of whatever team he goes to. I also doubt whether PSG are the right club for him at least for now. Because Keylor Navas' performance is still very high. I don't think that PSG will suddenly cut him off from the starting eleven. Donnarumma might not find the chances he want so quickly.

Donnarumma is indeed a talented Goalkeeper. His performance in the Euro 2020 was impressive. He kept 3 clean sheet in 7 appearance, and conceded only 4 goals. But, with the presence of Keylor Navas in PSG, it will be difficult for Donnarumma to participate in many match, because Navas will be keeping in most PSG match. He should have gone to another club, were he won't be beached.

That's why I think that PSG are not the best team for Donnarumma. I think that he should look for another big team as long as Keylor Navas are the main goalkeeper here. Navas never seems like he will be out-of-form at least for now. In this case, there is literally no way Donnarumma taking his place in the starting eleven. And as long as he just waits in the subs, it will affect his career badly also.

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Quote from: dezoel on September 04, 2021, 04:31:44 PM

I do not get it, I do not think that Donnaruma is a player that you put on the bench, I do not care who you have as your main goalkeeper. I mean honestly do you guys really think that Navas is a better goalkeeper? I believe that Donnaruma was taken to be played and he should be playing, Navas could be a bench player that plays in certain league matches and mainly in cup games but when it comes to most league matches and UCL then it should be Donnaruma that plays.

Even at his age he is a better goalkeeper right now if you ask me and if they keep him playing and happy then he could potentially give them 15 seasons easily because goalkeepers age a lot gracefully then most other positions. That is of course just my idea, and we will see what pochettino will do with him.

The quality is really big honestly. Navas is an amazing and experienced goalkeeper and had an amazing previous season. Donnarumma was brought to PSG as the big future and will probobly play half of games and half Navas. But you cannot just remove Navas if he is doing amazing. Will need to wait a little longer to play honestly

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I do not get it, I do not think that Donnaruma is a player that you put on the bench, I do not care who you have as your main goalkeeper. I mean honestly do you guys really think that Navas is a better goalkeeper? I believe that Donnaruma was taken to be played and he should be playing, Navas could be a bench player that plays in certain league matches and mainly in cup games but when it comes to most league matches and UCL then it should be Donnaruma that plays.

Even at his age he is a better goalkeeper right now if you ask me and if they keep him playing and happy then he could potentially give them 15 seasons easily because goalkeepers age a lot gracefully then most other positions. That is of course just my idea, and we will see what pochettino will do with him.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on September 04, 2021, 08:27:53 AM

Donnarumma is a very talented goalkeeper. He is 22 years old but he already deserves to be in the starting eleven of whatever team he goes to. I also doubt whether PSG are the right club for him at least for now. Because Keylor Navas' performance is still very high. I don't think that PSG will suddenly cut him off from the starting eleven. Donnarumma might not find the chances he want so quickly.

Donnarumma is indeed a talented Goalkeeper. His performance in the Euro 2020 was impressive. He kept 3 clean sheet in 7 appearance, and conceded only 4 goals. But, with the presence of Keylor Navas in PSG, it will be difficult for Donnarumma to participate in many match, because Navas will be keeping in most PSG match. He should have gone to another club, were he won't be beached.

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Quote from: hahay on September 04, 2021, 10:32:15 AM

What I realized was that Ligue 1 in the past was a competitive league as well but indeed, they couldn't be consistent to stay on the title track. When I was very young when there was Ligue 1 of course it was about Lyon, Marseille and also Bordeaux and even then, when I have entered into gambling at this age at least I still see these teams as big teams. But yes, I realize their dominance is no longer good in the title race because of that, they can't consistently maintain good management and of course that will also affect their performance in every match.

You are right that in the past Ligue 1 was a competitive league and even now Saint-Etienne are the most title holders with 10 trophies, but that changed drastically when Nasser Al-Kheilaifi bought PSG in 2011 and turned PSG into a club that dominates Ligue 1 with his wealth. , if you look at the list of Ligue 1 champions from 2013 to 2021, PSG have won 7 times, except in 2017 (As monaco) and 2021 (monaco). Regardless of the history, I think Ligue 1 is no longer as attractive as it used to be because it is only dominated by one club.

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You are right. There are many good teams in Ligue 1. They can’t compete for the title just because they don’t maintain consistency of performance. The clubs do not have enough money. If the clubs could hire experienced coaches, their performance would have improved further.

Indeed, there are still many good clubs in Ligue 1, but no matter how good the club is, it will certainly be unable to compete with clubs that have strong finances and these good clubs are now only used as a place to look for talented players by rich clubs.
In your opinion, if there are any a very good player at AS monaco at the moment and he was offered by PSG for a high price, will AS monaco refuse the offter to keep their squad balanced?
I don't think so, of course Monaco will let these players go and take money to find other talented young players to educate and then sell them again.

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Donnarumma is a very talented goalkeeper. He is 22 years old but he already deserves to be in the starting eleven of whatever team he goes to. I also doubt whether PSG are the right club for him at least for now. Because Keylor Navas' performance is still very high. I don't think that PSG will suddenly cut him off from the starting eleven. Donnarumma might not find the chances he want so quickly.

I'm sorry to say it but for me, Donnarumma is a bit overestimated player. Not that he is not a very good goalkeeper but €60 million is a lot of money for him. I believe that this price has been made more from his "gold finger" manager, Mino Raiola, and not so for his skills. PSG wanted a keeper at least younger from Navas and they have money to spend. So everyone is happy, I guess. Grin

To be honest, I don't see a market value of €60m as too much for a decent goalkeeper like Donnarumma. In today's football, teams pay incredible amount of money for only an average player. And they don't even care about it. They just want to have the player at any cost. So, €60m is not a so big amount of money for big teams especially. When it comes to PSG, this amount of money is nothing to them. They don't even care about Mbappe leaving for free at the end of the season. They just rejected a €220m offer. Cheesy

Donnarumma is a good enough goalkeeper. 60m doesn't mean much for him. PSG, on the other hand, has a lot of money. And they want to form the strongest squad. They do not want to miss out on this season's Champions League title. They want to win the Champions League title at any cost. So they did not respond to the offer of so much money for Mbappe.

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Quote from: Karartma1 on September 04, 2021, 11:36:41 AM

Kylian Mbappé will play in Ligue 1 after the international break for what could be his last season at PSG. But according to a few sources the player is not expected to leave the club for free at the end of the season. According to the sources, Mbappé is likely to extend his contract with PSG in the coming months!

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I'm willing to bet what you want that Mbappé will renew his contract with PSG

Above the words of the Spanish journalist Manu Carreno.

I would bet against it with the single reason being that Mbappe has all the options in the world for the coming season. Why would he sign any early contract now? There is definitely no point in doing that. He is going to get a massive cash bonus for any contract he is going to sign next year. Every single EUR that would have been paid as a transfer fee can now go straight into his pockets. That is what he is going for for sure. His agent will make sure that he is going to cash in big time, and he will.

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Quote from: condoras on September 04, 2021, 09:53:28 AM

Quote from: Pulsar77 on September 04, 2021, 08:27:53 AM

Donnarumma is a very talented goalkeeper. He is 22 years old but he already deserves to be in the starting eleven of whatever team he goes to. I also doubt whether PSG are the right club for him at least for now. Because Keylor Navas' performance is still very high. I don't think that PSG will suddenly cut him off from the starting eleven. Donnarumma might not find the chances he want so quickly.

I'm sorry to say it but for me, Donnarumma is a bit overestimated player. Not that he is not a very good goalkeeper but €60 million is a lot of money for him. I believe that this price has been made more from his "gold finger" manager, Mino Raiola, and not so for his skills. PSG wanted a keeper at least younger from Navas and they have money to spend. So everyone is happy, I guess. Grin

To be honest, I don't see a market value of €60m as too much for a decent goalkeeper like Donnarumma. In today's football, teams pay incredible amount of money for only an average player. And they don't even care about it. They just want to have the player at any cost. So, €60m is not a so big amount of money for big teams especially. When it comes to PSG, this amount of money is nothing to them. They don't even care about Mbappe leaving for free at the end of the season. They just rejected a €220m offer. Cheesy

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Quote from: Karartma1 on September 04, 2021, 11:36:41 AM

Kylian Mbappé will play in Ligue 1 after the international break for what could be his last season at PSG. But according to a few sources the player is not expected to leave the club for free at the end of the season. According to the sources, Mbappé is likely to extend his contract with PSG in the coming months!

He will be another Neymar in PSG?

Wanted to leave, intentionally self-quarantine from the team, lost his chance to leave the club at late of transfer season. Play well for PSG and renew the contract, it is what Neymar did.

What will be the end of the story among PSG - Mbappe - Real Madrid? I think we will know it before January 2022 when Mbappe will be free to discuss with other clubs. If PSG won't be able to renew the contract with Mbappe before January, it's possibly that Mbappe will leave PSG after all.

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Kylian Mbappé will play in Ligue 1 after the international break for what could be his last season at PSG. But according to a few sources the player is not expected to leave the club for free at the end of the season. According to the sources, Mbappé is likely to extend his contract with PSG in the coming months!

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Ligue 1 cannot be considered among the top-tier European Leagues.
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You should ask yourselves if this league can be competitive relying only on the Paris team.

Ligue 1 is better than many other European leagues but for sure cannot be compared to EPL, La Liga nor Serie A.
Basically, PSG is a top team that worth playing in EPL, otherwise Marseille, Lille and other teams like Nice and Lyon aren't consistent at all in their own league without talking about EL or CL matches...

Of the several existing football leagues, in my opinion the EPL is the most attractive and competitive league compared to other football leagues, clubs competing in the English league have equal strength and the same opportunities to become champions, as did Leicester City in the 2016 season, while other leagues may only have 2 or 3 teams that continue to compete for the championship, such as the :
Bundesliga (Bayern Munich and Dortmund),
Ligue 1 (PSG, Lille),
La Liga (Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid)
Serie A (Juventus, AC Milan, Inter Milan).

What I realized was that Ligue 1 in the past was a competitive league as well but indeed, they couldn't be consistent to stay on the title track. When I was very young when there was Ligue 1 of course it was about Lyon, Marseille and also Bordeaux and even then, when I have entered into gambling at this age at least I still see these teams as big teams. But yes, I realize their dominance is no longer good in the title race because of that, they can't consistently maintain good management and of course that will also affect their performance in every match.

You are right. There are many good teams in Ligue 1. They can’t compete for the title just because they don’t maintain consistency of performance. The clubs do not have enough money. If the clubs could hire experienced coaches, their performance would have improved further.

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Quote from: poldanmig on September 04, 2021, 10:22:16 AM

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Quote from: acquafredda on September 01, 2021, 09:07:22 AM

Ligue 1 cannot be considered among the top-tier European Leagues.
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You should ask yourselves if this league can be competitive relying only on the Paris team.

Ligue 1 is better than many other European leagues but for sure cannot be compared to EPL, La Liga nor Serie A.
Basically, PSG is a top team that worth playing in EPL, otherwise Marseille, Lille and other teams like Nice and Lyon aren't consistent at all in their own league without talking about EL or CL matches...

Of the several existing football leagues, in my opinion the EPL is the most attractive and competitive league compared to other football leagues, clubs competing in the English league have equal strength and the same opportunities to become champions, as did Leicester City in the 2016 season, while other leagues may only have 2 or 3 teams that continue to compete for the championship, such as the :
Bundesliga (Bayern Munich and Dortmund),
Ligue 1 (PSG, Lille),
La Liga (Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid)
Serie A (Juventus, AC Milan, Inter Milan).

What I realized was that Ligue 1 in the past was a competitive league as well but indeed, they couldn't be consistent to stay on the title track. When I was very young when there was Ligue 1 of course it was about Lyon, Marseille and also Bordeaux and even then, when I have entered into gambling at this age at least I still see these teams as big teams. But yes, I realize their dominance is no longer good in the title race because of that, they can't consistently maintain good management and of course that will also affect their performance in every match.

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