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i agree partially  with you about the data.
we can always can notice  where we get the data about GOLD, SILVER, S&P ....( commodity, index,.. ) . because of the data has been equal on anywhere and any time.
but as you know  forex  data  has different  from each  forex brokers.  the data even different from in the  same forex broker.
you can see the difference from http://www.dailyfx.com/ and www.fxcm.com.  i know that fxcm runs  both the two sites.
we are using the ask price of the data of fxcm.com and http://www.gaincapital.com/  , but gaincapital.com has not offered real time quotes. and the fxcm quote we have used  little different with the data of  http://www.dailyfx.com/ or www.fxcm.com. i think the difference came from  time, and spread( gap of bid and ask price).

so, we will also offer the  bid price  and  spread on every forex asset. and then you can verify the data more detail. i also don't think the way is the perfect way to verify the data.  
but this may be  our the best.  as soon as the program development is end, we will apply to it.

thank you.

If I don't post much in this forum doesn't mean I do not know what i am talking about.   (also I used to mine at slush's pool with my GPUs if you wana know how long I ve been in this game)
I would be happy to hear where I am wrong in this matter.

again, Not accusing them of cheating but this system is not provably fair.

before I start, I am forex trader so I know what I am talking about.


They should provide a legit forex data source(a forex broker) to create a provably fair environment. So we can verify, if we want to. We should not have to blindly trust the house. IIRC that's the basis of bitcoin, trust no one.

Forex doesn't work that way brother... No one uses "sites" or a "forex site" for actual forex prices. We use ECN clients or Meta Trader Clients provided by brokers.

There are literally hundreds of forex brokers who provide Forex Quotes.. (quote= 2 prices = bid price and ask price) and most of the time their prices dont match at the 5th decimal place, and sometimes even at 4th decimal place... (you can even match prices here at two very big Forex Brokers http://www.fxpro.co.uk/ and http://www.fxcm.com/  and you will see that prices don't match exactly)

So sometimes when we "bet" on prices, there are few very close calls where we lose or win by 5th decimal place or by a fraction and there is no way to verify whether the data was manipulated at any time by the house to tilt the odds just a bit in their favor or not...
(Close calls
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=763a197e1c927a90f85391f204ef9080dbf0ae0bdc27ee02764fa46e07d45834
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=a20e9f0811b3dcdb91c6c0951123cacb4c174ea8b9eed6afd796dc59d429fea4
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=763a197e1c927a90f85391f204ef9080dbf0ae0bdc27ee02764fa46e07d45834)

And Forex prices don't change every second.. it changes in Milliseconds... or as we call them Ticks... But SecondsTrade only updates forex data per second. the update frequency is slower than actual real world Forex Data.


and since no mention of data source, so we dont know whether what is spread of the bid ask values..

So if we Do not know which data source or broker they are using, we cannot verify our results independently.


TL:DR ; I am not accusing them of cheating or calling them illegitimate but They Do not provide any way to publicly verify the results. Or to verify that the exact forex prices are being used to the last decimal place.. and since some of their "games" use Forex Data and a "random" Milliseconds value, We cannot actually verify our results or If correct forex prices were used up to last decimal place or if they are using correct Milliseconds value in Time calculations

Hence they are not Provably fair by any definition...

that will make it more easier i will try to save an amount to try it for the next week then
an experience of a hero membre always beat the experience of newbie 

I personally have had no issues with the site.

after reading the replys XD
i'm not sure if i try the site or no.
the site have great design and i really want to try it.
i will just wait to know if it is provably fair.
good luck guys.

They will Never Provide Forex data and why should they? I believe their system is quite Real Time with Forex , so what you see there is the same happening on Forex site.
If you could provide me with details of your betting slips then i could help you in verifying if you were cheated or not.
where as i know they are pretty Legit.

they do not provide exact data source for forex prices..

They just say, you can verify our prices match dialyfx.com.. the prices may match up to 4 decimal digits.. but 5th one is mostly different at every broker... and they bid/ask gap i.e. spread of every broker is also variable...
They dont say whether they use Bid or Ask price... and from which FX broker..

They do mention the source for the bitcoin price, given that it and the dice is the most commonly used items.

The other ones gold to indices, I remember they mention something about it when someone enquired about it, but I don't remember what.


No, such a code written in 5 minutes would be easily detectable. It should take at least a couple of days and excellent technical know-how to come up with a good undetectable one.

I don't think they are cheating the players, but I do agree that it is not strictly provably fair since a variable is in control of the site and unverifiable atm.

exactly, right now.. the millisecond variable is in their control altogether... There is no fixed time for propagation of Bitcoin TX.. so even if we assume they are taking the correct minutes and seconds values we can never be sure that they used a correct millisecond value.

anyone can write a simple code in 5 minutes which can occasionaly check if the house is losing and alter the value of milliseconds to make the customer loose...

I am not accusing them of anything but THIS SYSTEM IS NOT PROVABLY FAIR

So they should work on making it provably fair...


also they need to clearly mention their data sources... FX market is too huge and every Broker has different value at the 5th decimal point and different spreads... they are not all the same...

They do not mention which value are they using from FX sources i.e. Bid or Ask value?

This system is no where near provably fair..

 I can think of many ways to con my customers if the difference in winning or losing a bet was at 5th decimal point.. and there have been numerous such cases where customers lost or won by 5th decimal places.

Yes, I think that is milliseconds.

Well, i suppose it is available in the txid in blockchain and verifiable. I could be wrong.

Samples:
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=743e2a57ee271905c761bf0afbf0abf78f2af8bb7258be821bc36162ad422e38
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=bfea3895f4685e5a84dfad290915cfffaf90e9f445bd1153fd7fd5974b1194ae
http://secondstrade.com/tx.jsp?tx=682ed625fcf940c18ea44f013cbdfb73136edabb3656c3c6cbfba3c3d06ba260

Observation:
The millisecond variable in the Betting start seed and the Betting expire seed is not the same.
IMO, is possible to change the result, though I don't think they are doing it.

Conclusion:
To make the 5 seconds strictly provably fair, Secondstrade must make the millisecond variable verifiable. The question is how

Edit: may be do away with milliseconds, and add an unpredictable but verifiable external variable.

What is SSS in this?
Milliseconds when you receive the tX?

and How do we know that you are using correct milliseconds value?

because bitcoin network is huge and it takes many seconds for every TX to propagate properly

manipulating the milliseconds by even 1 can change the result in your favor..

How is this provably fair?

good luck to you. and you will definitely feel this site is very fun.

i tried to play with the site, not sure if i win anything 

thank you for your good comment.

I'm all in for Binary Options The site looks very nice.
Will check it out!

the transaction id has been shown only blockchain.info. 
i checked with another block explorer( https://www.blocktrail.com/, https://www.blocktrail.com/,http://blockinfo.org/,https://www.biteasy.com/).
but this transaction is no any where.
so,  you have to ask  blockchain.info about the this problem.

and if our site receive the your coin , the bet will be started from the time  that receive the coin.
thank you.

That number is just an index blockchain.info used for your first transaction 88019d65ca995a05bfd270c560b0772394cbea6b8b433e09eb506a85dfa1e35f.
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/97231650

what is 97231650 ?
First time ever i am experiencing this issue..I haven't spend my coins double time ..don't know how to fix this issue.
can @secondstrade tell me what will happen when you receive my oins , will the bet start from that time or when the transaction was done originally?

Warning! this transaction is a double spend. You should be extremely careful when trusting any transactions to/from this sender. 97231650

13 confirmations but double spends.....