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Quote from: leonair on August 07, 2023, 12:15:12 PM

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on August 07, 2023, 02:40:13 AM

self-control to minimize the risk of gambling that we do is indeed important. but in most cases like this, it is more the gambler who is addicted. they come to the casino not to have fun. they have the ambition to win. and the plague they expected. the impact might be devastating financially for them. but advice to limit gaming funds may be most effective for controlling the emotions of gamblers who are receiving losses

Maybe very few people gamble just for fun it could be because they are too ambitious to win big, and for those who gamble only for fun they will definitely be able to accept if they lose and they also determine how much money to spend on gambling and if the money prepared for gambling loses they will no longer take their savings, I think very few people can do something like this.

Social media scrolling addiction, gambling addiction and other bad addictions waste our time and make us lead a lazy life. And we can't make ourselves experts at anything because we waste time. To become rich one has to work hard and no opportunity should be missed, money should not be wasted, unnecessary expenses should be reduced and other things should be followed. But instead of avoiding these things, we involve ourselves in such a way that it harms us day by day and destroys our lives, forcing us to remain this poor all the time. We have to take responsibility for it ourselves. And if we choose gambling as a daily companion rather than as fun, it will destroy us

One thing I believe in is self-control really because even though we blame it all on the vices that we have facing us which can easily lead us into addictions are all triggered by the quest to fulfil self-desire as to how to handle our gambling life and this isn't the most worried about in most situations because most of the blames have been shifted from the individual to either the media outlet or even the casino itself.

To be a reasonable gambler you must have to place several limitations on what you do and this most time has to do with your limit in time and founding, the number of times you decide to gamble a day and what your stop limits are, this is all the factors we have to consider when gambling.

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Quote from: Bloodseekers on August 07, 2023, 11:09:45 AM

Quote from: Pandu Geddon on August 07, 2023, 02:40:13 AM

self-control to minimize the risk of gambling that we do is indeed important. but in most cases like this, it is more the gambler who is addicted. they come to the casino not to have fun. they have the ambition to win. and the plague they expected. the impact might be devastating financially for them. but advice to limit gaming funds may be most effective for controlling the emotions of gamblers who are receiving losses

Maybe very few people gamble just for fun it could be because they are too ambitious to win big, and for those who gamble only for fun they will definitely be able to accept if they lose and they also determine how much money to spend on gamble and if the money prepared for gambling loses they will no longer take their savings, I think very few people can do something like this.

Social media scrolling addiction, gambling addiction and other bad addictions waste our time and make us lead a lazy life. And we can't make ourselves experts at anything because we waste time. To become rich one has to work hard and no opportunity should be missed, money should not be wasted, unnecessary expenses should be reduced and other things should be followed. But instead of avoiding these things, we involve ourselves in such a way that it harms us day by day and destroys our lives, forcing us to remain this poor all the time. We have to take responsibility for it ourselves. And if we choose gambling as a daily companion rather than as fun, it will destroy us

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Great strategy man. keeping fund limit for day, week or month is a great strategy to control our-self from over gambling and gambling addiction on the other hand it will save us from big losses in the short time. gambling is a high risky place so we should always keep us under control and gamble only for fun purpose. otherwise we have to suffer financially a lot. and for this reason no one will take any responsibility for our activists and losses.

self-control to minimize the risk of gambling that we do is indeed important. but in most cases like this, it is more the gambler who is addicted. they come to the casino not to have fun. they have the ambition to win. and the plague they expected. the impact might be devastating financially for them. but advice to limit gaming funds may be most effective for controlling the emotions of gamblers who are receiving losses

Therefore when we are in the casino both offline and online and when we do any gambling it is important to do apart from self-control, our state of mind must be completely healthy so that we can think logically and have good control in the end.
Talking about self-control actually looks quite easy when we only rely on theory but when realising it, it is actually a very difficult thing to do especially when we are in gambling.

I also don't want to be naive in this case, even though I often say that self-control is important but when my brain is filled with ambition and emotional when gambling then the word "self-control" will only be useless because it always bumps into the rule with the excuse that it is only occasionally which in the end it actually makes the loss worse because we gamble already in a bad condition.

Who hasnt read online articles titled "10 Steps to Better Self-Control"? But when you're there, with the dice in your grasp or the online casino at your fingertips, theory goes out the window.

In theory, everything is sunshine and rainbows. Reality? This opens a whole new challenge. Self-control is similar to a battery in that it eventually runs out. And in the tense world of gambling, its as if everything is designed to deplete your battery faster. When emotion trumps reason, things become true.

Everyone is imperfect. We all make errors on occasion. The true deal is acknowledging the problem and working to resolve it. And yes, occasionally our brain performs tricks on us by generating all these elaborate excuses. However, knowledge is power, correct? Now that you understand the trick your brain performs, you may be able to stay one step ahead in the future.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on August 07, 2023, 02:40:13 AM

self-control to minimize the risk of gambling that we do is indeed important. but in most cases like this, it is more the gambler who is addicted. they come to the casino not to have fun. they have the ambition to win. and the plague they expected. the impact might be devastating financially for them. but advice to limit gaming funds may be most effective for controlling the emotions of gamblers who are receiving losses

Maybe very few people gamble just for fun it could be because they are too ambitious to win big, and for those who gamble only for fun they will definitely be able to accept if they lose and they also determine how much money to spend on gamble and if the money prepared for gambling loses they will no longer take their savings, I think very few people can do something like this.

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Quote from: internetional on August 05, 2023, 03:01:02 PM

You're right, @danadc. Balancing optimism with realism is crucial when addressing gambling addiction. Encouraging responsible play and setting limits can help prevent excessive losses and potential harm. It's important to approach individuals who are heavily involved in gambling with sensitivity and provide support to help them make healthier choices.

And what those healthier choices may be? In my opinion it's smaller bets. Don't increase the size of your single bets and don't increase the number of bets in hopes to win more. That's the key. If you find it entertaining to try your luck now and then, do it. But do it repsponsibly, never going over your daily limit.

Quote from: poodle63 on August 05, 2023, 08:00:18 PM

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How can those play less once they have no intention to stop from playing it? The addiction was coming from themselves. When someone feels he has been losing the game and he wanna recover from their loss and this is triggering addiction to come as soon as possible.
People are just putting in as much money as possible to be able to recover their losses. The only key to avoiding addiction if people can accept their loss if they were not lucky enough playing in the gambling like slot.
As long as they can accept their loss and they may not be addicted to it. The feeling of recovering their loss is making them addicted to gambling.

Yes, that's true in many cases. Don't lose to gambling the amounts you are uncomfortable with losing. That's my advice to such people. I mean, losing any amount can be uncomfortable. I just lost $4 on slots, and I don't feel good about it. But I'm not going to break my neck trying to recover it. I'll just forget it and move on. Just think of the amount you are more or less OK with losing before your gambling adventure.

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Great strategy man. keeping fund limit for day, week or month is a great strategy to control our-self from over gambling and gambling addiction on the other hand it will save us from big losses in the short time. gambling is a high risky place so we should always keep us under control and gamble only for fun purpose. otherwise we have to suffer financially a lot. and for this reason no one will take any responsibility for our activists and losses.

self-control to minimize the risk of gambling that we do is indeed important. but in most cases like this, it is more the gambler who is addicted. they come to the casino not to have fun. they have the ambition to win. and the plague they expected. the impact might be devastating financially for them. but advice to limit gaming funds may be most effective for controlling the emotions of gamblers who are receiving losses

Therefore when we are in the casino both offline and online and when we do any gambling it is important to do apart from self-control, our state of mind must be completely healthy so that we can think logically and have good control in the end.
Talking about self-control actually looks quite easy when we only rely on theory but when realising it, it is actually a very difficult thing to do especially when we are in gambling.

I also don't want to be naive in this case, even though I often say that self-control is important but when my brain is filled with ambition and emotional when gambling then the word "self-control" will only be useless because it always bumps into the rule with the excuse that it is only occasionally which in the end it actually makes the loss worse because we gamble already in a bad condition.

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Quote from: maydna on August 06, 2023, 11:37:24 AM

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That is why having discipline in gambling is a must. No matter how we set limits on our gambling activities, if you still can't follow them, then it is useless. Always practice self-control on it, no matter what is lacking right now. I know it seems easy to say, but it is difficult to do. But again, we don't have other choices as that is the only solution to prevent addiction in gambling: to limit time on it, which limits your gambling activity.

It's true what you say. Discipline in gambling can help us to limit our gambling so that we don't gamble excessively because excessive gambling will only cost a lot of money. That is, if we can win a lot of money, but if we lose a lot of money, it is simply not worth doing, and it is always better for us to try to limit the use of the money. With that discipline, we can use gambling properly as entertainment, and we can also prevent the main problem of gambling, namely gambling addiction, which many people have experienced. It's easy to say and hard to do, but that's what we really have to do if we don't want to get addicted to gambling.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on August 07, 2023, 02:40:13 AM

self-control to minimize the risk of gambling that we do is indeed important. but in most cases like this, it is more the gambler who is addicted. they come to the casino not to have fun. they have the ambition to win. and the plague they expected. the impact might be devastating financially for them. but advice to limit gaming funds may be most effective for controlling the emotions of gamblers who are receiving losses

Yes, that's true and that's what casinos expect when gamblers have the ambition to win and in the end they don't get what they want, too much hope of winning big at gambling won't make us feel satisfied quickly, therefore casinos are happy to have gamblers like it's because that way it's easier to get their money easily.

In my personal opinion, self-control is very important, especially controlling emotions in gambling, of course it will really help us to avoid addiction, so it's better to change the way we play gambling by using a healthier mindset, such as playing for fun, just enjoying the game and not obsessing. on big wins because in the end it will be pointless and painful because of the disappointment of not getting what they wanted.

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Quote from: coinerer on August 07, 2023, 02:04:25 AM

Great strategy man. keeping fund limit for day, week or month is a great strategy to control our-self from over gambling and gambling addiction on the other hand it will save us from big losses in the short time. gambling is a high risky place so we should always keep us under control and gamble only for fun purpose. otherwise we have to suffer financially a lot. and for this reason no one will take any responsibility for our activists and losses.

self-control to minimize the risk of gambling that we do is indeed important. but in most cases like this, it is more the gambler who is addicted. they come to the casino not to have fun. they have the ambition to win. and the plague they expected. the impact might be devastating financially for them. but advice to limit gaming funds may be most effective for controlling the emotions of gamblers who are receiving losses

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Quote from: danadc on August 06, 2023, 05:41:19 PM

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Quote from: maydna on August 05, 2023, 08:05:35 AM

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When someone starts gambling he doesn't understand or believe that he can get deeply addicted to gambling but he gradually gets deeply addicted. It is entirely his personal responsibility as no one forced him to do so. And it is his failure that he cannot control himself. So he has to take full responsibility for it and he is bound to take it himself. Because he cannot logically or legally blame anyone for this. so controlling yourself is a big key to deal with everything

Yes, it is his responsibility not to get addicted to gambling. But the problem with all the temptations of gambling, it can make people forget their responsibilities and continue gambling. They initially always try to limit their gambling, but when they get their winnings, they forget about those restrictions and instead think of gambling one last time. But that one loop ended up being several laps, and forgot to stop. We have experienced this several times, and maybe we still have to learn to deal with this and always stay within the restrictions we make so that we can be responsible when playing gambling.

That is why having discipline in gambling is a must. No matter how we set limits on our gambling activities, if you still can't follow them, then it is useless. Always practice self-control on it, no matter what is lacking right now. I know it seems easy to say, but it is difficult to do. But again, we don't have other choices as that is the only solution to prevent addiction in gambling: to limit time on it, which limits your gambling activity.

In my game I have tried to set my limits in the game, because lately I have played a lot and it scares me, it has not gone badly, because it would be a lie to say that I have played and I have not won, because I have won, but when I have won, I think that I should not continue playing with that intensity because otherwise I could lose and that is what I do not want, I want to establish a low limit of money to spend or have about 30 dollars for the whole week I think it is good, but no pass me,. The last time I said that I was going to play with 50 dollars and I ended up betting 78 dollars, I managed to make 150 dollars, it is not much but it is significant for me, I have not played more because I am afraid of losing more.

Great strategy man. keeping fund limit for day, week or month is a great strategy to control our-self from over gambling and gambling addiction on the other hand it will save us from big losses in the short time. gambling is a high risky place so we should always keep us under control and gamble only for fun purpose. otherwise we have to suffer financially a lot. and for this reason no one will take any responsibility for our activists and losses.

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If anyone hasn't learnt to control his urge in gambling his funds - claiming that he can do whatever he wants, then allow him to be humbled and taught drastically by the wrath of the harsh economy... An adage says "nobody would tell a sensible human to find a shade when it's sunny"
Very many times, peeps would go Thier whole lives making speculations, thinking it'll certainly pay them tons in the future... And I ask - is it a sort of a lifetime contributions for enablement?? What's the specificities behind this lame theorem? Or should I say - what's the certainty behind Thier hopes?

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Quote from: xSkylarx on August 06, 2023, 01:49:29 PM

Quote from: maydna on August 06, 2023, 11:37:24 AM

Quote from: coinerer on August 05, 2023, 08:29:46 AM

Quote from: maydna on August 05, 2023, 08:05:35 AM

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When someone starts gambling he doesn't understand or believe that he can get deeply addicted to gambling but he gradually gets deeply addicted. It is entirely his personal responsibility as no one forced him to do so. And it is his failure that he cannot control himself. So he has to take full responsibility for it and he is bound to take it himself. Because he cannot logically or legally blame anyone for this. so controlling yourself is a big key to deal with everything

Yes, it is his responsibility not to get addicted to gambling. But the problem with all the temptations of gambling, it can make people forget their responsibilities and continue gambling. They initially always try to limit their gambling, but when they get their winnings, they forget about those restrictions and instead think of gambling one last time. But that one loop ended up being several laps, and forgot to stop. We have experienced this several times, and maybe we still have to learn to deal with this and always stay within the restrictions we make so that we can be responsible when playing gambling.

That is why having discipline in gambling is a must. No matter how we set limits on our gambling activities, if you still can't follow them, then it is useless. Always practice self-control on it, no matter what is lacking right now. I know it seems easy to say, but it is difficult to do. But again, we don't have other choices as that is the only solution to prevent addiction in gambling: to limit time on it, which limits your gambling activity.

In my game I have tried to set my limits in the game, because lately I have played a lot and it scares me, it has not gone badly, because it would be a lie to say that I have played and I have not won, because I have won, but when I have won, I think that I should not continue playing with that intensity because otherwise I could lose and that is what I do not want, I want to establish a low limit of money to spend or have about 30 dollars for the whole week I think it is good, but no pass me,. The last time I said that I was going to play with 50 dollars and I ended up betting 78 dollars, I managed to make 150 dollars, it is not much but it is significant for me, I have not played more because I am afraid of losing more.

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Quote from: maydna on August 06, 2023, 11:37:24 AM

Quote from: coinerer on August 05, 2023, 08:29:46 AM

Quote from: maydna on August 05, 2023, 08:05:35 AM

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When someone starts gambling he doesn't understand or believe that he can get deeply addicted to gambling but he gradually gets deeply addicted. It is entirely his personal responsibility as no one forced him to do so. And it is his failure that he cannot control himself. So he has to take full responsibility for it and he is bound to take it himself. Because he cannot logically or legally blame anyone for this. so controlling yourself is a big key to deal with everything

Yes, it is his responsibility not to get addicted to gambling. But the problem with all the temptations of gambling, it can make people forget their responsibilities and continue gambling. They initially always try to limit their gambling, but when they get their winnings, they forget about those restrictions and instead think of gambling one last time. But that one loop ended up being several laps, and forgot to stop. We have experienced this several times, and maybe we still have to learn to deal with this and always stay within the restrictions we make so that we can be responsible when playing gambling.

That is why having discipline in gambling is a must. No matter how we set limits on our gambling activities, if you still can't follow them, then it is useless. Always practice self-control on it, no matter what is lacking right now. I know it seems easy to say, but it is difficult to do. But again, we don't have other choices as that is the only solution to prevent addiction in gambling: to limit time on it, which limits your gambling activity.

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Quote from: Agbe on August 05, 2023, 04:15:55 PM

Quote from: maydna on August 05, 2023, 08:05:35 AM

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Gambling addiction comes from different factors. Some of them started from childhood through their fathers. I have seen a man in my former compound who is a chronic gambling addict sent his son to go to the casino bookmaking hall to place a bet for him and print out the slip then the boy would bring the slip and give to him. And there is no way that child will not involved in gambling because the father has already taught him how to play bet. Now for you to advise that boy to stop gambling will be very hard because for him gambling is a good thing because his father is also doing. Addicted gamblers do not know that they have things to do at and all their thinkings are to play bet and nothing more.

Passing it on to his son was akin to passing on a poor torch. Gambling is unfavorable; it's like something that just captures you. This child, how can he possibly escape? His father sets a poor example. It's like a never-ending cycle; where will it stop?

But here's the thing: perhaps it's not just about fathers and sons, but about the environment as a whole. Perhaps there is nowhere else to go and nothing else to do? If wagering is all people think about and all they do, then what else is there? It's a problem, a genuine problem, and it's difficult to find the right words to describe it, but it's bad. And we must assist, but how? I'm not sure...

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Quote from: coinerer on August 05, 2023, 08:29:46 AM

Quote from: maydna on August 05, 2023, 08:05:35 AM

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When someone starts gambling he doesn't understand or believe that he can get deeply addicted to gambling but he gradually gets deeply addicted. It is entirely his personal responsibility as no one forced him to do so. And it is his failure that he cannot control himself. So he has to take full responsibility for it and he is bound to take it himself. Because he cannot logically or legally blame anyone for this. so controlling yourself is a big key to deal with everything

Yes, it is his responsibility not to get addicted to gambling. But the problem with all the temptations of gambling, it can make people forget their responsibilities and continue gambling. They initially always try to limit their gambling, but when they get their winnings, they forget about those restrictions and instead think of gambling one last time. But that one loop ended up being several laps, and forgot to stop. We have experienced this several times, and maybe we still have to learn to deal with this and always stay within the restrictions we make so that we can be responsible when playing gambling.

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Quote from: Docnaster on August 05, 2023, 04:07:24 PM

Quote from: internetional on August 05, 2023, 03:01:02 PM

You're right, @danadc. Balancing optimism with realism is crucial when addressing gambling addiction. Encouraging responsible play and setting limits can help prevent excessive losses and potential harm. It's important to approach individuals who are heavily involved in gambling with sensitivity and provide support to help them make healthier choices.

All sounds fantastic to read and to implement but in the process of implementation, you will understand a certain set of gambling addict that are almost incurable. It is easy to attend to a gambling addict who has agreed that they are addicted and looking for a way out.
But if you encounter a gambling addict who does not admit that they are addicted, it will be very difficult to administer to that kind of person and that is the set of people we see in the economy. They will never agree that they are addicted until it gets to the extreme where it is hundred percent obvious even to the blind.

On point, it's easy to address someone who are willing to take the help and will help themselves to cure whatever type of addiction they already have inside, they are willing to step away and will do everything to work on with what they are suffering, but with someone who still in denial of addiction, whatever help you provide they will just ignore it and will continue to whatever the desire they wanted to do.

If the person already lose that control, the next thing you'll hear from them is all those regrets that they have after suffering with huge losses, maybe that's also the quickest way that they will realize that there's already something with how they are handling this addiction and a possibility that they might accept the help.

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Quote from: danadc on August 05, 2023, 02:17:25 PM

Those who play the most in a casino, it is not good to tell them to stop playing because they will not do that, you have to be a little more persuasive, you have to tell them not to play so much , to play Less , but you have to know how to say that , what many good players leave them bad is addiction, eos cannot be Denied, when a person is addicted things are very good for them because they do not stop playing, they think that if they had a big loss they can win and Recover , no one It takes them out of that thought, and that is why a person when they are in a casino Cannot lose control leaving everything to be Aimed only at winning, I know that one must be positive but be Realistic.

How can those play less once they have no intention to stop from playing it? The addiction was coming from themselves. When someone feels he has been losing the game and he wanna recover from their loss and this is triggering addiction to come as soon as possible.
People are just putting in as much money as possible to be able to recover their losses. The only key to avoiding addiction if people can accept their loss if they were not lucky enough playing in the gambling like slot.
As long as they can accept their loss and they may not be addicted to it. The feeling of recovering their loss is making them addicted to gambling.

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Quote from: livingfree on April 16, 2023, 12:40:41 PM

One sad truth is that there are too many irresponsible gamblers that are coming to that moment of taking loans because they can't contain the excitement that they want to gamble. And, when they've lost a lot and there's no money anymore they're trying to chase losses through selling their properties and other assets.

It's an emotional battle that's hard to overcome when the affected person is no longer controllable. No one stops anyone from gambling but please don't be too much that you're harming yourself and also affecting others especially your immediate family.

There are no other people that's going to help you at first but them.

Wagering, debt, real estate, highs and lows, joy and sorrow. A jumbled stew of ideas, if you will. People gamble their money away, and when they run out, they sell their homes and other valuables to fund their habit. Why not their pants or jackets instead? The family suffers since there are no shoes to protect them and no means to replace them. It's like being in a never-ending spin, although a miserable one. Put an end to the merrymaking already! Dont sell your shoes, clothes, or cat to finance your gambling habit. But, certainly, take care of yourself and your loved ones. Additionally, remember your neighbors. Perhaps they share my sadness. Perhaps they are cold and need socks.

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Quote from: maydna on August 01, 2023, 10:20:42 AM

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I have seen many experienced gamblers who are always engrossed in gambling. As with gambling, people naturally enjoy it the most and must be counseled before they become addicted to it. Because a person addicted to gambling always brings something bad because the gambler always wants to get something extra from being engrossed in gambling. So such greed and lust is inside everyone but people have to keep control and be engrossed in gambling then it is possible to win in almost all gambling. And a fully addicted person must be weaned out of gambling or else will continue to face losses all the time.

Before they gamble, they should realize they need responsibility to avoid gambling addiction resulting from playing gambling for a long time. If they can understand it, they will not break it because it could be bad for them, so they must have the self-control to stop themselves from gambling continuously. Those who play gambling get advice to stop gambling, and they should listen to this advice because it is for their own good. Thus, they can prevent gambling addiction that can come from playing gambling. The realization is that getting defeated can make them stop and not take the risk of losing even bigger money.

Gambling addiction comes from different factors. Some of them started from childhood through their fathers. I have seen a man in my former compound who is a chronic gambling addict sent his son to go to the casino bookmaking hall to place a bet for him and print out the slip then the boy would bring the slip and give to him. And there is no way that child will not involved in gambling because the father has already taught him how to play bet. Now for you to advise that boy to stop gambling will be very hard because for him gambling is a good thing because his father is also doing. Addicted gamblers do not know that they have things to do at and all their thinkings are to play bet and nothing more.

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Quote from: internetional on August 05, 2023, 03:01:02 PM

You're right, @danadc. Balancing optimism with realism is crucial when addressing gambling addiction. Encouraging responsible play and setting limits can help prevent excessive losses and potential harm. It's important to approach individuals who are heavily involved in gambling with sensitivity and provide support to help them make healthier choices.

All sounds fantastic to read and to implement but in the process of implementation, you will understand a certain set of gambling addict that are almost incurable. It is easy to attend to a gambling addict who has agreed that they are addicted and looking for a way out.
But if you encounter a gambling addict who does not admit that they are addicted, it will be very difficult to administer to that kind of person and that is the set of people we see in the economy. They will never agree that they are addicted until it gets to the extreme where it is hundred percent obvious even to the blind.

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