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Quote from: Bill buffalo on January 07, 2024, 10:18:56 AM

Theoretically speaking if you could predict the algorithm in an online casino wouldn't you be able to predict the game and win a lot let's just say you had access to the algorithm and you were able to replicate it you would practically be able to win all the games

maybe it works randomly. how can we know and predict it accurately? If that is possible, there will be no losses for our bets that know this gap.
and if you are that person, maybe you are a threat to the casino. and finally, your data can be blocked from all casinos and you won't be able to place bets.
but I'm not sure about this. maybe it's just the wishful thinking of a gambler who is very obsessed with winning. or even gamblers who are looking for income from casinos who are thinking about doing that.

Casino houses will never let lose , because it was designed to win against gambler so no matter what OP is asking indeed that we can or he can win a little but in the end ? it is the site that will go home with the money.
so better for us to just play with fun and with luck , than doing what is not necessary .

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Good luck finding the algorithm then, if you don't like going against the casino when you are gambling find games likes sports and bet your money on them, or find games that are players vs players.

If any cheating is going to happen in gambling it's easily from those games that player vs the casino system, cheating will be lesser if you are playing vs another player.

Forget algorithm, even if you get your hand on one do not believe that it will keep working, they don't last long, I remember when people found freebitco bot that's needed to be running in the background of your PC while you are on the official website, few people made some good amount of BTC but it doesn't last very long before it was patched.

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Quote from: Bill buffalo on January 07, 2024, 10:18:56 AM

Theoretically speaking if you could predict the algorithm in an online casino wouldn't you be able to predict the game and win a lot let's just say you had access to the algorithm and you were able to replicate it you would practically be able to win all the games

If this will be possible then you will surely win the games but have you ever knew one that have
had this mate? because I never read someone who admit this but if you come to know one then lets see if
this is really on the table to happen?

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Quote from: Bill buffalo on January 07, 2024, 10:18:56 AM

Theoretically speaking if you could predict the algorithm in an online casino wouldn't you be able to predict the game and win a lot let's just say you had access to the algorithm and you were able to replicate it you would practically be able to win all the games

maybe it works randomly. how can we know and predict it accurately? If that is possible, there will be no losses for our bets that know this gap.
and if you are that person, maybe you are a threat to the casino. and finally, your data can be blocked from all casinos and you won't be able to place bets.
but I'm not sure about this. maybe it's just the wishful thinking of a gambler who is very obsessed with winning. or even gamblers who are looking for income from casinos who are thinking about doing that.

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If you can predict the algorithms in online casinos, you can definitely win a lot. But you can't predict it accurately. There may be a standard algorithm used but the casino will not stick to that algorithm because this is a business. Casinos must have changed certain codes so that the algorithms will become increasingly difficult to predict.

If you can have access to the algorithm, it proves you know how to get into the system and only a few people can do it. Even if you can get into the system and have access, the casino will definitely not sit still and will change the security codes. We can't get into casinos easily.

Indeed, you can win all the games if you can access the algorithm, but it is very difficult. The casino will definitely monitor its security system well.

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Quote from: Bill buffalo on January 07, 2024, 10:18:56 AM

Theoretically speaking if you could predict the algorithm in an online casino wouldn't you be able to predict the game and win a lot let's just say you had access to the algorithm and you were able to replicate it you would practically be able to win all the games

There is no specific algorithm that a particular casino game follows. Hence if you try to analyse each and every pattern for the outcome, then you will get nothing other than a deadend. It follows random generation technique to give the outcomes according to my knowledge. Neither you, nor the casino can control the outcomes. So in order to win a match, you need to be extremely lucky. That is everything that you need in order to win a casino game.

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Quote from: Chato1977 on January 07, 2024, 08:21:15 PM

Quote from: un_rank on January 07, 2024, 11:00:22 AM

Theoretically, Yes you will be able to predict and win all games.
Practically, it is next to impossible to hack the algorithm and if someone succeeded to do so, the system will detect the pattern and lock you out.

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Completely correct , the system will surely detect those who have been closer to their algorithm and yes will either locked or banned your account confiscating your funds , Gambling sites now are aware of either cheating or taking deep into their Algo so it will trigger the alarm and the team will confront or declare against your account.

Lucky for you if make it out before the system took action , but normally you will not because Gambling site is money making machine to favor the team and owner , and not the players.

Well, I don't think the account itself will suffer from the banning or locked account because an algorithm is a set of finite rules or instructions to be followed in calculations or other problem-solving operations, meaning this algorithm is being used for the gambling games to generate the winning number or winning choices, so if you can access the website and its system, then you can access the system that is generating the algorithm combination for the gambling games, and you can always win 100%. Of course, if you are smart, you will not use your account, right? What may go wrong if, for example, the system or the website itself notices that you are always winning? Then they will go suspicious and investigate the case.
Technology is powerful; if you can locate the vulnerability of a website, you can access its system, and the favour will be in your hands, but there is a greater risk for that, and as we know, it is illegal. If you are caught hacking their system, then it's a sentence for you.

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Quote from: un_rank on January 07, 2024, 11:00:22 AM

Theoretically, Yes you will be able to predict and win all games.
Practically, it is next to impossible to hack the algorithm and if someone succeeded to do so, the system will detect the pattern and lock you out.

- Jay -

Completely correct , the system will surely detect those who have been closer to their algorithm and yes will either locked or banned your account confiscating your funds , Gambling sites now are aware of either cheating or taking deep into their Algo so it will trigger the alarm and the team will confront or declare against your account.

Lucky for you if make it out before the system took action , but normally you will not because Gambling site is money making machine to favor the team and owner , and not the players.

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You might be able to guess the game's outcome if you can predict the algorithm when playing at an online casino. But it's important to remember that online casinos might employ advanced encryption technology along with random number generators to guarantee fair gameplay and prohibit players from guessing the results of any given game. It won't be simple either since, as I'm sure you know, there are advanced security systems in place to track player behavior and, of course, they can identify any suspicious activity occurring in your account.
You have no match for them because the house is always in the favor and will ensure that you do not win more than you can afford to.

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Quote from: Bill buffalo on January 07, 2024, 10:18:56 AM

Theoretically speaking if you could predict the algorithm in an online casino wouldn't you be able to predict the game and win a lot let's just say you had access to the algorithm and you were able to replicate it you would practically be able to win all the games

Algorithms for them are too random for anyone to crack. At least that's what i have been told. However, there was a case in Finland where man found a way to cheat with physical slot games, and no one seems to know how he did it. Article is only in finnish so maybe you have automatic translation:
https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/mies-keksi-keinon-huijata-veikkauksen-pelikoneita-pumppasi-kasinolta-33-000-euroa-konsti-on-yha-mysteeri-kaikille/8638254#gs.3adxiw

Personally i feel that if someone actually managed to crack the code, they should get to keep the winnings, as it's the slot provider's job to make algorithm less predictable. But then again i don't know if he used some electronic devices to disturb the machines. Article says that he just recorded the games with his phone before he started winning, and that police knows cases where criminal groups have cracked pseudorandom number generator algorithms before.

So i guess at least in the past there has been a change for that.

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Quote from: Bill buffalo on January 07, 2024, 10:18:56 AM

Theoretically speaking if you could predict the algorithm in an online casino wouldn't you be able to predict the game and win a lot let's just say you had access to the algorithm and you were able to replicate it you would practically be able to win all the games

I believe you have many misconceptions about how gambling is supposed to work. You may have already an idea on how it does in the real world, by the use of machines and mechanisms like roulettes and dices which help to generate results which are very difficult to guess by any player, those are generators or entropy, physical ones.
In the caso of the online casinos, you cannot cheat by "knowing the algorithm", because that algorithm itself does not pick the results, what it does is to use some source of entropy to generate random numbers which then are used to get a result on the display on the user who is gambling.

You are implying gambling is something which is already pre-set or pre-destined by a program, but that is not how it works, it would be rather fishy and unfair if so. If you have an advice, I would tell you to read hot random number generators work and their application on gambling, you will learn a lot, I am sure of it.

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I guess it depends on whether the casino is being fair or not. If they've got some provably fair algorithm that uses random numbers to decide each game, then nope - no way to beat that. The whole point of RNGs is that the results are impossible to predict.

But yeah, if the casino is shady and messes with the outcomes, then sure maybe their algorithm or whatever could be analyzed to figure out a winning strategy. Like if they just re-use certain sequences of random numbers, then you could spot the pattern. That's why the legit places make a big deal about being provably fair - it proves the games aren't rigged.

As long as its truly random each time, there's no beating it through math or anything. You might get lucky for a bit, but probability always catches up in the end. Unless you count card in blackjack - that's using your brain rather than an algorithm! But they'll kick you out quick if you get too good at it.

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Quote from: Bill buffalo on January 07, 2024, 10:18:56 AM

Theoretically speaking if you could predict the algorithm in an online casino wouldn't you be able to predict the game and win a lot let's just say you had access to the algorithm and you were able to replicate it you would practically be able to win all the games

Predicting the algorithm? You will get nothing even if you knew it's algorithm, casino algo doesn't work like 1+1=2 that you can predict the outcome. Even casino can't tell the specific outcome of the bet if rolled. Because it uses random numbers using cryptography.
The only way you can do something like that is if you find a bug and abuse it, but don't expect it could be that easy because you will be in trouble later on.

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Predicting the algorithm and winning is really tough, and very few might have succeeded in the past. Nowadays, things are much more advanced, and the technological advancement never lets the gamblers find an opportunity to win out of the mistakes at the casinos. I've come across the story of a gambler The professor who beat roulette who had collected data and won in roulette in different casinos. Before the usage of algorithms, he studied the wear and tear of machines and made a fortune. Some casinos banned him from gambling.

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Don't the algorithms and formulas used by casinos use random (or pseudo) numbers? Even if you knew the algorithm, as long as you can't find that key number that lets you discover the result, it doesn't matter if you had the algorithm or not. It probably increases your chances of being able to guess a game though by brute forcing it across x number of games, but it's not necessarily a guarantee to winning one. Otherwise devs or anyone who knew the algorithm would have quite the field day for it.

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Quote from: Bill buffalo on January 07, 2024, 10:18:56 AM

Theoretically speaking if you could predict the algorithm in an online casino wouldn't you be able to predict the game and win a lot let's just say you had access to the algorithm and you were able to replicate it you would practically be able to win all the games

This could be possible theoretically, but in reality its hard to know the algorithm and many are still struggling to get a win because the house will always win. Imagine if all gamblers know how to beat the house then for sure there will be no casinos anymore as they will go bankrupt by paying every gamblers who hit the jackpot, so let’s be more realistic here.

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Quote from: Bill buffalo on January 07, 2024, 10:18:56 AM

Theoretically speaking if you could predict the algorithm in an online casino wouldn't you be able to predict the game and win a lot let's just say you had access to the algorithm and you were able to replicate it you would practically be able to win all the games

It's easier said than done, that's the reality.

You know that these casinos are doing their own business and they have all the measures to counter anything that goes against their fairness for their players.

Naturally, they always the have edge against their players but if they've seen some players that have been constantly winning and that doesn't go according to their normal process then you know what's coming next.

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Quote from: Bill buffalo on January 07, 2024, 10:18:56 AM

Theoretically speaking if you could predict the algorithm in an online casino wouldn't you be able to predict the game and win a lot let's just say you had access to the algorithm and you were able to replicate it you would practically be able to win all the games

In theory, everything is possible! In practice, the casino team would catch you and very likely confiscate your entire bankroll... so it's best to be a fair player and not risk being accused of fraud.

Casinos can have bugs that can be exploited, but instead of cheating the casino and risking your deposits that can be confiscated you can try to report it and you can get a fair reward. Good luck!

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Quote from: Bill buffalo on January 07, 2024, 10:18:56 AM

Theoretically speaking if you could predict the algorithm in an online casino wouldn't you be able to predict the game and win a lot let's just say you had access to the algorithm and you were able to replicate it you would practically be able to win all the games

Because this is just theoretical thinking and not reality it will not be possible. There are many things that if theoretically they can be determined, then it means that gambling would no longer be unpredictable, but we know that that does not happen and that would not happen anytime soon. Even if you manage to get your hands on the algorithm in an online casino, I am sure that it will be changed or updated on the notice that too many people are winning through it or a particular gambler like you is recording a series of successive wins without any losses.

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Quote from: Bill buffalo on January 07, 2024, 10:18:56 AM

Theoretically speaking if you could predict the algorithm in an online casino wouldn't you be able to predict the game and win a lot let's just say you had access to the algorithm and you were able to replicate it you would practically be able to win all the games

Theoretically speaking even if we know the algorithm it is hard to predict the outcome of the game due to the result is random. I do not heard anyone who can precisely tell the result of the game even if they knew about the algorithm of that game. It is because it was created to have a random result, the algorithm itself can't detect what would be the next random thing, it is like drawing a raffle that although we know the list of number inside the drawbox, we still can't tell what number will be picked next.

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