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July 31, 2017, 06:03:09 PM
Addiction wont really have an exception and anytime it would really possibly hit you easily which means if a certain person do really have a strong mind set-up and knowing the risk of gambling then it would say that hes less prone on addiction which is good. Superstitions stuffs might give you some confidence but giving you the wrong mindset onwards specially when you push it up hard that it would work.
If you have a strong will, you will never get addicted to gambling or any type of things that would make it unnecessary in your life. There are things that are good to be addicted at like learning new stuff and studying but there are only a number of people (in a circle of friends) that are like that. It's just that as long as we're not stepping on somebody, it will be fine. Gambling is okay, just not too much that you forget your responsibilities and don't rely on superstitions.
i think very little people have the well to stop gambling at all. and specially if they are making money there. i also think that those people who have become addicted to gambling they also find it hard to stop playing gambling. they want to continue gambling and make more and more money as they can. but i think very little number of people can become so lucky to make money from there.
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July 31, 2017, 12:38:23 PM
I do not wear the same clothes every time play Cheesy, I just sit where I won a lot Wink.Seating is the key to my victory The most powerful thing to bring treasure inside a casino to me is black coffee,Coffee brings a big winning passion. (Coffee and seating)

So its still superstition? Well black coffee to stay awake and maybe the seating position you are referring to? Of course we can't really wear the same clothes every time we play, most probably the color like red. But for me I still think that superstitions believed will not change the outcome of the game. Its still based on luck and not amount of believed or shaman will not influence the result of every game.

Right, even if I grow up in a country where superstitions are normal and is being applied always, I do not think that it will affect the game. Lucky shirts, lucky numbers, lucky spots and etc. I don’t believe in that because there are gambling games being played using analysis and strategies which will depend on the knowledge of the player with the game.

Anyways, we can all play differently according to where we are comfortable and at ease. What matters the most is the amount of money that we put on stake hoping to win.
legendary
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July 31, 2017, 11:40:59 AM
I believe in different superstitions about gambling and I think it's better to play in the clothes in which there was once a big win or to have some talisman to attract luck.

its possible too. especially the Chinese they tend to wear something that they believe could attract luck and make them luckier in whatever they do.. maybe chinese gamblers are also practicing this until now.

This could really work, or just because of our luck we will win our games. In my place, people will sit one place and play card games that place is their lucky place. Few friends are there they will win most of the times if they in that place. So they prefer only that place to play card games. Like that in your condition, the dress code also helps people to win money in gambling. This looks funny, but it works. 
You would really say that thing works if luck is on your side together the same time on doing your beliefs which you would say that you will do such thing on another day on playing gambling. I will bet that you will still lose up even if you are on the lucky position which you strongly believe. This beliefs might somehow boost up self confidence but the fact on increasing chances of winning is really impossible.
It doesn't have anything to do with you winning or having luck at your side but it does have a positive effect on a person's thinking. That perhaps is already luck for someone. Being able to believe that a chant or amulet or certain routine will improve your chances, it makes gambling quite a bit more fun.
yeah fun , people just don't think about how superstition make the game become so fun more than when you didn't use any superstition things. they just care about how to win , win and win . and it's sounds like an addict right? calm down yourself and think freshly . gamble in massive way won't earn you good things.
Only enjoyment we can get on gambling, when we win then that's a gift or extra reward but don't expect it to happen everytime you play, better play with your friendsto make it more fun and challenging.
ideally people should treat gambling with that way, but in the real situation people don't care anymore about having fun , and focus on how to recover what they have lost (if lose of course) and keep playing to earn more (if won it) human nature would takeover yourself . with superstition in your game you have fun actually at first time , just how you finished things up.
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July 31, 2017, 11:12:17 AM
Yes, I do believe in superstition and it worked allot of times for me. There will be hints on the time of betting or gambling like small changes in the daily routine.
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July 31, 2017, 10:45:17 AM
Addiction wont really have an exception and anytime it would really possibly hit you easily which means if a certain person do really have a strong mind set-up and knowing the risk of gambling then it would say that hes less prone on addiction which is good. Superstitions stuffs might give you some confidence but giving you the wrong mindset onwards specially when you push it up hard that it would work.
If you have a strong will, you will never get addicted to gambling or any type of things that would make it unnecessary in your life. There are things that are good to be addicted at like learning new stuff and studying but there are only a number of people (in a circle of friends) that are like that. It's just that as long as we're not stepping on somebody, it will be fine. Gambling is okay, just not too much that you forget your responsibilities and don't rely on superstitions.
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July 31, 2017, 10:41:03 AM
I believe in different superstitions about gambling and I think it's better to play in the clothes in which there was once a big win or to have some talisman to attract luck.

its possible too. especially the Chinese they tend to wear something that they believe could attract luck and make them luckier in whatever they do.. maybe chinese gamblers are also practicing this until now.

This could really work, or just because of our luck we will win our games. In my place, people will sit one place and play card games that place is their lucky place. Few friends are there they will win most of the times if they in that place. So they prefer only that place to play card games. Like that in your condition, the dress code also helps people to win money in gambling. This looks funny, but it works. 
You would really say that thing works if luck is on your side together the same time on doing your beliefs which you would say that you will do such thing on another day on playing gambling. I will bet that you will still lose up even if you are on the lucky position which you strongly believe. This beliefs might somehow boost up self confidence but the fact on increasing chances of winning is really impossible.
It doesn't have anything to do with you winning or having luck at your side but it does have a positive effect on a person's thinking. That perhaps is already luck for someone. Being able to believe that a chant or amulet or certain routine will improve your chances, it makes gambling quite a bit more fun.
yeah fun , people just don't think about how superstition make the game become so fun more than when you didn't use any superstition things. they just care about how to win , win and win . and it's sounds like an addict right? calm down yourself and think freshly . gamble in massive way won't earn you good things.
Only enjoyment we can get on gambling, when we win then that's a gift or extra reward but don't expect it to happen everytime you play, better play with your friendsto make it more fun and challenging.

I think you can have your enjoyment when your friends are around, but when you are alone, you will just be getting depression and addiction. Most of the gamblers that plays with their friends tend to gamble for fun or experience, most of the gamblers that play online or offline alone play for profit, but unluckily, they always lose their mone.
I would say it would be just the same on which in the end addiction would really still come into oneself together with your friend to whom you are with on playing gambling. Lets say its enjoyable but you wont realize that gambling is gradually  eating you up to go on addiction.The same story on playing alone and with be on your friends but the thing that is good on having friends is that you can share up your sad times or frustrations or depression to your friends which is good to ease that feeling.
Absolutely! Gambling is something highly destructive in nature. The worst thing about gambling is that it makes you addicted to betting on your money even if you are losing continuously. Whether you play alone or with friends, it negativity does not decreases. I will suggest him to quit gambling as soon as possible.

Addiction wont really have an exception and anytime it would really possibly hit you easily which means if a certain person do really have a strong mind set-up and knowing the risk of gambling then it would say that hes less prone on addiction which is good. Superstitions stuffs might give you some confidence but giving you the wrong mindset onwards specially when you push it up hard that it would work.
legendary
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July 30, 2017, 05:38:26 PM
I do not wear the same clothes every time play Cheesy, I just sit where I won a lot Wink.Seating is the key to my victory The most powerful thing to bring treasure inside a casino to me is black coffee,Coffee brings a big winning passion. (Coffee and seating)

So its still superstition? Well black coffee to stay awake and maybe the seating position you are referring to? Of course we can't really wear the same clothes every time we play, most probably the color like red. But for me I still think that superstitions believed will not change the outcome of the game. Its still based on luck and not amount of believed or shaman will not influence the result of every game.

Ya it is upto the users luck position it works if it is working good for you with coffee and seating position then it is good but dont think that this superstition will work for long because luck always change so the position also, my suggestion is that when the same setting work for some time and when you start loosing then better change the position or just leave betting for some time or days and then come back fresh with same or another position to play and win. This way if you play you will be in profit.
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July 30, 2017, 04:40:52 PM
I do not wear the same clothes every time play Cheesy, I just sit where I won a lot Wink.Seating is the key to my victory The most powerful thing to bring treasure inside a casino to me is black coffee,Coffee brings a big winning passion. (Coffee and seating)

So its still superstition? Well black coffee to stay awake and maybe the seating position you are referring to? Of course we can't really wear the same clothes every time we play, most probably the color like red. But for me I still think that superstitions believed will not change the outcome of the game. Its still based on luck and not amount of believed or shaman will not influence the result of every game.
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July 30, 2017, 04:34:08 PM
I believe in different superstitions about gambling and I think it's better to play in the clothes in which there was once a big win or to have some talisman to attract luck.

its possible too. especially the Chinese they tend to wear something that they believe could attract luck and make them luckier in whatever they do.. maybe chinese gamblers are also practicing this until now.

This could really work, or just because of our luck we will win our games. In my place, people will sit one place and play card games that place is their lucky place. Few friends are there they will win most of the times if they in that place. So they prefer only that place to play card games. Like that in your condition, the dress code also helps people to win money in gambling. This looks funny, but it works. 
You would really say that thing works if luck is on your side together the same time on doing your beliefs which you would say that you will do such thing on another day on playing gambling. I will bet that you will still lose up even if you are on the lucky position which you strongly believe. This beliefs might somehow boost up self confidence but the fact on increasing chances of winning is really impossible.
It doesn't have anything to do with you winning or having luck at your side but it does have a positive effect on a person's thinking. That perhaps is already luck for someone. Being able to believe that a chant or amulet or certain routine will improve your chances, it makes gambling quite a bit more fun.
yeah fun , people just don't think about how superstition make the game become so fun more than when you didn't use any superstition things. they just care about how to win , win and win . and it's sounds like an addict right? calm down yourself and think freshly . gamble in massive way won't earn you good things.
Only enjoyment we can get on gambling, when we win then that's a gift or extra reward but don't expect it to happen everytime you play, better play with your friendsto make it more fun and challenging.

I think you can have your enjoyment when your friends are around, but when you are alone, you will just be getting depression and addiction. Most of the gamblers that plays with their friends tend to gamble for fun or experience, most of the gamblers that play online or offline alone play for profit, but unluckily, they always lose their mone.
I would say it would be just the same on which in the end addiction would really still come into oneself together with your friend to whom you are with on playing gambling. Lets say its enjoyable but you wont realize that gambling is gradually  eating you up to go on addiction.The same story on playing alone and with be on your friends but the thing that is good on having friends is that you can share up your sad times or frustrations or depression to your friends which is good to ease that feeling.
Absolutely! Gambling is something highly destructive in nature. The worst thing about gambling is that it makes you addicted to betting on your money even if you are losing continuously. Whether you play alone or with friends, it negativity does not decreases. I will suggest him to quit gambling as soon as possible.
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July 30, 2017, 09:10:22 AM
I believe in different superstitions about gambling and I think it's better to play in the clothes in which there was once a big win or to have some talisman to attract luck.

its possible too. especially the Chinese they tend to wear something that they believe could attract luck and make them luckier in whatever they do.. maybe chinese gamblers are also practicing this until now.

This could really work, or just because of our luck we will win our games. In my place, people will sit one place and play card games that place is their lucky place. Few friends are there they will win most of the times if they in that place. So they prefer only that place to play card games. Like that in your condition, the dress code also helps people to win money in gambling. This looks funny, but it works. 
You would really say that thing works if luck is on your side together the same time on doing your beliefs which you would say that you will do such thing on another day on playing gambling. I will bet that you will still lose up even if you are on the lucky position which you strongly believe. This beliefs might somehow boost up self confidence but the fact on increasing chances of winning is really impossible.
It doesn't have anything to do with you winning or having luck at your side but it does have a positive effect on a person's thinking. That perhaps is already luck for someone. Being able to believe that a chant or amulet or certain routine will improve your chances, it makes gambling quite a bit more fun.
yeah fun , people just don't think about how superstition make the game become so fun more than when you didn't use any superstition things. they just care about how to win , win and win . and it's sounds like an addict right? calm down yourself and think freshly . gamble in massive way won't earn you good things.
Only enjoyment we can get on gambling, when we win then that's a gift or extra reward but don't expect it to happen everytime you play, better play with your friendsto make it more fun and challenging.

I think you can have your enjoyment when your friends are around, but when you are alone, you will just be getting depression and addiction. Most of the gamblers that plays with their friends tend to gamble for fun or experience, most of the gamblers that play online or offline alone play for profit, but unluckily, they always lose their mone.
I would say it would be just the same on which in the end addiction would really still come into oneself together with your friend to whom you are with on playing gambling. Lets say its enjoyable but you wont realize that gambling is gradually  eating you up to go on addiction.The same story on playing alone and with be on your friends but the thing that is good on having friends is that you can share up your sad times or frustrations or depression to your friends which is good to ease that feeling.
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July 30, 2017, 01:59:06 AM
I do not wear the same clothes every time play Cheesy, I just sit where I won a lot Wink.Seating is the key to my victory The most powerful thing to bring treasure inside a casino to me is black coffee,Coffee brings a big winning passion. (Coffee and seating)
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July 30, 2017, 01:17:42 AM
People are naive, and they always seeking for an cheap and understandable reason, instead to try to figure it out math behind whole life and universe. There is no God, Luck, even emotions are just chemicals in our brain. Neglecting facts we actually support stupidity, our insecurities are made by lack of knowledge.

Well even superstitions does not depend on God.
Math and science cannot understand or can't figure out the math behind the whole life and universe and this is beyond our league. Even the fish don't know that there is a water and hes just living in the great ocean thinking that the ocean is their world and the surface above is the space which they will die if they go beyond that and we humans are the same. The math and science behind the universe is beyond or grasp of understanding. The rolls and actions of billions are unpredictable. The barnacles in the ship also cant comprehend the complexity of the ship but they are enjoying the ride there and we are enjoying the earth too. The great question about God is something that we cant comprehend but if we follow the flow of rules of science there is always someone or something greater. And its a fact.
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July 30, 2017, 12:36:22 AM
Superstition is just a kind of suggestive nature, owned by some gamblers who have an anxious nature in his heart, this is the same as in online games where we get the power of every item used. This is not wrong but we better apply more lifestyle by using logic. The worst effects of luck like superstition will make a person go mad.

It's like a modern tradition that we believe it's true. But in gambling it's not the same from those traditions because we are the one to play for our money and not our destiny or belief. If we are lucky then we are and it will reflect as we gamble because we'll win with any game that we chose to gamble.
Its is on our belief because it is all our mind belief is the one that might be a superstition or not , But in playing gambling i think superstition is almost play an important role on us we only don't knew it because its not a big factor in our mind. As you said we are the one who plays and make our own result or destiny and not gambling or any superstition.
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July 30, 2017, 12:29:27 AM
Anybody who makes any kind of major decision based on a superstitious belief, rather than relying upon reasoning and logic, is making a big mistake.  If they are playing a game, or they're just having fun, then it can't hurt.  But, gambling away much needed money based on superstition is absolutely irresponsible.

I respect those gamblers that thinks they are lucky because of what they do and believes in superstitions. We can't blame them, I was one of them before but you are right, they are making a big mistake it's either they really don't know that there's logic and it's just a coincidence that they've won.

There is nothing we can do but respect other people, if we laugh at them, they may feel offended and may start an unpleasant stuff between you and that person.  Eventhough we both agree that superstition is just some mind stuff, we all fall to this kind of thing.  I do have superstition before but then I just laugh at myself whenever I think of it today.

I also confirm with that and with modern age today, superstitions linked to gambling references was just a mythical beliefs inherited from other gamblers family line. There was no mere fact proven to those superstitions who happen not legit to acquire truth to some who believes it as help to them in winning. But the actual scenario doesn't provide any advantages here and worst is very frustrating to the gamblers who loses more money
Since long time ago i think superstition has nothing to do with the outcome.
People just looking for something to blame in case they are suffering lost !
They never accept the fact , that's why. Soundslike ridiculous isn't it?

Or maybe they find something odd or good when they wear or do something before gambling and then they concluded that it has an effect when you gamble. But, we all know that superstitions don't have any scientific explanation so the good thing to do is not believe in them, unless your culture was tend to believe in such information.
People just too frustated , they want to always win no matter what.
So they act such as a crazy guy that losing mind , believing on something that doesn't makes sense and consider it as a big factor.
Noone can help you to change the outcome , nothing can change it . Just let your luck decide about it.

I believe luck does not exist, luck itself is a superstition/fallacy.   In gambling there is no such thing as luck in scientific explanation.  Same goes with superstition, we tend to say that it is not true because there is no scientific explanation  behind it.   I wonder why majority of us are in selective mode.  We do not believe in superstition because there is no science behind it but believe in luck even though there is also no science behind it.  GAmbling is all chance or probability.
Depending on how rigorous you want to be, it can easily be argued that science in itself is a superstition. In fact it can be proven mathematically that all of science could just be a mere coincidence, simply due to the fact that science uses statistical methods, which de facto can not produce any absolute facts.
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July 28, 2017, 01:28:27 AM
Superstition is just a kind of suggestive nature, owned by some gamblers who have an anxious nature in his heart, this is the same as in online games where we get the power of every item used. This is not wrong but we better apply more lifestyle by using logic. The worst effects of luck like superstition will make a person go mad.

It's like a modern tradition that we believe it's true. But in gambling it's not the same from those traditions because we are the one to play for our money and not our destiny or belief. If we are lucky then we are and it will reflect as we gamble because we'll win with any game that we chose to gamble.
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July 28, 2017, 01:09:23 AM
Anybody who makes any kind of major decision based on a superstitious belief, rather than relying upon reasoning and logic, is making a big mistake.  If they are playing a game, or they're just having fun, then it can't hurt.  But, gambling away much needed money based on superstition is absolutely irresponsible.

I respect those gamblers that thinks they are lucky because of what they do and believes in superstitions. We can't blame them, I was one of them before but you are right, they are making a big mistake it's either they really don't know that there's logic and it's just a coincidence that they've won.

There is nothing we can do but respect other people, if we laugh at them, they may feel offended and may start an unpleasant stuff between you and that person.  Eventhough we both agree that superstition is just some mind stuff, we all fall to this kind of thing.  I do have superstition before but then I just laugh at myself whenever I think of it today.

I also confirm with that and with modern age today, superstitions linked to gambling references was just a mythical beliefs inherited from other gamblers family line. There was no mere fact proven to those superstitions who happen not legit to acquire truth to some who believes it as help to them in winning. But the actual scenario doesn't provide any advantages here and worst is very frustrating to the gamblers who loses more money
Since long time ago i think superstition has nothing to do with the outcome.
People just looking for something to blame in case they are suffering lost !
They never accept the fact , that's why. Soundslike ridiculous isn't it?

Or maybe they find something odd or good when they wear or do something before gambling and then they concluded that it has an effect when you gamble. But, we all know that superstitions don't have any scientific explanation so the good thing to do is not believe in them, unless your culture was tend to believe in such information.
People just too frustated , they want to always win no matter what.
So they act such as a crazy guy that losing mind , believing on something that doesn't makes sense and consider it as a big factor.
Noone can help you to change the outcome , nothing can change it . Just let your luck decide about it.

I believe luck does not exist, luck itself is a superstition/fallacy.   In gambling there is no such thing as luck in scientific explanation.  Same goes with superstition, we tend to say that it is not true because there is no scientific explanation  behind it.   I wonder why majority of us are in selective mode.  We do not believe in superstition because there is no science behind it but believe in luck even though there is also no science behind it.  GAmbling is all chance or probability.
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July 27, 2017, 11:59:26 PM
Anybody who makes any kind of major decision based on a superstitious belief, rather than relying upon reasoning and logic, is making a big mistake.  If they are playing a game, or they're just having fun, then it can't hurt.  But, gambling away much needed money based on superstition is absolutely irresponsible.

I respect those gamblers that thinks they are lucky because of what they do and believes in superstitions. We can't blame them, I was one of them before but you are right, they are making a big mistake it's either they really don't know that there's logic and it's just a coincidence that they've won.

There is nothing we can do but respect other people, if we laugh at them, they may feel offended and may start an unpleasant stuff between you and that person.  Eventhough we both agree that superstition is just some mind stuff, we all fall to this kind of thing.  I do have superstition before but then I just laugh at myself whenever I think of it today.

I also confirm with that and with modern age today, superstitions linked to gambling references was just a mythical beliefs inherited from other gamblers family line. There was no mere fact proven to those superstitions who happen not legit to acquire truth to some who believes it as help to them in winning. But the actual scenario doesn't provide any advantages here and worst is very frustrating to the gamblers who loses more money
Since long time ago i think superstition has nothing to do with the outcome.
People just looking for something to blame in case they are suffering lost !
They never accept the fact , that's why. Soundslike ridiculous isn't it?

Or maybe they find something odd or good when they wear or do something before gambling and then they concluded that it has an effect when you gamble. But, we all know that superstitions don't have any scientific explanation so the good thing to do is not believe in them, unless your culture was tend to believe in such information.
People just too frustated , they want to always win no matter what.
So they act such as a crazy guy that losing mind , believing on something that doesn't makes sense and consider it as a big factor.
Noone can help you to change the outcome , nothing can change it . Just let your luck decide about it.
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July 26, 2017, 05:48:40 PM
Anybody who makes any kind of major decision based on a superstitious belief, rather than relying upon reasoning and logic, is making a big mistake.  If they are playing a game, or they're just having fun, then it can't hurt.  But, gambling away much needed money based on superstition is absolutely irresponsible.

I respect those gamblers that thinks they are lucky because of what they do and believes in superstitions. We can't blame them, I was one of them before but you are right, they are making a big mistake it's either they really don't know that there's logic and it's just a coincidence that they've won.

There is nothing we can do but respect other people, if we laugh at them, they may feel offended and may start an unpleasant stuff between you and that person.  Eventhough we both agree that superstition is just some mind stuff, we all fall to this kind of thing.  I do have superstition before but then I just laugh at myself whenever I think of it today.

I also confirm with that and with modern age today, superstitions linked to gambling references was just a mythical beliefs inherited from other gamblers family line. There was no mere fact proven to those superstitions who happen not legit to acquire truth to some who believes it as help to them in winning. But the actual scenario doesn't provide any advantages here and worst is very frustrating to the gamblers who loses more money
Since long time ago i think superstition has nothing to do with the outcome.
People just looking for something to blame in case they are suffering lost !
They never accept the fact , that's why. Soundslike ridiculous isn't it?

Or maybe they find something odd or good when they wear or do something before gambling and then they concluded that it has an effect when you gamble. But, we all know that superstitions don't have any scientific explanation so the good thing to do is not believe in them, unless your culture was tend to believe in such information.
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July 26, 2017, 05:47:18 PM
Superstition is just a kind of suggestive nature, owned by some gamblers who have an anxious nature in his heart, this is the same as in online games where we get the power of every item used. This is not wrong but we better apply more lifestyle by using logic. The worst effects of luck like superstition will make a person go mad.
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July 26, 2017, 05:27:54 PM
Anybody who makes any kind of major decision based on a superstitious belief, rather than relying upon reasoning and logic, is making a big mistake.  If they are playing a game, or they're just having fun, then it can't hurt.  But, gambling away much needed money based on superstition is absolutely irresponsible.

I respect those gamblers that thinks they are lucky because of what they do and believes in superstitions. We can't blame them, I was one of them before but you are right, they are making a big mistake it's either they really don't know that there's logic and it's just a coincidence that they've won.

There is nothing we can do but respect other people, if we laugh at them, they may feel offended and may start an unpleasant stuff between you and that person.  Eventhough we both agree that superstition is just some mind stuff, we all fall to this kind of thing.  I do have superstition before but then I just laugh at myself whenever I think of it today.

I also confirm with that and with modern age today, superstitions linked to gambling references was just a mythical beliefs inherited from other gamblers family line. There was no mere fact proven to those superstitions who happen not legit to acquire truth to some who believes it as help to them in winning. But the actual scenario doesn't provide any advantages here and worst is very frustrating to the gamblers who loses more money
Since long time ago i think superstition has nothing to do with the outcome.
People just looking for something to blame in case they are suffering lost !
They never accept the fact , that's why. Soundslike ridiculous isn't it?
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