Topic: Gambling Casinos with Online and Offline version, Are they the same? - page 4. (Read 536 times)

Any casino can have both online and physical gambling site, this does not make a difference in them, just as the way an organization can appear in their unique global appearance with a particular website domain address and still have another base on the country they are being situation, just as you've made an example from your illustration OP, another good example is the Binance exchange, they have the global and US Binance, so are some of these gambling platforms they are mostly thesame except if the hackers cloned their website version or domain name to scam people.

Hahahahahahahaha..!!! Exactly!
He actually meant to say "casino houses" but then, we all understood the massage behind the information he conveyed..

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I think all of the casinos you mentioned isn't sharing any domian maintenance and operators.. 1xbit is managed by a different set of malicious techs and it obviously has a different brand name from 1xbet.. you can't expect peeps to condemn them for whatever atrocities ixbit has committed over the years now...

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Im having ton the same thoughts on which they might really be just that similar on name but those domain names differences is really that noticeable or something that needs to watch out.
Nothing is confirmed for them to be on the same ownership not unless if there would really be some formal or official announcement that they are operating both offline and online
but if we cant really be able to see such thing then it is really that safe to assume that they are owned by different individuals. Names could really be named the same
but there would really be those slight letter differences or whatsoever. There might be similar on some time but making some indepth research would be the key
if you are really trying to dig up something.

This is why we have to do our own research first before you gamble on any site just to be sure that you are dealing with the best site and not taking the risk of getting scam. Didn’t know how the offline gambling works in a world of crypto where its totally online, I’m really curious about this one. Having that offline version seems alarming to me and I’m not ok with it honestly especially if the site is still new and can’t be trusted.

Both posibilties are quite reasonable, if you asked me. If an offline casinos wanted to expand their operations in the realm of online gambling, then it would make sense they would try to hire some personnel to handler the online version, while the usual personnel takes care of the offline version, it is always possible to hire the wrong people who may end up sinking the reputation of the online version beyond redemption.
It is also possible those online versions were conceived from the begginning as a tool to selectively scam clients and gamblers who live overseas and hence, cannot do much about the scam. That would be something done by the casino to survive by stealing funds under a different name, while keeping their original brand somewhat intact, during periods of times when the business is not doing good.

One is fiat, and the other is crypto casino... There are fiat land-based casinos with their internet version, at least in my country almost all land-based casinos have their online version and they are pretty much the same, but of course, that online version has more slot & live games, but when it comes to sports markets they are the same, with same odds. I noticed that online versions offer some nice bonuses, but that is probably to attract more people.

As far as I know, there is still no land-based crypto casino, at least not fully crypto. I guess there are land-based casinos that accept crypto, but that's not the same. Maybe Stake (as one of the biggest probably) will build one in the near future.

Perspective plays a huge role in this. Online and offline versions of platforms are one and the same, with the same values and mode of operation, what changes is the customers and how they perceive the platform.

- Physical players will attribute majority of any issue they face to the short comings of the staff they meet at the outlet and less to the general company itself, but in the online version it is all targeted to the business.

- Also, it is difficult to carry out routine scams like defaulting on payment in a physical outlet, cause the customer is there in person, but online is more complicated. The team can block them out and ask customer care to keep repeating the same generic text to them till they get tired.

- Lastly, this forum is not the standard for online perception. 1xbet and 1xBit has a bad rep here, but the rest of the internet does not really care for what they do.

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Fivestar4everMVP, you should take a break from bitcointalk

Nah, to be honest I think almost the same way as you do, but in terms of online vs real life (I still have a shred of sanity left, but not much).

Now that you talk about 1xbit/1xbet, taking into account their reputation here, I was surprised to see that they have ads in top crypto services like coinmarketcap or myetherwallet. I still talking about the online version, but regardless their reputation in the forum, it seems that there are still some doubts about their legitimacy or such platforms wouldn't advertise them. Or most probably these platforms are simply sold to the highest bidder.

And now you tell us that in your country they have physical locations too where people can gamble? Now you have completely surprised me. Who knows, it might be true that they are changing their modus operandi. There's no need to be shady when the legal business is good...

I think OP has a confusion, if you have a casino with a restricted area that doesn't mean it's offline.

Some casinos need to make some mirrors with small changes based on the local laws, and a good example of this is stake.com and stake.us. Since US users can't play on the dot com site they have their own version, which is like a clone or a mirror of the original but with a little twist in the Terms Of Service.

I’ve never heard the term offline casino before. I was wondering how an online casino could have an offline version but it seems as though you’re talking about an actual casino that exists physically. Very weird to refer to it as an offline casino. I think you may be spending a little too much time behind a computer if you refer to normal things in your life as the offline versions.

From my what I knew the 1xbet thing you mentioned above must be the same company.
On certain countries the casinos (online) using agents to promote their service, here is how it works:
The agent must deposit some money, for example $10k and they will be given limited access to the casino backoffice to handle anyone who registered under the agent.
The user can pay with cash or bank transfer to the agent and he/she will credit it manually, same method with withdrawal.
The user will be given a username and password to access the platform and if the user doesnt have a smartphone then they only need to call the agent or meet face to face to check the odds and place the bets.
The agent will get commissions from any bets (no matter win or lose) made by everyone under his referrals also the agent has a privilege to become "a house" for any users under him (share profits/loss with the casino).
There will be no KYC for the users with this method, however rogue agents can runaway with the users money and the casino will be not responsible for that.

These might be the answer why 1xbet is popular there while in here the platform famous as a scam platform, any issue with the platform will be taking care by the agents.
The platform will not dare to confiscated any money including the users deposit/balance under the agent, maybe they will only void the bet if they think the games are rigged or the user abuse it.

It has already been proven in the forum, and I think I have also read about it aside from this forum that both casinos are owned and managed by the same individuals, which many times the 1Xbit itself has proven to be a scam casino in here due to the many unresolved issues they have here.
 
In the aspect of betting with them in their offline shop, you are not the only one who has had experience with them. Many of my friends bet in their physical shop, and even on the 1xBet online betting sites, they have been winning and losing just as they experience in other casinos, and there has not been any issue of withdrawal problems or account closure issues. This experience has been brought here to the forum before, and someone confirmed that they were close to someone who won close to $40k in local currency and were able to withdraw it.
 
What I just believe is that most of these casinos have different representatives in different countries, and different licencing licences are being governed by them. Maybe the person in charge of the one in our locality still wants to maintain a good reputation, and it could also be possible that the casino active here can just be a partnership where someone else is completely in control of it and the main team might have nothing to do with it.

Just to mention a justification for the fact that 1xbet has similar to 1xbit operators,  because recently 1xbet has been called out by some Nigerians who won 80 million nairas and 1xbet blatantly refuses to pay them their winning, this is the same pattern being used by both casin which justify to that fact.

But on the bet king's situation,  I haven't really been following up with the casino here in the online community,  although the casino is quite popular here in the local region.

So apart from the information that betking.com and betking.io are not the same, the reason I want to adduce to the difference between offline casinos or game house and online casino in terms of reputation is that offline casino is quite physical and the owner might even be seen on the streets or the resident is a public secret. Therefore, the proximity is there and he could probably be lynched by aggrieved addict  . So they always would keep their game on top notch unlike online casino that remedy at worst scenario would be a court adjudication.

Personally, I completely understand this, and I believe that any one who have spent atleast one year online should already know this as well that, some scammers are so talented to the extent that they can clone an entire website and make it look exactly like the original one, the only place there will be some kind of difference is in the link, that is the url, which they will also try as much as possible to make it look like exactly the original one, but there will always be a letter difference, which sometimes is usually hard to notice, except the user pays a very close attention.

However, what we are discussing is quite different from this, it's like a company that is operating online and offline, but people trust and patronize the said company offline, meanwhile, on their online version, they are seen or perceived as scammers.
This is what we are discussing exactly.

I was thinking about it to be a casino owned by two different people but possibly they must have registered and paid to have the name in their favor as it is a popular casino that is well known in the gambling industry. The casino might likely varies in terms of administration and management activities because the both team experience in managing both  casinos also varies in different perspective as they are coming form both dimension and engagement. Looking at the both services, the online casino might have lapses with some aspect of the casino which would warrant uproars and definitely affect the casino as it is a virtual or digitally managed while the offline casino is more of the physical bet office very close to the people and are swift to responding to the complaint of their clients which is very much complex with the online casino. I think these few points are valid to go with.

I'm not sure if betking.io used betking.com's reputation.

betking.com might be an established casino in nigeria but as it goes with many such businesses, they've optimized their services to this country's audience mostly.
I browse online casinos daily and never happened to come across betking.com. Most probably that's because it's a casino specific to Nigeria. For casinos that seek out national licenses it's almost a must to actually optimize their services to the country they're holding the license at, so it doesn't surprise me.

From this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59824374
1xbet and 1xbet are owned by the same individuals or organization. This is because both websites use the same IP addresses and they both use the same wallet. There is no information to determine if these casinos are managed by different people but that might be the case.

It might also be true that 1xbet was mismanaged which led to the decline of its reputation. It is easier to scam people in online casinos than in its offline version. Government regulations and policies and the casino's physical presence will make offline casinos up and running. They will do everything possible to make the business work because some person can be held responsible for their failure.

Yes, I sure confused both, and this is because I actually have always thought that both are the same, and operated under the same management, just getting to learn now that they are both different gambling companies.

And this prompted me to do a small research on both, and I now discovered that betking.com was registered in 2001 and is highly trusted, while betking.io was registered in 2015, and is with a bad reputation in terms of trust, which means, betking.io management probably used the good reputation of betking.com to scam people who must have (like myself) believe that they are the same company and invested in them.

It's all becoming clear to me now, never knew that it was possible for two different companies to register under the same domain name with different extension.

IMO, even they're provided offline service.

If the service came from the same provider/company, off course they're same. But, If you asking from different company/casino comparing to (Online Casino A x Offline Casino B) you are gonna to get a different things.

So, same casino = same
different casino = different