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As I see it, modern parents find it more profitable to look for those responsible for not being able to educate/give the necessary knowledge to their child. I wonder if they ever thought it was their responsibility? Infantile people annoy me because they end up making everyone else uncomfortable.

Different times maybe different parenting styles applied by parents to their children, as in today modern era, many parents consider nurses or maids to be an alternative to raising their children, so that without them realizing it, children will slowly grow up without having emotional closeness or empathy for their own parents, besides that I do not agree with what you say about alternative education, indeed schools are needed to teach children to find their identity but parents have full responsibility to educate children and in my opinion if people Parents themselves not have concern in educating children, so how can we expect other people/nurses or teachers maybe?

If I remember correctly what I am writing, then I did not write anything about alternative education Grin

When I talk about raising kids, I'm not talking about homeschooling. The school gives knowledge, and parents should give a sense of responsibility and common sense. On the other hand, how can I want this when even adults make mistakes and then blame anyone but themselves Grin

But in any case, you can not indulge in such behavior - if you lost money in gambling, then you are to blame, if you overeat, then you are to blame again and not the food industry.

That's nice logic. Grin

If you become obese, don't blame McDonald's. Something like that. So yes, the discipline comes from the person himself. And maybe, who he is today is partly owed to the kind of family he grew up with. So somehow, the parents or guardians have influence on the personality of the individual. But later on in our life, as we become adults, we will have our own realizations in life and from that point, we should know how to change our path if we want to truly change our lifestyle. It is not because of your parents or your siblings anymore. Because it is your life that is in question here, whether you will live to what you used to be or change for the better? You are now old enough to know which one is best for you.

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Government is after tax and didn’t whether it will affect their people’s living. Sure, they have laws prohibiting some occurrences but we didn’t know if it’s really implemented. Once gamblers become addicted, there are private medication centers that will be costly to enroll or to get in to finish the treatment. There are no support that can be given by the government unless one will commit themselves as addicted and will ask for therapies.

There are countries where their government is very worried about their citizens. And that includes the gambling habit of their people, whether teenagers or adults.

Maybe in general there really is no support because of what we've been able to see with our governments.

But there could be those countries that are too caring with their citizens and they're giving the help and aid that those addicted gamblers needed just like the special attention that they need.

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Quote from: DU18 on March 08, 2022, 12:01:18 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on March 08, 2022, 11:03:56 AM

As I see it, modern parents find it more profitable to look for those responsible for not being able to educate/give the necessary knowledge to their child. I wonder if they ever thought it was their responsibility? Infantile people annoy me because they end up making everyone else uncomfortable.

Different times maybe different parenting styles applied by parents to their children, as in today modern era, many parents consider nurses or maids to be an alternative to raising their children, so that without them realizing it, children will slowly grow up without having emotional closeness or empathy for their own parents, besides that I do not agree with what you say about alternative education, indeed schools are needed to teach children to find their identity but parents have full responsibility to educate children and in my opinion if people Parents themselves not have concern in educating children, so how can we expect other people/nurses or teachers maybe?

If I remember correctly what I am writing, then I did not write anything about alternative education Grin

When I talk about raising kids, I'm not talking about homeschooling. The school gives knowledge, and parents should give a sense of responsibility and common sense. On the other hand, how can I want this when even adults make mistakes and then blame anyone but themselves Grin

But in any case, you can not indulge in such behavior - if you lost money in gambling, then you are to blame, if you overeat, then you are to blame again and not the food industry.

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Quote from: Cling18 on March 08, 2022, 10:09:29 AM

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Unfortunately, our government doesn't have any program to help people who are experiencing gambling addiction but they're supporting huge gambling businesses because they are benefiting from it. In our country, if you won't help yourself out, you'll totally ruin your life in gambling because we couldn't expect help from the government. Gambling companies here are being run by politicians so they prefer more people that would fall for gambling more.

Government is after tax and didn’t whether it will affect their people’s living. Sure, they have laws prohibiting some occurrences but we didn’t know if it’s really implemented. Once gamblers become addicted, there are private medication centers that will be costly to enroll or to get in to finish the treatment. There are no support that can be given by the government unless one will commit themselves as addicted and will ask for therapies.

They would only put focus or response into those situations that is already making up some noise but considering that not all addicted person would tell or share out their problems then it is not really
that rampant to be seen these kind of situations and its true that government wouldnt really be exchanging out huge tax revenues for some several people who had been looking for some addiction
help.So its better not to think about help or something like that because it would less likely to happen.No one would able to help yourself but only you.

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Quote from: Renampun on March 07, 2022, 05:03:54 PM

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Addiction is addiction, it doesn't matter what it is as long as you can't control yourself or stop from keep doing the same routine then you really need help. Medications aren't enough itself if you, yourself won't help to change or cope up what's best and what is bad for you.

The government might be trying their best to help those in trouble but for some countries like the third world countries, there isn't enough people who could afford to go and ask for their help when all they could offer in exchange is nothing. Except for the self-awareness that they were fucked up.

those who do not have self-awareness, their whole life will be very chaotic...

only yourself must be fully responsible for what you do, you can't blame others for what happened to you, gambling addiction occurs because you don't realize that you have a big responsibility towards yourself. those who do not have a sense of responsibility towards themselves will only bring misery to their personal and family lives. Don't expect the government to treat your addiction in full, they won't be fully responsible for it, they just do what they're told.

Of course, they were just following orders because it's their work, they shouldn't be in that kind of work if they don't treat their patient who has a problem. They exist because of people who has a problem in addiction and if they don't treat well their patient how would their patient heal?

It may be their problem once they were addicted but casinos should stop and help people who's in trouble because of them that's why most people are having an addiction problem. And it's a long story if we trace the source of all evil thing that causes the problem. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Maus0728 on March 08, 2022, 09:49:55 AM

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Similar to this one..

- https://www.reddit.com/r/problemgambling/comments/743aaf/gambling_addict_life_is_over/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Reading that person's experiences would actually make you believe that the only solution for all the problems that piled up due to excessive gambling is "death". Well, It's not about being morbid but it's just because death is the only solution you see for all of the shit that's happening on your life.

This so-called solution is actually running away from problems, running away from taking responsibility for your actions! And in this story, it is clear that the boy is under a lot of pressure, instead of facing the problem and trying to solve the problem, he decides to surrender! That probably seems like the easiest and best choice! Choosing to fight and survive is the one that is hard or can be, for sure it's not the same for everyone!

Quote from: Maus0728 on March 08, 2022, 09:49:55 AM

Also, while there are some empirical studies that suggests cognitive-behavioral therapy[1] are that ones that produces promising result in gambling addiction, I still believe that having a community where people can freely discuss their gambling issues without prejudice are some of the alternatives people can lean on.

[1] https://journals.lww.com/co-psychiatry/Abstract/2021/09000/Treatment_of_gambling_disorder__review_of.11.aspx

Nothing without a strong community and good people! I totally agree with this! A man must have someone to talk to when it is difficult, that there are people around him who will understand him without any prejudices, people with whom he will be able to engage in other activities, if there isn't that then that man probably has no way out of a desperate situation of any kind!

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Quote from: iv4n on March 08, 2022, 09:21:14 AM

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Weak people do not gamble. I disagree weak people gamble. People who have daring nature and are ready to take risks gamble. They can withstand the rush of adrenal in the body as well which a weak person won’t.

You don't know how weak/strong you are until you get into a situation that will require you to show it! As I side, some people overestimate their possibilities and they get into the problem! Some manage to deal with that, some don't! But it's the point where can be seen how weak/strong you really are, just under a pressure!

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In the first place, the parents are responsible to guide their children to make a proper knowledge what are the things right and wrong, we cannot blame the government because the child get addicted the education start first in their house that's way better to educate their children first but at that rate of addiction and the parent's can't hold any more they can seek help for the government for like a physiatrist but if the child can handle the gambling things and can earn through this a good factor but still need to be guided.

As I see it, modern parents find it more profitable to look for those responsible for not being able to educate/give the necessary knowledge to their child. I wonder if they ever thought it was their responsibility? Infantile people annoy me because they end up making everyone else uncomfortable.

Different times maybe different parenting styles applied by parents to their children, as in today modern era, many parents consider nurses or maids to be an alternative to raising their children, so that without them realizing it, children will slowly grow up without having emotional closeness or empathy for their own parents, besides that I do not agree with what you say about alternative education, indeed schools are needed to teach children to find their identity but parents have full responsibility to educate children and in my opinion if people Parents themselves not have concern in educating children, so how can we expect other people/nurses or teachers maybe?

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Quote from: fiulpro on March 07, 2022, 10:31:57 AM

Do you think the laws needs improvement?
Do you think as the parents mentioned that Gambling industry has a *predatory* stance, is true?

I guess there's nothing to improve, gambling addiction is the fault of the gamblers, it's not the operators. If they allow the liquor producer and people get addicted to liquor, would that mean the production should be stopped? of course NO!

If the number of cases in a particular place or country that's the time that the government might take an action but if just a few counts or does not trigger the whole community itself there's no need for the government presence instead the relatives or any people on that environment of the person is the responsible to make sure their companion are still in a good health or not already addicted.

I believe there is, and that people are aware of it as well. According to what I've heard from other countries about gambling addiction, most people who are diagnosed with it will be prescribed medication, which will be provided by private doctors and will cost you money. I'm not sure if the government will be providing assistance, as I haven't heard of them providing assistance for this type of need. Those who are in desperate need of help will usually seek treatment from mental health professionals. Hoping for some kind of clarification from the government on this policy, as well as any kind of assistance for those who require medication attention due to addiction.

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 08, 2022, 11:03:56 AM

Quote from: Peanutswar on March 08, 2022, 12:05:13 AM

In the first place, the parents are responsible to guide their children to make a proper knowledge what are the things right and wrong, we cannot blame the government because the child get addicted the education start first in their house that's way better to educate their children first but at that rate of addiction and the parent's can't hold any more they can seek help for the government for like a physiatrist but if the child can handle the gambling things and can earn through this a good factor but still need to be guided.

As I see it, modern parents find it more profitable to look for those responsible for not being able to educate/give the necessary knowledge to their child. I wonder if they ever thought it was their responsibility? Infantile people annoy me because they end up making everyone else uncomfortable.

I know what you mean. Many parents nowadays do not properly educate their children. However, this is the reason why there should be some alternative education coming from the public institutions, mainly in school.
There is practically no legal requirement for having children, which is why often irresponsible people end up with a high number of them unfortunately.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on March 08, 2022, 12:05:13 AM

In the first place, the parents are responsible to guide their children to make a proper knowledge what are the things right and wrong, we cannot blame the government because the child get addicted the education start first in their house that's way better to educate their children first but at that rate of addiction and the parent's can't hold any more they can seek help for the government for like a physiatrist but if the child can handle the gambling things and can earn through this a good factor but still need to be guided.

As I see it, modern parents find it more profitable to look for those responsible for not being able to educate/give the necessary knowledge to their child. I wonder if they ever thought it was their responsibility? Infantile people annoy me because they end up making everyone else uncomfortable.

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Quote from: iv4n on March 08, 2022, 09:21:14 AM

Some people are just weak ... I don't think it can be described otherwise! And so weak they get into something they can't control which eats them in the end! This guy who killed himself because of gambling just couldn't stand the pressure, if it wasn't for gambling something else would probably have happened to him! When you are weak, you have to be more careful, to be more careful with the choice of activities! If this is not the case, something like this will happen, and there are many such cases!
We all face various good and bad things all our lives and sooner or later each of us gets into a situation of trying to take a too big bite! Whether we will survive or whether it will suffocate us depends on many factors! One thing is for sure, we learn from it and that's how we gain life experience!

I simply can't blame the game here, it is what it is! It is up to us to take care of ourselves and to know our possibilities! When this is not taken into account, when someone goes beyond the limits of possibility the problems will arise, sooner or later, small or big ones!

Weak people do not gamble. I disagree weak people gamble. People who have daring nature and are ready to take risks gamble. They can withstand the rush of adrenal in the body as well which a weak person won’t.

Quote from: Cling18 on March 08, 2022, 10:09:29 AM

Unfortunately, our government doesn't have any program to help people who are experiencing gambling addiction but they're supporting huge gambling businesses because they are benefiting from it. In our country, if you won't help yourself out, you'll totally ruin your life in gambling because we couldn't expect help from the government. Gambling companies here are being run by politicians so they prefer more people that would fall for gambling more.

Gambling is banned in our county and you would not find any legal casino in our country. Because it is not appreciated in our culture as it’s a sin and would not bring any benefit.

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Quote from: fiulpro on March 07, 2022, 10:31:57 AM

I was going through my feed when I saw this article :
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181.amp

According to the article the parents of the 24 Year old teacher blamed inadequate Gambling treatment and medicines available right now, also improper assesment of Gambling disorder. Their son became an addict by using fixed odds at the age of 16-17 and ultimately his addiction spiralled out of control.

This made me go further in the article to find more about Gambling disorder, according to the current education, it's categorized under impulsive disorder, in the US they are actually treated with medicine like : Mood stabilizers, Opioids, antidepressants and antipsychotic pills.

Is your country doing enough to inform people about the disorder? It's does require medical treatment first and foremost therefore I do think I would suggest anyone banning their accounts and asking help from social platforms to go to a certified therapist. It's not a joke and should not be taken lightly.

Do you think the laws needs improvement?
Do you think as the parents mentioned that the Gambling industry has a *predatory* stance, is true?

Unfortunately, our government doesn't have any program to help people who are experiencing gambling addiction but they're supporting huge gambling businesses because they are benefiting from it. In our country, if you won't help yourself out, you'll totally ruin your life in gambling because we couldn't expect help from the government. Gambling companies here are being run by politicians so they prefer more people that would fall for gambling more.

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Quote from: iv4n on March 08, 2022, 09:21:14 AM

I simply can't blame the game here, it is what it is! It is up to us to take care of ourselves and to know our possibilities! When this is not taken into account, when someone goes beyond the limits of possibility the problems will arise, sooner or later, small or big ones!

Similar to this one..

- https://www.reddit.com/r/problemgambling/comments/743aaf/gambling_addict_life_is_over/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Reading that person's experiences would actually make you believe that the only solution for all the problems that piled up due to excessive gambling is "death". Well, It's not about being morbid but it's just because death is the only solution you see for all of the shit that's happening on your life.

Also, while there are some empirical studies that suggests cognitive-behavioral therapy[1] are that ones that produces promising result in gambling addiction, I still believe that having a community where people can freely discuss their gambling issues without prejudice are some of the alternatives people can lean on.

[1] https://journals.lww.com/co-psychiatry/Abstract/2021/09000/Treatment_of_gambling_disorder__review_of.11.aspx

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Quote from: fiulpro on March 07, 2022, 10:31:57 AM

This made me go further in the article to find more about Gambling disorder, according to the current education, it's categorized under impulsive disorder, in the US they are actually treated with medicine like : Mood stabilizers, Opioids, antidepressants and antipsychotic pills.

Disorder is what it is. It doesn't come because of gambling I think so. When a person brain malfunctions then it is a disorder and not necessarily because of gambling. There are factors that can expose someone to a disorder. Apart from gen that was inherited, factors like excessive smoking and consumption of hard drugs that are not recommended by physician can cause disorder. So gambling don't cause disorder but you can become an addict.

Some people are just weak ... I don't think it can be described otherwise! And so weak they get into something they can't control which eats them in the end! This guy who killed himself because of gambling just couldn't stand the pressure, if it wasn't for gambling something else would probably have happened to him! When you are weak, you have to be more careful, to be more careful with the choice of activities! If this is not the case, something like this will happen, and there are many such cases!
We all face various good and bad things all our lives and sooner or later each of us gets into a situation of trying to take a too big bite! Whether we will survive or whether it will suffocate us depends on many factors! One thing is for sure, we learn from it and that's how we gain life experience!

I simply can't blame the game here, it is what it is! It is up to us to take care of ourselves and to know our possibilities! When this is not taken into account, when someone goes beyond the limits of possibility the problems will arise, sooner or later, small or big ones!

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Quote from: fiulpro on March 07, 2022, 10:31:57 AM

Do you think the laws needs improvement?
Do you think as the parents mentioned that Gambling industry has a *predatory* stance, is true?

Yes, it really needs improvement but casinos are the government's cash cow and a goose that lays golden eggs they are not going to kill it or even restrict, the more people playing the more money comes in and the more tax they can squeeze on these casinos I believe it's predatory because newbies are coming to gambling without knowledge on how bad it is and how we should control ourselves, the government should step up and make sure that gambling is only for those who are looking for entertainment and actually playing to be entertained.

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Quote from: fiulpro on March 07, 2022, 10:31:57 AM

This made me go further in the article to find more about Gambling disorder, according to the current education, it's categorized under impulsive disorder, in the US they are actually treated with medicine like : Mood stabilizers, Opioids, antidepressants and antipsychotic pills.

Disorder is what it is. It doesn't come because of gambling I think so. When a person brain malfunctions then it is a disorder and not necessarily because of gambling. There are factors that can expose someone to a disorder. Apart from gen that was inherited, factors like excessive smoking and consumption of hard drugs that are not recommended by physician can cause disorder. So gambling don't cause disorder but you can become an addict.

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Quote from: fiulpro on March 07, 2022, 10:31:57 AM

Is your country doing enough to inform people about the disorder?

Do you think the laws needs improvement?
Do you think as the parents mentioned that Gambling industry has a *predatory* stance, is true?

I've seen more and more online casinos getting promoted in our country but there's barely any awareness about gambling addiction.

Imo change is inevitable so yes there's always room for improving the laws when it comes to gambling.

As to what the parents mentioned, it's definitely true but you can say the same thing for the other industries that causes addiction as the other guys above me already mentioned the other types of addiction which can also become life threatening when it gets out of hand.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on March 08, 2022, 07:01:25 AM

I think there are laws in every country regarding gambling but with gambling right now mostly online already because of the pandemic, I doubt that the government can make law improvements especially with the age limit that is allowed to gamble. Gambling can change your life positively or negatively and as an adult and as a gambler, we should know the consequences that gambling might give to us.

When it comes in online gambling, rules and laws are not that strict it my country as government where not yet able to provide a system or law that will focus on monitoring to strictly implement the existing laws for physical gambling into online. No matter how strict they are physically to stop gambling and avoid people to be addicted and experience gambling disorder it is now hard to monitors it online. They just somehow wait if there will be a report in their office for some complaints or report if there are people who still operates listed illegal gambling games listed in law thru online. If there is no report made people behind that is free to continue their operation.

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My country does not have laws protecting gambling addicts which are basically illegal, so no medication or drugs specifically for addicts are available in public places. Generally, regulated treatment is only obtained for gambling convicts (such as rehabilitation and counseling) while they are in prison where it is intended that they really stop gambling completely.
However, any type of treatment will not be able to help cure gambling addiction, it all depends on the individual's willingness to want to get out of their addiction. There's no one to blame.

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Quote from: fiulpro on March 07, 2022, 10:31:57 AM

Is your country doing enough to inform people about the disorder? It's does require medical treatment first and foremost therefore I do think I would suggest anyone banning their accounts and asking help from social platforms to go to a certified therapist. It's not a joke and should not be taken lightly.

I'm living in a developing country and this problem is not discussed openly or i think people/gamblers on my country could not even recognized that they have this problem.

I would agree that indeed this is a serious problem because i have seen it myself where a wealthy person goes broke because of uncontrolled gambling but treating persons involved is not even in their minds IMO.

Ironically, leaders of our country even encouraged us (though not openly) to gamble as gambling generates billions of pesos in a short period of time so i could say that every country differs their approach on this problem and this might not be a problem to some.

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