Topic: Gambling ombudsman - do you feel protected? (Read 584 times)
In fact, since entering gambling, I have often experienced problems with deposits and poor services by the operator. But so far for crypto gambling it's not that bad when it comes to casinos that provide fiat deposits. Since the Ombudsman may be more effectively used as an intermediary to report such acts, can gambling using fiat also be explicitly reprimanded by the Ombudsman?
Of course I would definitely be more comfortable playing knowing that I can contest my losses when I know and feel that there's some cheating behind the game although I feel that it's all just a dream because I am sure that contesting in real life is going to take a long time because there's investigations and some casinos might even do some intimidation or bribery to stop or collude the investigation.
Of course, who would not want protection, we want to lose fair and do not want to have a feeling that we've been cheated, it's better that we have a third-party mediator that will look at our case on who is right, people will play confidently and will wager more if they have a peace of mind playing, knowing that they are going to lose and win in a fair way, we are up to the mercy of the gambling site if they have a case against us.
And besides, the gambling site will have the seal of approval from the third party, that they are compliant.
It is better to know that there is a third party mediator that would going to foresee if there is a complaints in a one side party especially on a gamblers or players because sometimes the complaints of the gambler were being invalidated without a proper investigation on the said incidents. I think it could also give some sort of comfort for the player to gamble with a thought of a secureness when there's an unexpected foul play going around on the gambling site or gambling establishments. The more at peace the gambler or player the more a gambling site or gambling establishments could build a good reputation and more regulations means there are more guarantees for players.
More regulation means more guarantees for players.
Of course, direct communication with the ombusman in a particular jurisdiction will increase the guarantees and reduce the doubts of the end user. At least it will look like this.
yes, the thing is that its hard to regulate everything and sometimes making things more closed opens possibilities like incentives for bribing fiscals, etc...
anyways for gambling websites its usually better that they play it right and earn more on the long run than try to fool costumers
I think this question is two folds, for people who are not doing anything wrong and are playing in the bounds of the rules and regulations then they have nothing to be afraid of and I do think those people might have no probelms with it.
But when we are talking about the people who generally take privacy a lot more serious then for then this might be a really big problem and also there are people who try and do whatever they can to earn money which generally does not always involve being in rules and regulations so for them this question is atrocious.
For me, I personally don't mind as long as privacy is not compromised.
But when we are talking about the people who generally take privacy a lot more serious then for then this might be a really big problem and also there are people who try and do whatever they can to earn money which generally does not always involve being in rules and regulations so for them this question is atrocious.
For me, I personally don't mind as long as privacy is not compromised.
3- What happens if the casino claims something else and the player says something else because obviously data can be faked by the casino
4- A large number of fake complaints will pile up and take ages to solve them
This is indeed tricky and I do not know the one that exists but even if we have one, the authorities should have a means for them to operate that is fair to both parties, yes the case will pile up but they must have a means to check the allegations they are mandated to solve the case in a time that is satisfactory to both parties.
I love to see one so we'll know if it will suceed.
The thing is that in such a dispute the protection of the player by the authorities is practically not feasible, since if the state authorities are able to track transactions in the blockchain thanks to analytical blockchain services, all operations performed at the level of online casinos are not public and, therefore, can be changed at any time and it is impossible to prove it.
Absolutely correct.
That's why cryptocurrency is decentralized and the Government still can't regulates it because it's too hard for them to do so. So having an ombudsman in an online gambling for example is basically useless unless he can track those transactions and accurately judge who's transaction is this, something like that, if not, then what's the point. If you're a gambler, you should always take the full responsibility on your funds and how you play gambling to avoid consequences in the long run.
As users of gambling sites, we have to be careful and do our own research before committing our funds to a site. But no matter how much you dig around there is always a chance of being scammed or at least not being treated right by a service. I just read this article below on the need to have some short of protection or even a self regulation. Would you say that you would play more confidently if you knew that you can potentially have a claim if you think something is not right with the system or the decisions? How would that protection look like for you?
https://sbcnews.co.uk/europe/uk/2021/07/23/richard-hayler-ibas-the-ombudsman-from-abstract-concept-to-a-workable-reality/
https://sbcnews.co.uk/europe/uk/2021/07/23/richard-hayler-ibas-the-ombudsman-from-abstract-concept-to-a-workable-reality/
I don't like this approach. I assume that adults play gambling.
Adults are able to adequately assess risks. Adults are able to make informed decisions on their own. If there is a fact of fraud, then it is necessary to report to the police.
A gambling Ombudsman is not required. There is also no need to force online casinos towards self-regulatory organizations.
Such measures will lead to additional costs for online casinos. These costs will be compensated by the players themselves. Playing in online casinos will become less comfortable.
This is bad.
More regulation means more guarantees for players.
Of course, direct communication with the ombusman in a particular jurisdiction will increase the guarantees and reduce the doubts of the end user. At least it will look like this.
But you must not forget that the Ombudsman receives a salary like all other structures attached to him. The casino will clearly not pay for these regulations out of pocket, so all costs will go to the gamblers. Therefore, there is an insoluble problem - even an ideal regulation (if it can exist at all and not contradict the interests of the gambler) has drawbacks since it costs money and the gambler pays for it.
3- What happens if the casino claims something else and the player says something else because obviously data can be faked by the casino
4- A large number of fake complaints will pile up and take ages to solve them
This is indeed tricky and I do not know the one that exists but even if we have one, the authorities should have a means for them to operate that is fair to both parties, yes the case will pile up but they must have a means to check the allegations they are mandated to solve the case in a time that is satisfactory to both parties.
I love to see one so we'll know if it will suceed.
The thing is that in such a dispute the protection of the player by the authorities is practically not feasible, since if the state authorities are able to track transactions in the blockchain thanks to analytical blockchain services, all operations performed at the level of online casinos are not public and, therefore, can be changed at any time and it is impossible to prove it.
Of course, who would not want protection, we want to lose fair and do not want to have a feeling that we've been cheated, it's better that we have a third-party mediator that will look at our case on who is right, people will play confidently and will wager more if they have a peace of mind playing, knowing that they are going to lose and win in a fair way, we are up to the mercy of the gambling site if they have a case against us.
And besides, the gambling site will have the seal of approval from the third party, that they are compliant.
It is better to know that there is a third party mediator that would going to foresee if there is a complaints in a one side party especially on a gamblers or players because sometimes the complaints of the gambler were being invalidated without a proper investigation on the said incidents. I think it could also give some sort of comfort for the player to gamble with a thought of a secureness when there's an unexpected foul play going around on the gambling site or gambling establishments. The more at peace the gambler or player the more a gambling site or gambling establishments could build a good reputation and more regulations means there are more guarantees for players.
More regulation means more guarantees for players.
Of course, direct communication with the ombusman in a particular jurisdiction will increase the guarantees and reduce the doubts of the end user. At least it will look like this.
3- What happens if the casino claims something else and the player says something else because obviously data can be faked by the casino
4- A large number of fake complaints will pile up and take ages to solve them
This is indeed tricky and I do not know the one that exists but even if we have one, the authorities should have a means for them to operate that is fair to both parties, yes the case will pile up but they must have a means to check the allegations they are mandated to solve the case in a time that is satisfactory to both parties.
I love to see one so we'll know if it will suceed.
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There's nothing like good protection you know that when you have a valid complaint, there is an agency that will resolve it, even if it turns out not in your favor at least you have brought your case and fight for it, we have seen so many gambling sites that are losing their case because they are at the mercy of the gambling site, they decide what is fair, and you have no choice but to take whether you like it or not.
But what if you've invested your money in a site that doesn't care about its users and you didn't realize it because you didn't read the terms and conditions? It is not difficult to find a gambling site that, unless it has been established, will prosecute their cases; it is either illegal or not. My point is that we should only invest in the well-established ones, so that if we do have a case to fight, they will usually resolve it on their own, unless it is our fault.
Definitely not, to be honest.
These government bodies are moreso there for show than to actually protect players imho. When there is an actual issue with a crypto sportsbook or whatnot, do you really think they have the attention or the resources to track it down?
You're the only one that has the ultimate control over your consumer rights - so make sure you DYOR before you entrust a service with any amount of money.
These government bodies are moreso there for show than to actually protect players imho. When there is an actual issue with a crypto sportsbook or whatnot, do you really think they have the attention or the resources to track it down?
You're the only one that has the ultimate control over your consumer rights - so make sure you DYOR before you entrust a service with any amount of money.
As users of gambling sites, we have to be careful and do our own research before committing our funds to a site. But no matter how much you dig around there is always a chance of being scammed or at least not being treated right by a service. I just read this article below on the need to have some short of protection or even a self regulation. Would you say that you would play more confidently if you knew that you can potentially have a claim if you think something is not right with the system or the decisions? How would that protection look like for you?
https://sbcnews.co.uk/europe/uk/2021/07/23/richard-hayler-ibas-the-ombudsman-from-abstract-concept-to-a-workable-reality/
This will only bring another corrupt person to become Millionaire in short time .https://sbcnews.co.uk/europe/uk/2021/07/23/richard-hayler-ibas-the-ombudsman-from-abstract-concept-to-a-workable-reality/
Because we knew how gambling operates , and surely the under the table process will be active in this part again.
As users of gambling sites, we have to be careful and do our own research before committing our funds to a site. But no matter how much you dig around there is always a chance of being scammed or at least not being treated right by a service. I just read this article below on the need to have some short of protection or even a self regulation. Would you say that you would play more confidently if you knew that you can potentially have a claim if you think something is not right with the system or the decisions? How would that protection look like for you?
Of course, who would not want protection, we want to lose fair and do not want to have a feeling that we've been cheated, it's better that we have a third-party mediator that will look at our case on who is right, people will play confidently and will wager more if they have a peace of mind playing, knowing that they are going to lose and win in a fair way, we are up to the mercy of the gambling site if they have a case against us.
And besides, the gambling site will have the seal of approval from the third party, that they are compliant.
There's nothing like good protection you know that when you have a valid complaint, there is an agency that will resolve it, even if it turns out not in your favor at least you have brought your case and fight for it, we have seen so many gambling sites that are losing their case because they are at the mercy of the gambling site, they decide what is fair, and you have no choice but to take whether you like it or not.
But what if you've invested your money in a site that doesn't care about its users and you didn't realize it because you didn't read the terms and conditions? It is not difficult to find a gambling site that, unless it has been established, will prosecute their cases; it is either illegal or not. My point is that we should only invest in the well-established ones, so that if we do have a case to fight, they will usually resolve it on their own, unless it is our fault.
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The original idea behind cryptocurrencies was that it was impossible for any regulator to be involved in the process of buying and selling assets. That is why online casinos were happy to include support for cryptocurrencies. Currently, state-regulated casinos cannot provide the user with anonymity and security of their personal data. In addition, regulators cannot completely secure us from fraud. That is why I am against any regulation.
Crypto and online casinos are two different concepts.
Crypto itself is (for now) not regulated and you can freely send and receive coins without and disruptions unless you go through an exchange.
Online Casinos however usually don't operate on a blockchain and they have gambling licenses, paying taxes etc which ties them to a government. When you pay taxes to a government or do certain stuff to have a gambling license it means you have partners which you can't fire. Since you can't fire the government or your license provider, you will have to do what they ask from you.
As users of gambling sites, we have to be careful and do our own research before committing our funds to a site. But no matter how much you dig around there is always a chance of being scammed or at least not being treated right by a service. I just read this article below on the need to have some short of protection or even a self regulation. Would you say that you would play more confidently if you knew that you can potentially have a claim if you think something is not right with the system or the decisions? How would that protection look like for you?
https://sbcnews.co.uk/europe/uk/2021/07/23/richard-hayler-ibas-the-ombudsman-from-abstract-concept-to-a-workable-reality/
Not a bad idea but there will be some problems with an ombudsman put in place.https://sbcnews.co.uk/europe/uk/2021/07/23/richard-hayler-ibas-the-ombudsman-from-abstract-concept-to-a-workable-reality/
1- Not all casinos will agree to share information with the ombudsman.
2- The ombudsman might be operating legally for casinos from one country or few but how would you cover all the casinos
3- What happens if the casino claims something else and the player says something else because obviously data can be faked by the casino
4- A large number of fake complaints will pile up and take ages to solve them
There's nothing like good protection you know that when you have a valid complaint, there is an agency that will resolve it, even if it turns out not in your favor at least you have brought your case and fight for it, we have seen so many gambling sites that are losing their case because they are at the mercy of the gambling site, they decide what is fair, and you have no choice but to take whether you like it or not.
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