Gambling ombudsman - do you feel protected? - page 2.

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Quote from: madnessteat on July 30, 2021, 05:32:44 AM

Quote from: michellee on July 30, 2021, 05:08:26 AM

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The original idea behind cryptocurrencies was that it was impossible for any regulator to be involved in the process of buying and selling assets. That is why online casinos were happy to include support for cryptocurrencies. Currently, state-regulated casinos cannot provide the user with anonymity and security of their personal data. In addition, regulators cannot completely secure us from fraud. That is why I am against any regulation.

Yes, you are right. The online casinos will be far away from the regulations in one country and besides that, the casino can host their site out of the country's jurisdiction that prohibits or has strict rules for the casino. The casino will not have a problem with that to still protect their members by not requiring KYC for the members. The regulators should understand that and they can not force the online casino to follow or provide the data or whatever they want.

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Quote from: michellee on July 30, 2021, 05:08:26 AM

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The original idea behind cryptocurrencies was that it was impossible for any regulator to be involved in the process of buying and selling assets. That is why online casinos were happy to include support for cryptocurrencies. Currently, state-regulated casinos cannot provide the user with anonymity and security of their personal data. In addition, regulators cannot completely secure us from fraud. That is why I am against any regulation.

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on July 29, 2021, 12:14:14 PM

Quote from: Kakmakr on July 29, 2021, 07:22:43 AM

A lot of butt hurt gamblers that lost money, will lodge complaints with this so-called ombudsman and the complaints will pile up and it will take months to resolve some of these issues. Who will fund a gambling ombudsman to handle these complaints and will their jurisdiction cross country borders?

I am of the same opinion on this matter. It is much better to play at sites you have known and tested and that should usually be enough and from my personal experience, leaving apart a few selective scams most of them are quite good. I haven't been scammed by a casino yet so maybe I don't know the full story though.

I agree with @RealMalatesta say to play on the known gambling site that already proves it's a good gambling site than to play on an unknown gambling site that we do not have experience or others review. We will not have a bad experience and that will depend on good luck when we play on that site and if somehow, we lose, that will mean our luck is not coming to us.

If the ombudsman is running, I can not imagine how many cases they will solve and investigate and I think most cases can happen because of the gambler's mistake. But well, maybe in some countries, the ombudsman can be applied to reduce the number of people who get scam.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on July 29, 2021, 07:22:43 AM

What we need.. is someone reputable in the industry that can audit casinos independently to see if they are profitably fair.

You don't need an independent party to perform audits for provably fair because as a gambler you can verify your own bets quite easily and there are many provably fair tools online which will verify the result if you just enter the seeds which are revealed by the casino once you change the seed pairs.

Quote from: Kakmakr on July 29, 2021, 07:22:43 AM

A lot of butt hurt gamblers that lost money, will lodge complaints with this so-called ombudsman and the complaints will pile up and it will take months to resolve some of these issues. Who will fund a gambling ombudsman to handle these complaints and will their jurisdiction cross country borders?

I am of the same opinion on this matter. It is much better to play at sites you have known and tested and that should usually be enough and from my personal experience, leaving apart a few selective scams most of them are quite good. I haven't been scammed by a casino yet so maybe I don't know the full story though.

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Quote from: justdimin on July 29, 2021, 09:04:45 AM

Quote from: imstillthebest on July 29, 2021, 07:07:21 AM

theres also a topic before about gambling insurances i do feel that they work the same ?
im gonna love it if gambling work that way but there could be extra fees and if its regulated it means we are going to send some documents to them ,thats the only thing i dont like .
for now the best thing that i can do is to be extra careful when dealing on new gambling sites and not to deposit big or store funds in them for a long time .

You may be successful in avoiding the new sites but even the old and known casinos & sportsbooks are now asking for documents more often than. Earlier when these casinos first came, the regulations were loose and the casinos were allowing players to play anonymously and even access from banned countries but now the scenario has changed and it's not easy to play from restricted countries or play without KYC.

This is the reason that although I still play at crypto casinos but I am slowly moving back to the fiat ones because they were far superior in everything but anonymity and now that crypto casinos are more strict towards KYC, it makes no sense.

I think that once the business grows big they are now being required with those requirements and they are also afraid to loose their growing business so they have no choice but to comply with it but not all old sites are like but there are some left that operates without a kyc and If ever your affected much better if you move on to the other or move to fiat casinos when your not bothered of sending your kyc because they could offer more .

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Quote from: imstillthebest on July 29, 2021, 07:07:21 AM

theres also a topic before about gambling insurances i do feel that they work the same ?
im gonna love it if gambling work that way but there could be extra fees and if its regulated it means we are going to send some documents to them ,thats the only thing i dont like .
for now the best thing that i can do is to be extra careful when dealing on new gambling sites and not to deposit big or store funds in them for a long time .

You may be successful in avoiding the new sites but even the old and known casinos & sportsbooks are now asking for documents more often than. Earlier when these casinos first came, the regulations were loose and the casinos were allowing players to play anonymously and even access from banned countries but now the scenario has changed and it's not easy to play from restricted countries or play without KYC.

This is the reason that although I still play at crypto casinos but I am slowly moving back to the fiat ones because they were far superior in everything but anonymity and now that crypto casinos are more strict towards KYC, it makes no sense.

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Quote from: imstillthebest on July 29, 2021, 07:07:21 AM

theres also a topic before about gambling insurances i do feel that they work the same ?
im gonna love it if gambling work that way but there could be extra fees and if its regulated it means we are going to send some documents to them ,thats the only thing i dont like .
for now the best thing that i can do is to be extra careful when dealing on new gambling sites and not to deposit big or store funds in them for a long time .

that would be the only problem in this if implemented , surely there must be KYC needed if ever we have issue and complaints about the involving site.

and this sucks for sure.

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I really feel a Gambling ombudsman will be a waste of time, because this organization will only have jurisdiction over certain countries and most of these countries are already covered by their own laws. What we need.. is someone reputable in the industry that can audit casinos independently to see if they are profitably fair.

A lot of butt hurt gamblers that lost money, will lodge complaints with this so-called ombudsman and the complaints will pile up and it will take months to resolve some of these issues. Who will fund a gambling ombudsman to handle these complaints and will their jurisdiction cross country borders?

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theres also a topic before about gambling insurances i do feel that they work the same ?
im gonna love it if gambling work that way but there could be extra fees and if its regulated it means we are going to send some documents to them ,thats the only thing i dont like .
for now the best thing that i can do is to be extra careful when dealing on new gambling sites and not to deposit big or store funds in them for a long time .

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Quote from: iv4n on July 28, 2021, 04:01:25 AM

So someone said give me $1k and I will give $10k in a month!!! x10 in a month without any explanation?! I would say that something is wrong with this educational system, and for sure something is wrong with this "well-known, educated person from this story"!

Here on the forum, you learn that pretty quickly if it sounds too good it's a big red flag, be extra careful if you plan to try it, or even better just move away!

Like KTCChampions I don't see any good sides of this idea, just another office... maybe the current institutions should try to do a better job, they are paid for that! But I don't see that happening either, at least in my country!

I do believe that to be true almost all the time. If something is too good to be true then it is usually not true at all. I do believe that we should be focusing on what WE can do and not what others can do for us, that is a lot better approach to making money. I understand that 10x deal sounds very good for some people but most likely outcome will be losing all of your money anyway.

I feel like chat part of any casino is the worst part, you will see all kinds of people, racist people, bigotry, swear words, scammers and many things like that because there is no legal action on it anyway, so when you say bad things or try to scam people the worst you can get is a ban, and then you will end up with a good result anyway in the long run because you can start another account and try it again as well, which means eventually you will get one in your hooks.

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Have never felt protected in all my years of gambling online, to be honest, but then I never really put a lot of money down at unregulated casinos, (okay, except crypto dice and bankroll investments, but I've been pretty fortunate to never have been scammed).

Previous to crypto, I was using cards to deposit online so I always felt safe -- cards you just tell the bank what went wrong, and they always refund you, so I guess that's relying on consumer credit protection. And again here, I've never been scammed.

Sunday gambler of course, with hardly enough sums to raise eyebrows, so don't know if that's part of the reason?

The idea of a regulated mediator sounds cool. But please not game-protect style.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:54:53 AM

As users of gambling sites, we have to be careful and do our own research before committing our funds to a site. But no matter how much you dig around there is always a chance of being scammed or at least not being treated right by a service. I just read this article below on the need to have some short of protection or even a self regulation. Would you say that you would play more confidently if you knew that you can potentially have a claim if you think something is not right with the system or the decisions? How would that protection look like for you?

https://sbcnews.co.uk/europe/uk/2021/07/23/richard-hayler-ibas-the-ombudsman-from-abstract-concept-to-a-workable-reality/

He is right, many times we do not know whether to trust us or not, usually when they are casinos that take time just checking the reputation that has been marked by the members of the forum is enough for me, however here in the article they say something very interesting that I quote :

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Where that falls down is that the Commission does not investigate individual complaints and issue decisions on each. It uses complaints to guide its regulatory investigations but it never says “this person was treated unfairly and they should receive redress”. Taking a complaint to the Gambling Commission is unlikely to give any sense of closure to the complainant.

https://sbcnews.co.uk/europe/uk/2021/07/23/richard-hayler-ibas-the-ombudsman-from-abstract-concept-to-a-workable-reality/

The cases of people in particular should be taken into account, sometimes they do not give the required importance to special cases, I think this is where everything lies, and therefore at least in the forum when it comes to scammers here they are put in evidence.

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Should this be implemented on my country, I would be okay with it, though I must still observe due diligence so that I won't have to subject myself in the long and grueling process of awaiting verdict from such kinds of commissions or legal entities installed by the government for consumer safety. Though knowing that I don't change gambling platforms often, I think this wouldn't really matter much to me as a gambler, but it's still a relief to know that such commissions, persons, etc. exist to help with any complications they may be when it comes to the platform.

This will also aid those people looking to gamble on other places to assess and review them before depositing money and making their first bet.

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I feel quite safe because I do not gamble in new places that can turn out to be bad places. I have gambled in places we all know and love which means that I am doing fine and will probably keep doing fine as well. I have to say that if you are afraid of depositing money into a place, then you should probably not deposit money into that place.

Since this is not the topic of one casino I can give names, when you are gambling in the places like stake, sportsbet.io, freebitcoin, bustabit and few others like that you know that nothing will happen to your money which is why you do not have to worry about anything at all. I personally believe that we are doing fine by playing there. However if you insist on putting your money in some other place then you are going to have face the fact that there is a chance you could be scammed in that new place.

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Quote from: worle1bm on July 28, 2021, 10:00:09 AM

A coin will always have two sides as this regulated protection might provide cover to the gamblers if they have been cheated or been victim of fraud they can have some sort of guarantee that their funds are safe and they will get it if they submit report with valid proofs and some regulatory body intervention.But you might need to disclose all the information and they might have certain tax implications for the same.The annoymous players won't like it and they can have some issues with it.But still if their are regulations it can provide players freedom to gamble also.

I think those type of cases rarely happen between physical casinos since they have to undergo certain inspections and follow some guidelines the last thing they want to do is to make mistakes knowing it could put their business in danger. As long as you pick the right casinos and understand some of the rules they have then you shouldn't be having issues with your gambling activities. Having an extra layer of security is nice but I have to agree with the others an ombudsman isn't really needed I mean it's great if they could escalate some issues but imo it won't have that much impact since casinos have their own reasons whenever something goes wrong.

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For gamblers like me who do not gamble a lot, or risk a lot of money in gambling, this is not anymore necessary I feel that a regulated gambling industry will only eliminate the excitement, and it's even risky to submit for the KYC and let the government know that you are gambling.

Crypto casinos are popular because they are less regulated and gamblers like me get more entertainment than in fiat casinos where the government may anytime check your transactions.

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A coin will always have two sides as this regulated protection might provide cover to the gamblers if they have been cheated or been victim of fraud they can have some sort of guarantee that their funds are safe and they will get it if they submit report with valid proofs and some regulatory body intervention.But you might need to disclose all the information and they might have certain tax implications for the same.The annoymous players won't like it and they can have some issues with it.But still if their are regulations it can provide players freedom to gamble also.

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Gambling regulation has both positive and negative sides. As a supporter of anonymity I am not very interested in sharing my personal information with a casino or KYC provider just because I wanted to play some slots or poker. So I am more likely to give up any protection in favor of anonymity.

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I'm a gambler and if they can give me protection from being cheated from casinos and gambling sites I'm playing that will bring confidence to the casinos I'm playing online and offline, let's admit it, there are many complaints about gambling casinos online and offline about being shortchanged, an ombudsman will see to it that I will get a fair ruling if I file a complaint.

If the said ombudsman is truthful to his work then yeah let me support your post mate, because like you i wanted a support and security in all the gambling site i am playing. not mentioning the real casino that is also having issues nowadays.
but if this section will only be used to make gambling world looks fair but underneath is only making fool of gamblers? then let them go to hell and lets forget about this called ombudsman thing because this will only support the gambling magnet and not the players in reality.

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Quote from: peter0425 on July 28, 2021, 05:38:25 AM

Quote from: AicecreaME on July 27, 2021, 05:52:49 AM

Gambling ombudsman sounds good if they will play it fair and square, because there is a chance that they would always go for the gambling site or casinos instead of protecting the players because of money and power, if that's the case, then what's the point of having a Gambling ombudsman.
Therefore I don't think it's needed, because a good gambling sites and casinos will surely give you a good service for you to stick on their platform.

Sad but reality right? tons of money are involve in this and the gambling operator can offer amount that simple Ombudsman cannot resist lol.

Besides, an Ombudsman does not usually have much power. It is not like a judge or a minister. I don't know exactly how it will be in the UK but it is an administrative figure that receives complaints and processes them, then reporting to Parliament or political representatives. It may improve things somewhat but if there is abuse, it will not eliminate it 100%.

Another thing is, as mentioned, crypto houses that operate with licenses in tax havens and operate in the UK illegally. There as they do not block access from the UK, which I understand would depend on the police on the orders of the judges, the Ombudsman has little to do. I don't think there are many people foolish enough to file a complaint about a crypto casino confessing that he has been gambling illegally in the UK.

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