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September 22, 2021, 08:04:45 PM
Once you get enter into any gambling platform in online like this, whatever you stated here dude, for the bankroll owner of the gambling site there is no fair game play to each players to their platform whatever category of games it is. You just enumerate in which category is good to play for the players.
What do you mean by fair gameplay? If there were 50% chance winning chance splitted between players and casinos the gambling industry wouldn't exist anymore, because it wouldn't be sustainable. Games have to be profitable for the house owners, so they can maintain their activities, pay for their operational costs and make a living from it to keep offering this service to gamblers.
Actually, regardless skill or chance based games, both categories are profitable only for a small percentage of gamblers, for the reason mentioned above. While luck based games give equally winning chances for every players, skill based games give more chances only for the hardcore professional ones.
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September 22, 2021, 07:56:34 PM
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I know it, some beginners can have a bigger chance to win, but surely not all beginners. This cannot determine if beginners mostly have better luck, no research or data can explain it clearly. In my gambling history, I didn't think my luck was better once I was a beginner. I think there is no significant difference, what I feel is much better after I have more experience. Although winning luck-based games cannot rely on experience, having experience will be very helpful. At least, I know which one is better to choose, or a suitable game to play for me.

Maybe others are sticking with the idea of beginner's luck.

There's no Science or technical explanation regarding that, as expected, but sometimes it's effective. Been experienced that lots of times. That makes me think that in online casinos, some are program to make new accounts have a better RTP to experience a good payout. It's to give experience for those new gamblers as winning on early days of betting will result in long-run gambling.
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September 22, 2021, 07:17:51 PM
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I know it, some beginners can have a bigger chance to win, but surely not all beginners. This cannot determine if beginners mostly have better luck, no research or data can explain it clearly. In my gambling history, I didn't think my luck was better once I was a beginner. I think there is no significant difference, what I feel is much better after I have more experience. Although winning luck-based games cannot rely on experience, having experience will be very helpful. At least, I know which one is better to choose, or a suitable game to play for me.

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September 22, 2021, 06:10:56 PM
You should also add video poker to the skill based category.

I personally prefer chance based simply because I'm not expecting to profit whenever I bet.

If you are seriously wanting to make money out of gambling then you shouldn't even bat an eye on something like Slots, that has historically killed the bankrolls of many skilled players.
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September 22, 2021, 05:23:41 PM
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A better example is sports betting.

There's those luck based that you've mentioned such as dice and as well as roulette too. Poker is a combination of luck and skill? I think it's still mainly all about skills.
Nope, I don't think so, I think it's a combination of both even if it's mainly skill, I mean if you're against a player who's equally as good as you, you won't be relying on just skills because you're needing those probability in the cards to favor you.
Okay then so be it if that's what you think.

It already came from you if you're against with someone who's also good as you then whoever is better gets the win even there's the probability with the cards since both of you are also in the same shoe.
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September 22, 2021, 04:37:34 PM
Skill may be required for few cards game etc. But have seen many getting it by luck, at times some are betting say 1000x multiplier and results is 970x etc so close yet so far. If had a good luck could have made that cross 1000x under such circumstances skill is not much needed.

most games that we bet on need skills for the gambler to really have a good result and also, luck is another factor that can help in winning more than what we had imagine or could think. Luck had helped many gamblers to wi bets and at the same time they might lose it back if the fund is used to bet again making then lose on a bigger scale. Gambling is luck most times, and I know there is one or two time we had win bets with having any skill.
Excluding into those games which doesnt really need any skills like dice and roulettes on where you would really be needing for you to just simply roll the dice and wont do anything at all.
This is actually depending on someones  preference because not all is really really that interested when it comes to strategic kind of games.There are lots of games to choose from whether
you do feel to play that game or not on that particular games we do have our choice so this one would really be depending at all.
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September 22, 2021, 04:20:29 PM
Skill may be required for few cards game etc. But have seen many getting it by luck, at times some are betting say 1000x multiplier and results is 970x etc so close yet so far. If had a good luck could have made that cross 1000x under such circumstances skill is not much needed.

most games that we bet on need skills for the gambler to really have a good result and also, luck is another factor that can help in winning more than what we had imagine or could think. Luck had helped many gamblers to wi bets and at the same time they might lose it back if the fund is used to bet again making then lose on a bigger scale. Gambling is luck most times, and I know there is one or two time we had win bets with having any skill.
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September 22, 2021, 01:12:16 PM
Skill may be required for few cards game etc. But have seen many getting it by luck, at times some are betting say 1000x multiplier and results is 970x etc so close yet so far. If had a good luck could have made that cross 1000x under such circumstances skill is not much needed.
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September 22, 2021, 01:02:54 PM
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A better example is sports betting.

There's those luck based that you've mentioned such as dice and as well as roulette too. Poker is a combination of luck and skill? I think it's still mainly all about skills.
Nope, I don't think so, I think it's a combination of both even if it's mainly skill, I mean if you're against a player who's equally as good as you, you won't be relying on just skills because you're needing those probability in the cards to favor you.
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September 22, 2021, 12:04:39 PM
Sometimes, a beginner can have better luck than a regular gambler as they do not think about the game and only play based on their feelings.
Luck doesn't determine by your status as a newbie or experienced gambler. It is something unpredictable, it can happen to anyone, whether a newcomer or an experienced player. That's why we call it a "luck-based game", it doesn't require experience or certain knowledge to win it. If we can win it with certain tricks, we must call it a "skill-based game". For me, luck didn't always relate to feeling, if we are unlucky, our feeling cannot work well.  Cheesy
You can say that. But I still believe the beginners are lucky because many people who do not know about gambling can win the game without a problem and stop gambling with their money or product. But if they repeat it in the next days, that will not be their luck anymore because luck will move to the other people. Some people feel that this day, they can win based on their mood, but the fact is they will not win easily and even some of them are losing their money. Maybe you already heard about that Grin
there is what we called beginners luck and you believe on that didnt you ? obviously .
 i think your right with it because before when im new to gambling , i can win easily but later on i notice that winning is now getting harder  .  sometimes i think that the early wins are a bait for us to continue playing but some people will not try again after they win because they are scared to loose it . thats the mindset if your not a true gambler .
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September 22, 2021, 12:00:05 PM

You can say that. But I still believe the beginners are lucky because many people who do not know about gambling can win the game without a problem and stop gambling with their money or product. But if they repeat it in the next days, that will not be their luck anymore because luck will move to the other people. Some people feel that this day, they can win based on their mood, but the fact is they will not win easily and even some of them are losing their money. Maybe you already heard about that Grin

It's a myth and there's no data to back it up that if you are a newbie you will likely win, we are all in equal chances once we are in front of the dashboard, yes there's such a thing as beginner's luck, but you never know when it will strike on one beginner, it's not the rule it never the rule, I don't want to invite newbie to gamble and deposit more than they can because of his of chances as a beginner is good. 
While it is true that newbies can experiment good luck during their first few sessions at the same time you are right on the sense that no one can really know when this is going to happen, after all that is what luck is about, it is completely unpredictable, however it is also known that there are discrepancies on the short term when it comes to the actual results you get versus the probabilities to win, however if the person keeps gambling then it becomes inevitable that the probabilities and your actual results eventually match each other.
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As we are now under community quarantine because of this pandemic virus, we tend to play online games to lessen the boredom we feel at our home, so I wanna know your preference on choosing what gamble to play.

There are two types of gambling for me, the skill-based and the chance-based.
1. Skill-based - these are gambling that requires our skills and techniques for us to win, such as playing poker, betting on races, and playing blackjack but the odds of winning are still different for people and it is always in favor of the owner of the gambling.
Poker
Blackjack
Pai Gow
Texas Shootout
Horse Race Betting
Sports Betting
2. Chance-based - these are gambling that you will only wait for the result, you don't need to do something or to think so deep for you to win because all of you have an equal chance of winning such as roulette, lottery, and other gaming machines.
Casino games:

Slot machines
Progressive bonuses
Bingo
Roulette
Sic Bo
Baccarat

Lottery products:
50/50 raffles
Pull-tabs
Scratch’n win tickets
6/49
BC/49
Lotto Max
Keno
Pacific Hold’em
Source: https://www.bcresponsiblegambling.ca/understanding-gambling/types-gambling

For me, I will choose the skill-based gambling because I am not hoping for the luck of life, I want to take action to make my life great. It is still better to think logically and analytically at any time.

But if you are only a beginner, I think the chance-based gambling would be suitable for you, but do not stick only on that, you should improve yourself, acquire skills and knowledge through experience so you will be able to play skill-based gambling soon.

Once you get enter into any gambling platform in online like this, whatever you stated here dude, for the bankroll owner of the gambling site there is no fair game play to each players to their platform whatever category of games it is. You just enumerate in which category is good to play for the players.
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September 22, 2021, 09:16:51 AM
I think it all depends on people choices. Different people have the one that works for them. Employed or busy people would mostly prefer the chance-based game than the Skill-based. Prolly because they won’t be able to draft out time to learn the basis of skill-based games, how it works and maybe the new updates on that type of skill-based games. So they will always prefer the Chance-based games. Because in Chance -based games, your decision making prowess may only determine the outcome of the Bet but I don’t think it will determine whether you will win or lose. The part of you winning or losing is based on chance and it’s done by the machine. But I think Skill-based is better but if you can master the skills and techniques used in winning games, the you will surely have more win percent.

I agree that it all depends on people's choices but time is not a problem there. I don't see any connection that busy people will mostly prefer chance-based games. What's the advantage?

The choice will depend on how far that person is knowledgeable in a specific type of game whether it's luck-based or skill-based. Even how busy people are if they know how to play that specific skill-based game, they will choose to play on it. Or if some time that they don't feel playing at those, then they will switch to luck-based games.

The advantage is "relaxin your brain" with playing some lucky-based game and not thinking too much... after a long busy day! It's like that in my case, and in that time it's more likely I will choose to spin some slot, or play dices... usually, I will select a lower bet and just spin it, as I mentioned, without thinking too much, without forcing too much, just brain relaxation! When I have more free time I tend to play more seriously, I have fun with changing bets from lower to higher while chasing some big payouts!
Exactly my point. Normally every Gambler should have a knowledge about what type of betting he want to involve in, so there is no doubt that he or she is not grounded in betting. Since the outcome of a bet depends solely on the program setup and not on your selected mode. Chance-base is more preferable for busy people.  You will have time to attend to other things and just put little time on the gambling. Less stress and enough rest of mind. There would not be any be any stress trying to go through any manuals or practicing any form of gambling page in chanced-based gambling when you are a very busy person. You will just go to the bet and allow the chancing play for you.

I wanted to answer on question from "goinmerry"! And yes it's a point, you need to know about the game if you wish to play it, and for some games like poker, you need time as well! You can't think about playing a tournament if you don't have +2-3 hours free minimum! And it's for some ordinary tournaments without re-buys, add-ons, late registrations, in that case with all that tournaments can last a lot longer! One more thing is important, you are tied for the specific time of the game... it's not when you want to play it, it's when it's a designated time for that game you want to play...
While a few dice throws, or with slots few spins are fast, you can't play at any time, from anywhere... and you don't need to be too focused if you play with lower bets without big risks, it's just fun to steal some time or to move your mind from something!
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September 22, 2021, 07:25:15 AM
The advantage is "relaxin your brain" with playing some lucky-based game and not thinking too much... after a long busy day! It's like that in my case, and in that time it's more likely I will choose to spin some slot, or play dices... usually, I will select a lower bet and just spin it, as I mentioned, without thinking too much, without forcing too much, just brain relaxation! When I have more free time I tend to play more seriously, I have fun with changing bets from lower to higher while chasing some big payouts!
Exactly my point. Normally every Gambler should have a knowledge about what type of betting he want to involve in, so there is no doubt that he or she is not grounded in betting. Since the outcome of a bet depends solely on the program setup and not on your selected mode. Chance-base is more preferable for busy people.  You will have time to attend to other things and just put little time on the gambling. Less stress and enough rest of mind. There would not be any be any stress trying to go through any manuals or practicing any form of gambling page in chanced-based gambling when you are a very busy person. You will just go to the bet and allow the chancing play for you.
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September 22, 2021, 02:01:53 AM

You can say that. But I still believe the beginners are lucky because many people who do not know about gambling can win the game without a problem and stop gambling with their money or product. But if they repeat it in the next days, that will not be their luck anymore because luck will move to the other people. Some people feel that this day, they can win based on their mood, but the fact is they will not win easily and even some of them are losing their money. Maybe you already heard about that Grin

It's a myth and there's no data to back it up that if you are a newbie you will likely win, we are all in equal chances once we are in front of the dashboard, yes there's such a thing as beginner's luck, but you never know when it will strike on one beginner, it's not the rule it never the rule, I don't want to invite newbie to gamble and deposit more than they can because of his of chances as a beginner is good. 
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September 22, 2021, 12:17:02 AM
Sometimes, a beginner can have better luck than a regular gambler as they do not think about the game and only play based on their feelings.
Luck doesn't determine by your status as a newbie or experienced gambler. It is something unpredictable, it can happen to anyone, whether a newcomer or an experienced player. That's why we call it a "luck-based game", it doesn't require experience or certain knowledge to win it. If we can win it with certain tricks, we must call it a "skill-based game". For me, luck didn't always relate to feeling, if we are unlucky, our feeling cannot work well.  Cheesy
You can say that. But I still believe the beginners are lucky because many people who do not know about gambling can win the game without a problem and stop gambling with their money or product. But if they repeat it in the next days, that will not be their luck anymore because luck will move to the other people. Some people feel that this day, they can win based on their mood, but the fact is they will not win easily and even some of them are losing their money. Maybe you already heard about that Grin
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September 21, 2021, 07:37:37 PM
Chance based for a beginner is a disaster waiting to happen, remember that beginner's luck can happen and we know what happens after that, losses after losses because they want to replicate their win,
We all have the same chances, beginners or not, we can't measure how lucky a person is and if it's going to be with luck-based or even with skill-based.

skill based should be the go to because you're more likely to win there since miracles don't happen often.
It's common that there's also an association with luck even if you play the skill-based games but it's mostly relying to how skilled you are including the decisions you do.
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September 21, 2021, 07:31:26 PM
Sometimes, a beginner can have better luck than a regular gambler as they do not think about the game and only play based on their feelings.
Luck doesn't determine by your status as a newbie or experienced gambler. It is something unpredictable, it can happen to anyone, whether a newcomer or an experienced player. That's why we call it a "luck-based game", it doesn't require experience or certain knowledge to win it. If we can win it with certain tricks, we must call it a "skill-based game". For me, luck didn't always relate to feeling, if we are unlucky, our feeling cannot work well.  Cheesy

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September 21, 2021, 07:18:02 PM
Personally I am a fan of both, but if I had to choose between the two then I am choosing skill based.  Poker is my all time favorite card game or game that you can find at the casino and when I say poker I mean actual poker, none of that online crap or fast play poker, I like poker when you actually sit down, take your time, bluff etc.  When you take bluffing out of the game it's just not as fun.

I agree about online poker - the dominance of bots plus grinders who, with the help of special software, play simultaneously on 20 tables, completely kills the spirit of the game. I would love to play live poker, but most of my friends are not into it and poker itself is prohibited in my country.

Yes that is certain, using fake players that actually have a budget paid by for the house or even worse, the bots, may kill the whole purpose of trying to get better progressively or just trying to play with people of similar skills so that the game is fun and unpredictable. I think that eventually, customers of sites that abuse the system eventually go somewhere else.
As a real player then we should really be aware of these stuffs yet it do really exist in the market where these cheats or deceiving kind of acts could really happen without even you knowing if you arent that mindful.

When it comes on choosing about skill based or chance based or simply rely with luck then this is where people do make choices according into their interest and preference.

Not all that do like dice will like poker and other card games because they do love fast and instant results.
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September 21, 2021, 09:25:13 AM
Personally I am a fan of both, but if I had to choose between the two then I am choosing skill based.  Poker is my all time favorite card game or game that you can find at the casino and when I say poker I mean actual poker, none of that online crap or fast play poker, I like poker when you actually sit down, take your time, bluff etc.  When you take bluffing out of the game it's just not as fun.

I agree about online poker - the dominance of bots plus grinders who, with the help of special software, play simultaneously on 20 tables, completely kills the spirit of the game. I would love to play live poker, but most of my friends are not into it and poker itself is prohibited in my country.

Yes that is certain, using fake players that actually have a budget paid by for the house or even worse, the bots, may kill the whole purpose of trying to get better progressively or just trying to play with people of similar skills so that the game is fun and unpredictable. I think that eventually, customers of sites that abuse the system eventually go somewhere else.
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