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Clams! I totally forgot those and got excited as i thought i might have left some clams to this site long time ago and completely forgot it existed. But then i visited coinmarketcap and boy the atl is striking hard on this one. Even if i got $1000 in back then, it would be worth nothing now. So it's not worth even checking.

By the way there's no way around house edge, every system we invent for gambling dice is just giving us profit if we are lucky enough. It might be fun, and if it works for you it's ok. I just wanted to point out that there's no winning method.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 10, 2023, 03:26:46 PM

I have been developing gambling bots in the past years and what I have learned is that we will never have an always-win bot, doesn't matter the method, you will always lose in the long run.

I wish all bot users cab see this to learn from, because some will emphatically told you that they cannot be fulfilled without going through the use of bot, yet when they give a try on anyone they found out that there's nothing much it has to offer than what they have already been used to, we seems not been satisfied in some cases not until we get some things done in other to get our satisfaction over it be it good or bad consequence on us, for someone like me, i may adopt the use of bot but ot in bettings that i do.

That’s really true. Gambling bots can never guarantee an all time win, they maybe profitable at some point but in the end, what you gain is still limitless losses. And I hope everyone can realize that instead of gambling using these bots, why not just gamble using your own instinct and analysis, for me that will work even better most especially if you are playing luck based games. But maybe for luck based games, gambling bots might also be profitable at certain point but never expect that it will happen all the time.

Of course because casinos will always be superior to gamblers whatever they use there will always be anticipation made by the team to keep pressure on gamblers so they can't win more often by using bots after all I sure almost all casinos prohibit the use of bots or AI.

There is no guarantee of victory and there is no greater chance that gamblers can get by using bots so it would be better to try your skills and increase your experience because gambling will really depend on luck which is the main factor in winning.

Can bots systematically beat algorithms in casino game?
Of course not because that whatever gambler uses will never bring a definite win.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on October 08, 2023, 02:58:00 PM

I don't get it, you just try to get the highest multipliers you can or you try to make profits thanks to this method? Because it would be the first time I hear that someone is able to beat the house edge of the game on the long run without cheating the game, and just betting randomly. So it can be interesting if getting high multipliers give you some bonuses or prizes enhancing your expected value, but if you don't get anything on top of the regular winnings of the game, I wonder how you could statistically beat the house edge of the game. The Expected Value is a rather old mathematical concept (elaborated by Blaise Pascal AFAIK), so I think we would already know if it's wrong.

Well first was the chase of big multipliers, then i did the chase to big profit, and i get more than 6 shots of 5 digits, and that's why now I'm chasing massive hits. In my last runs i was trying to win between 40k and 60k clams, which is the 1% of the site bankroll, so, i not enough to win against the casino, but is a nice chase.

Quote from: Mate2237 on October 08, 2023, 04:19:48 PM

So you were developing a bot to cheat on casinos. And why I say so because if you develop a bot to win casino games always then the casino will run enter bankruptcy and which is not good because the casino is there to make profit and us the profit to pay workers and other expenses. Casinos can't allow gambling bots to win always instead the losses will be more than the winning.

I created a betting bot to have better odds of winning in the long run, but there is no bot that always wins, and to be clear the casino allows me to run this bot. So, is not cheating at all.

And don't worry I'm not looking to beat the casino, i still think that's impossible because the casino has enough bankroll to play hard for the long run.

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Quote from: Porfirii on September 10, 2023, 11:56:56 PM

Seoincorporation, I'm happy to see that you follow with your experiment and that it is granting you several moments of joy. If I'm not wrong, you got with your system more than double the clams than staking through the years, isn't it?

I hope you good luck and clams going to the moon soon. Just make sure you don't lose them in a losing spree in the casino while on auto-pilot Wink

Autopilot is the most suicidal approach most especially in this kind of trend where the mare may be trying out a new bit that could possibly be on a winning spree to the point that the old will start to have the feelings of being confident in the future outcome and placing the bet on autopilot and bets this way the system just re do the previous bets until when there is no more balance to stake the next bets.

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on September 10, 2023, 04:21:00 PM

Quote from: seoincorporation on September 10, 2023, 03:26:46 PM

I have been developing gambling bots in the past years and what I have learned is that we will never have an always-win bot, doesn't matter the method, you will always lose in the long run.

I wish all bot users cab see this to learn from, because some will emphatically told you that they cannot be fulfilled without going through the use of bot, yet when they give a try on anyone they found out that there's nothing much it has to offer than what they have already been used to, we seems not been satisfied in some cases not until we get some things done in other to get our satisfaction over it be it good or bad consequence on us, for someone like me, i may adopt the use of bot but ot in bettings that i do.

That’s really true. Gambling bots can never guarantee an all time win, they maybe profitable at some point but in the end, what you gain is still limitless losses. And I hope everyone can realize that instead of gambling using these bots, why not just gamble using your own instinct and analysis, for me that will work even better most especially if you are playing luck based games. But maybe for luck based games, gambling bots might also be profitable at certain point but never expect that it will happen all the time.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 10, 2023, 03:26:46 PM

I have been developing gambling bots in the past years and what I have learned is that we will never have an always-win bot, doesn't matter the method, you will always lose in the long run.

So you were developing a bot to cheat on casinos. And why I say so because if you develop a bot to win casino games always then the casino will run enter bankruptcy and which is not good because the casino is there to make profit and us the profit to pay workers and other expenses. Casinos can't allow gambling bots to win always instead the losses will be more than the winning.

Method upon methods. All the methods I have seen and discussed today is not for personal experience and not for general experience. You have your own methods and I have my buy there are sometimes another person methods help another person to succeed and win the games. Well done to the method mentioned because I know that it will help gamblers to use different methods to gamble and win their loss but they have to avoid cheating.

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I don't get it, you just try to get the highest multipliers you can or you try to make profits thanks to this method? Because it would be the first time I hear that someone is able to beat the house edge of the game on the long run without cheating the game, and just betting randomly. So it can be interesting if getting high multipliers give you some bonuses or prizes enhancing your expected value, but if you don't get anything on top of the regular winnings of the game, I wonder how you could statistically beat the house edge of the game. The Expected Value is a rather old mathematical concept (elaborated by Blaise Pascal AFAIK), so I think we would already know if it's wrong.

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And as i say, there is no way to always win on gambling, yesterday was a rough day for me... I was trying to get the biggest win on the site in the past 12 months. And get busted trying to hit the crazy multiplier of x33,000.

I did it with a new bot who chase x33,000 and x330 on the same run, that way the balance on run goes higher on each x330 making the snow ball bigger for that x33,000. But trying to hit x33,000 on 1000 bets runs is like chasing a jackpot. And i really try it hard, made like 30 runs, but luck wasn't in my side this time.

The question is, should i keep chasing the max win with that bot, or i should take the lose and try to find another method and quit the idea of the max win?

Just for the record, i have the 3rd biggest win of the site, and in the top 10 4 of the bets are mine.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 11, 2023, 05:32:30 PM

If i start with 150 clams, the starting betting amount is 0.1clam, then moves to 0.2 and the last step is 0.4... If i hit x3300 with any of those amounts the profit could be; 330clams, 660 or 1320. It depends on the luck of the run, but it can get busted without a hit.

I see thanks for the script, this is pretty much a martingale method regardless of result with limits and resets back to the original bet when reaches the maximum set bet. I also tried this approach but in a losing streak then reset if a certain bet limit is met. I might try this kind of approach if I get extra funds next week. I'll post here if I successfully hit the huge multiplier using the method you stated.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on September 11, 2023, 12:28:54 PM

Finally, someone who is creating a thread, and tried the method.

I happy to see kind of feedback, especially for the person who are actually tried the method or any kind of strategy rather than seeing a random thread for suggestions while they're not actually tried by them self.

Thanks ryzaadit, i really enjoy creating betting methods and new strategies, i even take it to the next level today.

Quote from: ryzaadit on September 11, 2023, 12:28:54 PM

Did you ever experience, each time you are on gross-profit change the seed maybe ? and see the result not really stick into one single seed.

The seed is a really important factor, i know some seeds get stuck in a long run without a hit and get a new seed each time we run the bot is my recommendation.

Today was a weird day for my bots, i see a pattern, in lot of my x3300 the lucky number was over 0.01% chance to win, that mean, those x3300 could be some x9900. And then i starter to believe, i made the changes in the code from:

Code:

document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = 0.03;

to:

Code:

document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = 0.01;

And run the bot in 2 accounts at the same time. in both accounts i lose 5 consecutive times, but when the 6th run came it was a different story.

I know you love to have clears numbers, so i will explain it this way, but before that i want to remind the fact that my code has 2 steps of martingale (double up the betting amount).

This time i decided to change that x3300 for the x9900 and see if i had some luck on the run, but since it's a hard multiplier i run 2 bots at the same time.

First run: 10.0 each bot. - LOSE
2.- 15 - Lose
3.- 20 - Lose
4.- 25 - Lose
5.- 30 - WIN

I know in this means i was risking 200 clams with both accounts, but the fact that both accounts hits x9900 was one of my luckiest hits ever, and it wan't just the multiplier, bot of them was in the last step of the martingale, so, i with close to x800 with each bot:

Proof:

https://just-dice.com/roll/6143735518

https://just-dice.com/roll/6143733703

Code:

Code:

var chance = 5.8; var a = 1; divider=1500;
var balance = parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_balance').value);
var target = balance*2;
var b = ((balance/divider).toFixed(8));
var mybet;
document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = chance;
parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_bet').value = b);
function dobet(){
balancez = document.getElementById('pct_balance').value;
var stuit = document.getElementById('pct_bet').value;
var count = document.getElementById("nonce").innerText;
    if(count%2==0){
        document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = 0.01;
    }else{
        document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = 12.0;      
    }
if (mybet==null) {
mybet = stuit;
}
if (((balancez*1.25)mybet = b*2;
}
if (((balancez*1.5)mybet = b*4;
}
if (balancez>balance*1.2) {
    balance = balancez;
    b = ((balance/divider).toFixed(8));
    mybet = b;
}
if (balancez>=target) {
return;
}
if (a==0) {
return;
}
balancez = document.getElementById('pct_balance').value;
parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_bet').value = ((mybet*1).toFixed(8)));
Math.random() < 0.5 ? $('#a_hi').click() : $('#a_lo').click();
}
setInterval(() => dobet(), 40);

I want to be clear, you need to be really lucky to do something like this. But the only way to hit it is by trying.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on September 11, 2023, 12:28:56 PM

May i ask how do you apply the scripts or bots you are creating ?

This kind of betting bots are created in JavaScript, On your browser you press F12 > Console, Paste the code and press Enter. The script selects the betting amount based on the balance and do all the magic. Let me share the code, this way you can use it if you want.

Code:

var chance = 5.8; var a = 1; divider=1500;
var balance = parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_balance').value);
var target = balance*2;
var b = ((balance/divider).toFixed(8));
var mybet;
document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = chance;
parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_bet').value = b);
function dobet(){
balancez = document.getElementById('pct_balance').value;
var stuit = document.getElementById('pct_bet').value;
var count = document.getElementById("nonce").innerText;
    if(count%2==0){
        document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = 0.030;
    }else{
        document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = 12.0;      
    }
if (mybet==null) {
mybet = stuit;
}
if (((balancez*1.25)mybet = b*2;
}
if (((balancez*1.5)mybet = b*4;
}
if (balancez>balance*1.2) {
    balance = balancez;
    b = ((balance/divider).toFixed(8));
    mybet = b;
}
if (balancez>=target) {
return;
}
if (a==0) {
return;
}
balancez = document.getElementById('pct_balance').value;
parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_bet').value = ((mybet*1).toFixed(8)));
Math.random() < 0.5 ? $('#a_hi').click() : $('#a_lo').click();
}
setInterval(() => dobet(), 40);

Quote from: Webetcoins on September 11, 2023, 12:39:19 PM

What was your initial bankroll when starting the bot? And how much did it gain after the bot finished betting?

If i start with 150 clams, the starting betting amount is 0.1clam, then moves to 0.2 and the last step is 0.4... If i hit x3300 with any of those amounts the profit could be; 330clams, 660 or 1320. It depends on the luck of the run, but it can get busted without a hit.

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Quote from: davis196 on September 11, 2023, 01:31:22 AM

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But I have learned other things too... Like variance is the worst enemy for casinos (Big bets winning while low bets losing), and streaks come like waves. So, lose while betting low and win while betting win. I know is easy to say but we don't know when the next good wave will come. That's why we should add some chaos to our strategy.

"Chaos" and "strategy" are two words that shouldn't be added in the same sentence. Grin

Having an actual strategy excludes the possibility of relying on random results(or chaos as you say).
I agree that big bets that are winning are the worst enemy of every casino, but in the long run almost all bets are losing and the casinos try everything they can to keep the gamblers playing and betting as long as possible. The worst enemy of every casino is the gambler, who wins big, withdraws his money/coins and leaves the casino. Grin

I don't agree that winning steaks come like waves. This isn't statistically proven and it seems more like a gambler's delusion to me.

Well, I think OP calls it chaos but I think it's something along the lines of trying to hit a big wave that could offset all the losses incurred. The chances are pretty low considering the odds OP have set, but hitting one could make the bank, which can be used to try out the strategy a lot more times. And from what I've seen OP try in the past, his bets can go really low, enough to try out all the stuff he wants without being at a loss. I reckon the casino OP plays it has no minimum or something?

It is still pretty amazing though.

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on September 11, 2023, 03:03:42 PM

I love the spirit of experimentation, however, I think what is missing here is your logic, explained in more detail. Perhaps if you would show us your math then we could understand the strategy in more depth?

I'd love to see a graph of sorts OP has for the different experiments he tried. I reckon he bets a LOT, more than enough imo to create data that shouldn't vary much if tried and compared by others. Though it is gambling so you never know I guess.

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Well, I guess someone just really needed to say the fucking truth from his experiences over time... If he's tried using a bot as smart as the opertees itself and it turned out this miserable, are they any resolutions to his ambitions then??
Look, I don't really wanna look at how simply programed this bots might has been ... yunno why?? Cus I believe 'em domains don't have the abilities to counter a Strange, reprogrammed bot analysis...or since when was that made viable??

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 10, 2023, 03:26:46 PM

I have been developing gambling bots in the past years and what I have learned is that we will never have an always-win bot, doesn't matter the method, you will always lose in the long run.

Thank God for the talent given to you to develop something like that in the casino space. Yes, if you create a casino not site that gamblers win always then you are automatically at the losing side. You have to balance the equation by allowing the gamblers to loss and win once while and the winning is not always because if the they win always you won't have money to pay your Staff and maintain the sire when it is time.

This is a nice work op, keep it up. You have more in-depth knowledge to complete the project to be running in the forum.

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I love the spirit of experimentation, however, I think what is missing here is your logic, explained in more detail. Perhaps if you would show us your math then we could understand the strategy in more depth?

From what I understand, it's better to set up a blueprint of your experiment before you start working on it.

The images show a lot of data but I don't understand how it all connects or what it means.

I think If you have discovered a way to beat the system, it will take mere hours for the casinos to catch on and develop a way to block it.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on September 11, 2023, 12:28:56 PM

Good to see you winning with your strategy and it’s really a chaos by adding two different payout settings, I can’t imagine myself watching the bot draining my balance and hoping it will hit the x3300 before I going broke haha. The possibility of winning high and losing low here are a bit better with this strategy what you need is a bit of chance and patience beside knowing when to stop.

Quote from: seoincorporation on September 10, 2023, 03:26:46 PM

I have been developing gambling bots in the past years and what I have learned is that we will never have an always-win bot, doesn't matter the method, you will always lose in the long run.

There are no magical strategies or holygrails with a casino because logically they wouldn’t allow playing with bots if they are that effective against the house edge. Even that some people will win using specific bots or strategies and at the same time another person may use the exact same tools and strategies but still he will lose. May i ask how do you apply the scripts or bots you are creating ?

using bots in gambling is the easiest way to lose money. I mean if you're not clicking your own bets, then it's not you gambling anymore. It's only the computer. You won't have the experience of a regular gambler. You won't have any signs of accountability of your bets because it's no longer your decision either its your bot's. And even if you generate money, overtime if you are detected by the gambling site using it, you might violate rules get banned and pay compensation.

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What was your initial bankroll when starting the bot? And how much did it gain after the bot finished betting? Seeing proof of these things would be pleasing to see. I don't have any doubts that you have actually created a working strategy, but as you said yourself, one will eventually lose, and I wonder what will happen if there is a loss streak of around 25 bets because we all know that it is possible in a game of dice or Hi-Lo, I've seen bigger loss streaks.

I've seen a lot of people applying different strategies and managing to get some wins initially, but the house manages to get everything back eventually and the strategy basically backfires most of the times in gambling, that's because at the end of the day, the outcome is based on your luck.

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Good to see you winning with your strategy and it’s really a chaos by adding two different payout settings, I can’t imagine myself watching the bot draining my balance and hoping it will hit the x3300 before I going broke haha. The possibility of winning high and losing low here are a bit better with this strategy what you need is a bit of chance and patience beside knowing when to stop.

Quote from: seoincorporation on September 10, 2023, 03:26:46 PM

I have been developing gambling bots in the past years and what I have learned is that we will never have an always-win bot, doesn't matter the method, you will always lose in the long run.

There are no magical strategies or holygrails with a casino because logically they wouldn’t allow playing with bots if they are that effective against the house edge. Even that some people will win using specific bots or strategies and at the same time another person may use the exact same tools and strategies but still he will lose. May i ask how do you apply the scripts or bots you are creating ?

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Finally, someone who is creating a thread, and tried the method.

I happy to see kind of feedback, especially for the person who are actually tried the method or any kind of strategy rather than seeing a random thread for suggestions while they're not actually tried by them self.

Did you ever experience, each time you are on gross-profit change the seed maybe ? and see the result not really stick into one single seed.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on September 11, 2023, 02:08:27 AM

There are different strategies that some gamblers will have and develop for themselves in a way to earn more than they can lose, but with all strategies that we are using, let us know that we may lose at anytime. Because a strategy works for us the first, second and third time, that does not still mean the strategy can be efficient enough to continue to let us win than lose. What I am only saying is that we should gamble wisely and responsibly.

Many gambler will start to develop their own strategies for gambling,Some of the strategies may work and get them some money.Some of the gambling strategies will not work and leads to some big loss.So gambler should ready to face both of the game.Gambler should get happier on the winning and should not get sad at the loss.Most of the experienced gambler will get into many depression by the loss.But they will take this sportive as compared to the normal gambler.The normal gambler will get depressed on every loss,surely it will affect the game.For this many experienced will not take the loss into the mind.

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