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Topic: Gas supply cut-off deadline of $1.95 billion by 06:00 GMT on Monday. - page 2. (Read 4281 times)

legendary
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Did anything happen to the Ukraine after the announcement from Russia about these pipelines
Also what can be done

According to Gazprom, it has stopped supplying gas to Ukraine. But everyone knows that the Ukrainians are currently stealing the gas which is destined for the European Union and other non-EU eastern European nations.  Grin
legendary
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First of all, Ukraine can pay up the debt and agree to the EU-brokered deal of 385.
Second, South-Eastern countries should stop following the directives from Brussels (after conducting talks with Kerry) and shooting themselves in the foot by not wishing to conclude the South Stream.
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Did anything happen to the Ukraine after the announcement from Russia about these pipelines
Also what can be done
legendary
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^^^ The explosion happened in Poltava Oblast, which is currently under the occupation of Right Sector. It is a no-brainer actually, on who is responsible for the pipeline blast. At the time of explosion, the gas pressure was around 50-52 atmos. It is a miracle that large scale human casualties and economic damage were avoided.
legendary
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Yahoo! Finally, the gas pipeline was exploded. Cheesy Waiting for "PANICPANICPANIC" screams in the Brussel. Smiley

http://business.vesti.ua/57019-pod-poltavoj-vzorvalsja-gazoprovod-urengoj-pomary-uzhgorod
legendary
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Hummmmmm

Gaslog stock.. look it up.
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If counter show, that gas result stolen, from Russian part will be cut supply for the same amount of gas.
legendary
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^^^^ As far as I know, the Persian pipeline project was abandoned in 2012. But in case the political situation improves, there is a chance that an interlink pipeline will be built, connecting the Iranian gas fields to the Trans Anatolian Pipeline.
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How long it will take to build a pipeline from Iran to southern Europe?

Haven't heard about the Trans-Anatolian / Trans Adriatic gas pipeline?

Both of them are to be completed in 2018 , but they are not linked to the iranian one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Pipeline
Expected   2014
So , I guess something is wrong with the project and I can't get any info on it.

legendary
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There is one tiny flaw in this plan...
How will Putin face the public reaction of leaving Russian civilians in the hands of the Kiev government when withdrawing his support from eastern Ukraine?

First of all he will not offer public support. The weapons will be shipped secretly. And in the end he will ask the rebel leaders to either make a deal with Poroshenko, or to escape to Russia. Probably the rebel leaders will announce in the public that their demands have been met and they are stopping the war.

How long it will take to build a pipeline from Iran to southern Europe?

Haven't heard about the Trans-Anatolian / Trans Adriatic gas pipeline?
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^^^ Everyone knows that Putin is not interested in adding the Donbass to Russia. So here are some of his options:

1. Support the rebels in Donbass. Send in the Spetsnaz and Omon, supply them with the latest weapons such as multi-barrel rocket launchers.
2. Make a secret deal with Poroshenko. Instant gas payment + recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea in return for withdrawal of support for the rebels.
3. Kiev agrees to the deal, Putin withdraws support, Donbass is conquered by the Kiev junta. Everything is peaceful once again.  Grin

There is one tiny flaw in this plan...
How will Putin face the public reaction of leaving Russian civilians in the hands of the Kiev government when withdrawing his support from eastern Ukraine?
Even with all the propaganda he is a master in , he won't escape unscratched.

The first thing is already happening.I don't see the second one coming true.
The US will do anything in it's power that no such deal is made.

I think that they have some hidden plan and the recent changes in iran - iraq might be a clue.
How long it will take to build a pipeline from Iran to southern Europe?




legendary
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^^^ Everyone knows that Putin is not interested in adding the Donbass to Russia. So here are some of his options:

1. Support the rebels in Donbass. Send in the Spetsnaz and Omon, supply them with the latest weapons such as multi-barrel rocket launchers.
2. Make a secret deal with Poroshenko. Instant gas payment + recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea in return for withdrawal of support for the rebels.
3. Kiev agrees to the deal, Putin withdraws support, Donbass is conquered by the Kiev junta. Everything is peaceful once again.  Grin
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^^^ Russia will send 185 million cubic meter though the Ukrainian pipeline, and the Ukrainians will steal at least one-third of that. This is a forgone conclusion. Perhaps it will convince Putin to send some support for the rebels in Lugansk and Donestk.

Even if they support the rebels in Lugansk , they will still need to take over the entire country to make the pipes safer.

And if they take over , they will also have to support the cost for rebuilding a demolished war country.
Not even talking about the fact that if Ukraine will join Russia , the debt will have to be waived.



Pretty interesting idea:

Why haven't the Ukrainians demanded for a 10% reduction of the debt since that gas was consumed by citizens of Crimea ? =)))
That would be hilarious
legendary
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^^^ Russia will send 185 million cubic meter though the Ukrainian pipeline, and the Ukrainians will steal at least one-third of that. This is a forgone conclusion. Perhaps it will convince Putin to send some support for the rebels in Lugansk and Donestk.
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Bulgaria still has 2 months of gas stored. Enough time to settle this.

But I wonder , If gazprom cuts supplies to the south eastern countries , won't they be accused of breaching their contract? After al they can claim the same , they signed a contract in which Gazprom agreed to deliver gas. Bulgaria has payed for it , it's gazprom fault for not sending it.

The contract is signed by Gazprom as well as by the transit countries. For example, Bulgaria's supplies are guaranteed by both the Gazprom and Naftogas. Both will have to pay compensations.


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“Volumes of gas for European customers will be fully met in compliance with their contracts. Naftogaz must ensure transportation to the delivery points," Kupriyanov said earlier.

So the Eu will sue gazprom who will sue naftogaz and this will take a few years , and probably nothing will happen.

Pretty interesting fact about the percentages posted by rt



Although my country is shown with 87% dependency from Russian gas, that's 87% of the 27% we import to cover entire consumption.

According to the figures released by transgaz (national company) we need to close down only two chemical plants to sustain our consumption by our own.

Bulgaria has to make it to 2015 though

In December 2015, South Stream will deliver its first gas to Bulgaria,” Miller said.


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Russia will also continue to send 185 million cubic meters of gas through Ukraine to European destinations.

So , no problem for the rest of the eu?
We will only have to deal with what Ukraine takes from the transit gas? (steals)

The whole thing is a mess.
legendary
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Not quite. There were an additional supplies in 2009, gazprom made them to compensate shortages. Maybe I'm wrong but I it seems unlikely that gazprom will do anything like that again, in the current situation.

Yes. In 2009, the Ukrainians had to pay for the stolen gas. But Gazprom received the payment only after 6 months or so. But back then, the EU officials were remaining neutral, not supporting Kiev.
legendary
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Transit supply to EU trough Ukrainian territory is still present.

Are you joking? Ukraine will steal the gas destined for Europe and the Russians will shut down the gas pipeline. It will happen within the next 24 hours. Germany, Poland.etc are going to be safe, thanks to Nord Stream. Serbia, Bulgaria.etc will have to live without any gas. Some small amounts can be transported through Blue Stream.... but that will amount to less than 5% of the demand.

Bulgaria still has 2 months of gas stored. Enough time to settle this.

But I wonder , If gazprom cuts supplies to the south eastern countries , won't they be accused of breaching their contract? After al they can claim the same , they signed a contract in which Gazprom agreed to deliver gas. Bulgaria has payed for it , it's gazprom fault for not sending it.
An optimal scenario is continue the supplies without compensations of stolen volumes. Then Naftogaz of Ukraine will be responsible for shortages, because they are transportation contractor.
I think that is is what happened in 2009 , right?
But there were no consequences ..
Not quite. There were an additional supplies in 2009, gazprom made them to compensate shortages. Maybe I'm wrong but I it seems unlikely that gazprom will do anything like that again, in the current situation.
legendary
Activity: 3766
Merit: 1217
Bulgaria still has 2 months of gas stored. Enough time to settle this.

But I wonder , If gazprom cuts supplies to the south eastern countries , won't they be accused of breaching their contract? After al they can claim the same , they signed a contract in which Gazprom agreed to deliver gas. Bulgaria has payed for it , it's gazprom fault for not sending it.

The contract is signed by Gazprom as well as by the transit countries. For example, Bulgaria's supplies are guaranteed by both the Gazprom and Naftogas. Both will have to pay compensations.
hero member
Activity: 826
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in defi we trust
Transit supply to EU trough Ukrainian territory is still present.

Are you joking? Ukraine will steal the gas destined for Europe and the Russians will shut down the gas pipeline. It will happen within the next 24 hours. Germany, Poland.etc are going to be safe, thanks to Nord Stream. Serbia, Bulgaria.etc will have to live without any gas. Some small amounts can be transported through Blue Stream.... but that will amount to less than 5% of the demand.

Bulgaria still has 2 months of gas stored. Enough time to settle this.

But I wonder , If gazprom cuts supplies to the south eastern countries , won't they be accused of breaching their contract? After al they can claim the same , they signed a contract in which Gazprom agreed to deliver gas. Bulgaria has payed for it , it's gazprom fault for not sending it.
An optimal scenario is continue the supplies without compensations of stolen volumes. Then Naftogaz of Ukraine will be responsible for shortages, because they are transportation contractor.

I think that is is what happened in 2009 , right?
But there were no consequences ..
legendary
Activity: 3108
Merit: 1359
Transit supply to EU trough Ukrainian territory is still present.

Are you joking? Ukraine will steal the gas destined for Europe and the Russians will shut down the gas pipeline. It will happen within the next 24 hours. Germany, Poland.etc are going to be safe, thanks to Nord Stream. Serbia, Bulgaria.etc will have to live without any gas. Some small amounts can be transported through Blue Stream.... but that will amount to less than 5% of the demand.

Bulgaria still has 2 months of gas stored. Enough time to settle this.

But I wonder , If gazprom cuts supplies to the south eastern countries , won't they be accused of breaching their contract? After al they can claim the same , they signed a contract in which Gazprom agreed to deliver gas. Bulgaria has payed for it , it's gazprom fault for not sending it.
An optimal scenario is continue the supplies without compensations of stolen volumes. Then Naftogaz of Ukraine will be responsible for shortages, because they are transportation contractor.
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