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Quote from: validium on June 16, 2014, 11:35:30 AM

Why are they finding it hard to pay for this yet they have the money. If they cant pay all of it then at least some of the money like a quarter of it(255$ mill).
Maybe they will come to their senses once it gets shutdown.

Perhaps because simply the "stealer" is gone to Russia with tons of millions of $$ .... Viktor Ianoukovitch ... fortune estimation 'is just' around half billion USD... and all Gov members who ripped the money ....

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Quote from: 247crypto on June 16, 2014, 04:22:38 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2kGNriDmBQ

Yeah... Gazprom => Medvedev => Poutin LoL

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Why are they finding it hard to pay for this yet they have the money. If they cant pay all of it then at least some of the money like a quarter of it(255$ mill).
Maybe they will come to their senses once it gets shutdown.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 11:26:14 AM

Quote from: 247crypto on June 16, 2014, 11:22:11 AM

Transit supply to EU trough Ukrainian territory is still present.

Are you joking? Ukraine will steal the gas destined for Europe and the Russians will shut down the gas pipeline. It will happen within the next 24 hours. Germany, Poland.etc are going to be safe, thanks to Nord Stream. Serbia, Bulgaria.etc will have to live without any gas. Some small amounts can be transported through Blue Stream.... but that will amount to less than 5% of the demand.

Bulgaria still has 2 months of gas stored. Enough time to settle this.

But I wonder , If gazprom cuts supplies to the south eastern countries , won't they be accused of breaching their contract? After al they can claim the same , they signed a contract in which Gazprom agreed to deliver gas. Bulgaria has payed for it , it's gazprom fault for not sending it.

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Quote from: 247crypto on June 16, 2014, 11:22:11 AM

Transit supply to EU trough Ukrainian territory is still present.

Are you joking? Ukraine will steal the gas destined for Europe and the Russians will shut down the gas pipeline. It will happen within the next 24 hours. Germany, Poland.etc are going to be safe, thanks to Nord Stream. Serbia, Bulgaria.etc will have to live without any gas. Some small amounts can be transported through Blue Stream.... but that will amount to less than 5% of the demand.

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Quote from: niothor on June 16, 2014, 02:21:57 AM

Bad news for my Bulgarian neighbors

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Transit supply to EU trough Ukrainian territory is still present.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2kGNriDmBQ

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Quote from: 5flags on June 16, 2014, 04:13:02 AM

Quote from: niothor on June 16, 2014, 01:46:20 AM

Bryant , you're the data guy...

Warning - Bryant's data should always carry the warning that it is specifically selected to support his conclusions.

Well..... I take the effort to find the data. If you complain so much about it, then you should do some research yourself and post the data to counter what I have posted. Now begin with the post. no. 12.

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Quote from: niothor on June 16, 2014, 01:46:20 AM

Bryant , you're the data guy...

Warning - Bryant's data should always carry the warning that it is specifically selected to support his conclusions.

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Quote from: 247crypto on June 16, 2014, 02:45:42 AM

Biodiesel is a healthy way to help with unemployment Grin

No spare farmland available in Ukraine. Already all of it is used to produce wheat and barley. And sugarcane cannot be cultivated in Ukraine, due to the climatic conditions.

BTW... this is interesting:

Ukraine’s Naftogaz files lawsuit against Gazprom over ‘unfair’ gas prices

http://rt.com/business/166104-gazprom-ukraine-gas-prepay

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Biodiesel is a healthy way to help with unemployment Grin

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 02:08:19 AM

^^^^ Here:

Convert million cubic meter / day to billion cubic meter / year by *0.365

Seems like for the moment nordstream and yamal can take almost all the capacity.
But I doubt that the gas can be pumped from there to it's normal destination.

Also those are March numbers and the figures will change dramatically in October - November.
Becoming interesting.

Bad news for my Bulgarian neighbors

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^^^^ Here:

Convert million cubic meter / day to billion cubic meter / year by *0.365

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Quote from: 247crypto on June 16, 2014, 01:39:55 AM

Gazprom stops supplying unpaid-for gas to Ukraine as deadline passes

Bryant , you're the data guy , are those numbers the actual flow of gas through the pipes right now or the average pumped on ?

It seems like the maximum capacity for the northern pipes is around 240milions per day, that's close to the numbers shown on the pic for all the pipes.

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"Газпром" ввел режим предоплаты поставок российского газа для "Нафтогаза Украины". Решение вступило в силу в понедельник с 10:00 по московскому времени, сообщает ИТАР-ТАСС.

В российской газовой компании объяснили такие меры "хроническими неплатежами "Нафтогаза Украины", который должен 4,458 млрд долларов (451 млрд долларов - за ноябрь-декабрь 2013 года и 3,007 млрд долларов - за апрель-май 2014 года).

С сегодняшнего дня "Нафтогаз Украины" получит российский газ только в оплаченных объемах.

Срок погашения Киевом части долга за российский газ в размере 1,95 миллиарда долларов истек 16 июня в 10:00 по московскому времени.

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Gazprom stops supplying unpaid-for gas to Ukraine as deadline passes

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ОАО «Газпром» @GazpromNews
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Сегодня с 10:00 #Газпром в полном соответствии с действующим контрактом перевел НАК «Нафтогаз Украины» на предоплату поставок газа
8:08 AM - 16 Jun 2014

http://rt.com/business/166104-gazprom-ukraine-gas-prepay/

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2014, 01:34:08 AM

Quote from: niothor on June 16, 2014, 01:23:01 AM

It's already pass the deadline and I'm sure the Ukrainians haven't payed a single cent.

Check the news. The pipeline pressure is dropping, as the Russians have stopped the supply of gas. Within the next 48 hours, there won't be any more gas in the pipeline.

http://rt.com/business/166104-gazprom-ukraine-gas-prepay/

Have you read the article ?

There is only one quote about a decision and that's:

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Russia’s energy minister Aleksander Novak and Gazprom head Aleksey Miller will hold a press conference later this afternoon.

Although I don't argue the gas delivery might have indeed stopped there is no actual claim for that in the article.
Not even one.

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If it's such a real concern then how come more people are not bringing it up?

Less natural gas just means we might have to return to the 1910s - people used to wear jackets and boots indoors all the time. Natural gas is technically one of those luxuries which permits you to wear T-Shirts and shorts, in a house, during the middle of winter.

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Quote from: niothor on June 16, 2014, 01:23:01 AM

It's already pass the deadline and I'm sure the Ukrainians haven't payed a single cent.

Check the news. The pipeline pressure is dropping, as the Russians have stopped the supply of gas. Within the next 48 hours, there won't be any more gas in the pipeline.

http://rt.com/business/166104-gazprom-ukraine-gas-prepay/

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"We reached no agreement and the chances that we will meet again are slim -- we are already on the plane heading back (to Moscow)," Kupriyanov told AFP. "If we receive no pre-payment by 10:00 am (0600GMT), then we obviously will deliver no gas."

It's already pass the deadline and I'm sure the Ukrainians haven't payed a single cent.

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