Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) - page 1269. (Read 3377857 times)

Exactly. The domain is in escrow. The escrow agent told them it will be returned to the seller on the 20th.

https://archive.today/iKu2N

I am not quite sure that is how it works.  The inadmissibility of illegally obtained evidence is largely for criminal trials because it stems from a 4th amendment violation.  The  4th amendment does not protect against other non-government actors.  Even in criminal  trials there have been convictions based upon evidence gathered from non-government informants illegally.  In civil trials, which is what anyone here would likely be involved in (I personally have already contacted my lawyer to form a class action suit), admissibility is generally easier.  The only concern becomes whether or not the  emails can be authenticated.  The DKIM signatures should authenticate them unless it can be proved that the signatures are faked, for example someone breaks into their server and gets the private key and can then generate anything.  

Generally speaking the plaintiff would not have to prove that someone did not break in (proving a negative is always difficult) but rather GAW would have to assert a defense stating the emails are not valid because someone broke in and provide evidence that someone in fact did break in, that the private key was probably compromised, etc.  Then its up to the majority of jurors to decide which side they believe.  It would be less likely that a judge would just disallow the evidence but rather leave it to the jury to decide if they believe it to be trustworthy in this situation (although anything really can happen in the courtroom).

Civil trials are preponderance of the evidence not beyond reasonable doubt and you only need 2/3 of the jurors so its often easier to win a civil case than a criminal case.  When officers of a company commit crimes as part of their business practice, especially fraud or deceit, it becomes easier to pierce the corporate veil and go after personal assets and  other holdings outside of what the company has left.  



I am not a lawyer, I am just a poor law student trying to get a job to pay for school after 20+ years working in the computer industry.  Hire me to develop your next bitcoin app so you can take over the world

Thank you for explaining this. Definitely sounds like something GAW would do.

what you mean got lucky and found them. this link or? https://groups.google.com/a/geniusesatwork.com

Either that, or depending on the terms of the sale if they didn't make payment after a set time the domain would revert to the old owner and previous payments would be forfeit. It isn't unheard of.

Imagine the publicity if they lost btc.com. Power going out in a DC? You can spin that. Losing BTC.com due to nonpayment? That's way more public and way harder to spin.

Surely top of the line cryptography and computer programming experts who are capable or reinventing currency (old-school and digital) and global economy are capable of setting up Google Apps for Work.  CANNOT. BELIEVE. THIS. . .      

+1 ^^ This is the most accurate representation of what took place. Anyone who has knowledge of Google Apps for Work knows that this is exactly what happened. There was no hack. These fools simply set their groups to public.

Groups are commonly used as a "catch all" inbox for say, [email protected], so that multiple people can receive those emails.

These idiots just didn't set it up properly and someone got lucky and found them.

I don't know if it was archived, but it was quoted here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10650588

1,000,000$ domain-name purchase was more important than paying for the electric bills  

The emails were already setup to go to the groups.  Maybe it had something to do with what Suchmoon said about them using gmail as the email provider.  The genius part and the reason you know they really are geniuses at work is that the google groups were all set to public.  By default spiders do not crawl google groups so unless you knew the URLs nobody would ever see the groups anyway.  What happened yesterday is that the URLs were posted in this thread making all of the geniuses emails publicly visible.

The reasons they went offline while people were viewing them is someone made them non-public.  I did notice a conspicuous absence of vlad during all of that.

Was that email about the power bill archived?

DMCA takedown notice is also a possibility, although I'm not sure if it would work that quickly.

Regardless, enough juicy bits have been archived, I wish I had more time to read all this. It looks like for the last couple of months at least GAW has been operating from dump to dump, i.e. an invoice comes in, it's ignored until it's followed by legal threats, then miraculously it gets paid if it's deemed important, otherwise continues to be ignored. Like the BTC.com installment ($1 million purchase LOL), that one was important apparently. But the electric bill wasn't, let's just shut the hashlets down, who cares.

Kind of pisses me off that shaerox was able to buy a bunch of paycoin but missed payment on a bunch of his btcjam loans. What a fucking mook.

Oh wow...Found on HT... This is too perfect... Except what they don't realize is that this is JOSH'S MOTTO against them!

Not that I wish criminal charges against anybody, but it sure would help push along my credit card dispute if they'd lock him up already.

Poor guy.. At least he took his own advice and "owned it"...

Another 125,000 to a new address: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PCy73Vk3jZCv32dSN9MhtSXCM3JLbBNLL4.htm

Anyone have an idea as to what is going on with all of these large moves of XPY?  Most of these seem to be made to brand new addresses. My knowledge of how all of this works is fairly limited, am I missing something about these transactions?

I would love to know what information that comment is based on.


Also this question has been asked a few times but I can't find the answer.  If those emails last night were released by a hacker, why were the google archives blocked so quickly?   Wouldn't the hacker want to keep them up for maximum damage?   Or did GAW complain directly to google to have them shut down?

Does it strike anyone as funny that his only posts to HT in over 24 hours are these two below?






Some "fearless leader".... Really standing strong for his "followers".

it contains a reference to something that HTers aren't allowed to know about.  At least not while they are still buying XPY by the thousands.  

"Ima gunna be rich in just two more weeks."