Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) - page 197. (Read 3377790 times)

Now this did actually make me giggle!! hehe!

I'm glad we can see the funny side. But also this is serious business too. We need to stay objective in order for what we think/say to be worth anything and I do appreciate that some here are doing that.

I have no conclusion at this time, it's so early and I am still doing my own research.

http://www.icocountdown.com/

For me it looks we stucked here  

Let me clear my point:
1. What will change if details about company are public, yes this information would be and should be public, but what does it really change, like ie. who of you send them flowers and who visited mordica and co and their headquarters which was at this time an obvious scam ? Anybody? What did it change on scam except that they tried to make it look legal and my friends, exactly this was the reason why so many people outside of crypto trusted this Mexican Sobrero. Now I don't understand, if they are scam why should they be geniuine?

2. I see here some that were on hashtalk too, I see them here being very clever but if I remember hashtalk time, lol . Now some try to find Ganzas role in MrCoins, seriously???

3. Here only bitpop said something that is important to discuss about, the rest that you try to convince MrCoins, for me its just trashtalk. Point is, MrCoins, what would you say, what is your responsibility for making promotion for them and how important was such thing for an scam like ganza did? What can you do now about it (question to everybody)? What do you think others are expecting from you, here and on ionomy? I remember MrCoins saying in this thread, he will take responsibility of every btc that was sent to him.

4.  MrCoins made bunch of btc with other coins, whatever you say, for me he seems to have learned more than many of us, so far about investment knowledge or luck, whatever you call it. Now everybody who continues this stupid discussion "what did you learn", tell me first what should have he learned, he wade with couple btc hunderds of btc with other coins, is this the experience he is asked here?

5. Ionomy, why is it discussed here, only because they caused death of xpy?

The never ending scam... ever evolving to make the gullible gawlets pour more and more money down the toilet until they have none left...

Reminds me of the movie Idiocracy...

The team wouldn't answer? Or just their "friendly" chat people in slack that "encourage" questions? Maybe Mr Coins could talk to them and tell them its a reasonable question?

They did mention they weren't the same old paycoin people and want to do it right. What is so hard about saying who they are on that handle and who uses it? Do they not want to be accountable and transparent on the comments they make to who they are? I think this is a fair question yes? Its something i'll keep pushing until an answer is had.

ICOCountDown is his handle.. its 1 person using it. Also ICOCountDown is a site that monitors he isn't "selling" a product or service or getting investors. Maybe they haven't changed and are just like Josh Garza wanting to hide behind others and anonymous names.

I asked, they wouldn't answer. They even had the nerve to bad mouth the ICOcountdown guy for hiding behind a handle. Yet the ionomy handle does the exact same thing. Paycoin logic at its finest.

seems I missed some pages... can we got back to the facts?

what's the Data for Ganzas trial?

The zencloud guy must not know about sql queries to group things to make data readable... then again it is josh's crew that aren't that clever.

I've stated this a number of times suchmoon and agree whole heartedly. Its easy to takes others money to do something and then fail and go well o shit we stuffed up. There is no accountability its not "their" money. They are basically crowdsourcing and have no skin in the game.

Would matlack put up $250,000 of his own money against this as a contingency fund to refund people if it goes tits up? No the fact its so easy to draw funds from crypto with no responsibility of your own is why they do this.

If it succeeds and makes money even momentarily they win. They care not if it works out or not.. well obviously if it does they make more. But all these groups have nothing to lose only to gain. The risk is all on the people that give them money.

@Mrcoins can you see this logic? Why is it nobody asks this? honestly all new ventures should have their own loans against things or at least invest their own money to share risk. Why trust a group that has nothing to lose financially.. o sorry they spent $20 on a themeforest theme and honsting.

The coins they premine and swap cost them nothing.. just lines in code change. The people behind it are ideas men. No actual programming skill. They are floating a shark tank idea hoping others will pay so they can develop it.

Again no financial risk to them. They are using you. If it does succeed they win you don't. Maybe thats what a shepard does when attending to his flock? Adam as a man of god i think you should be pretty ashamed as a start.

@Bitpop sorry i fudded pastor matlack i hope god will forgive me and not raygun me with a raygun he bought for xpy from meganet while eating pexpepper chilli.

1) true

2) never hacked because you believe the platform is very secure and well admined or never hacked because nobody would hack xpy considering it has no value so a waste of time when they can go after platforms that deal in btc etc?

3) matlack was involved in a lot of xpy stuff as an inner circle man so he is involved in this and thus a developer. I believe him to be a user of the ionomy bitcointalk handle but that account still refuses to answer this easy question. Maybe you can ask your slack channel who posts as ionomy and put the results here?

So you take these answers as proof and acknowledge suchmoon gave it to you so his comments are correct? i.e. 8:1 and that there was a big premine?

How about my simple question of who uses the ionomy bitcoin talk handle? Is it adam matlack? others.. can they end their post with -adam matlack etc...

This is a simple quesiton. Maybe the person in their slack channel can ask this. I believe they don't want to answer it as it shows accountability. Being able to hide being ionomy as someone else gives them security. If they believe in their project say who they are.

I can't take it anymore!!!!!

REPRISE:

Sure, but have you actually read any of the court docs? The guy testifying about the DB from zencloud said in his PDF that it's too huge to even calculate that shit other than Homero pocketed 10Mil ... IMO, there will be no clawbacks here, this is crypto ffs... So other than the fucking scammers who initially made big bucks due to Homero and crew's inside knowledge, or any other links they can find, I doubt it's going to happen in this case, however, yes, it's a truly real thing. Ask the longtime madoff investors who now owe the other victims.

BULL$#!T!  Look up "Clawbacks."

https://bernsteinlaw.com/publications-list/investor-beware-what-everyone-should-know-about-clawback-litigation/

"Mr Coins
@CryptoDabbler
Nothing I say is investment advice. Don't copy my trades or investments. Why? I'm usually wrong. Good luck!

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Awesomesauce!  Now have you actually learned anything?

Owners of XPY and ION should rejoice and look forward to playing World of Hash on the Xboxes they bought from Coinstand!  

1) It looks like you're saying the same thing. XPY is (or was) indeed exchanged to ION at an 8:1 rate. Which part of my statement are you saying "isn't entirely accurate"?

2) And it took them a year+ to realize that? In what way is that not a failure?

3) +1 for mental gymnastics but that doesn't change anything. People who worked on a failed coin or platform or whatever you want to call it for a year without realizing that it's doomed can't be trusted by default. Let them develop their ionomy using a bank loan and then sell shares in a totally legit functioning uber-innovative business. How's that for an idea? VC sharks should be queuing up outside Matlack's door as we speak.

Oh that's right. Crypto is different. Because building a proper business is too much hassle.

Coins, you and I have different definitions of "successful".