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Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) - page 546. (Read 3377922 times)

legendary
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Well I already told Matlock what he needed to do several pages back but I have a feeling that the advice has fallen on deaf ears.

The PayCoin team are a bunch of amateurs with 0 experience in working with Cryptocurrencies, I saw in the first couple weeks of being part of Bitcointalk that if you ever want to be successful in this game you need to be completely transparent because eventually everything you say becomes public. How do you avoid FUD? simple, do the same things in public as you do in private and hold no liabilities because even if people released all your private conversations it wouldn't matter. Team XPY are idiots because it isn't PayCointalk, Hashtalk, GetHashing or whatever that matters, all that matters is Bitcointalk and everything else revolves around that and the fact that they avoid it only shows that they have no idea how to run a Coin.

If you are not being transparent in the things you do, you are only hurting yourself in the long-term. There is lots of money to be made in this industry in a legitimate way, it requires trying to make money for OTHER people, not yourself.

Matlack lost $1 million to Homero like a dumb muggle. His only desire now is to steal every penny he can from other muggles and pray on breaking even. Nothing he says will ever change that. He's just a dumb muggle turned scammer.
legendary
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Well I already told Matlock what he needed to do several pages back but I have a feeling that the advice has fallen on deaf ears.

The PayCoin team are a bunch of amateurs with 0 experience in working with Cryptocurrencies, I saw in the first couple weeks of being part of Bitcointalk that if you ever want to be successful in this game you need to be completely transparent because eventually everything you say becomes public. How do you avoid FUD? simple, do the same things in public as you do in private and hold no liabilities because even if people released all your private conversations it wouldn't matter. Team XPY are idiots because it isn't PayCointalk, Hashtalk, GetHashing or whatever that matters, all that matters is Bitcointalk and everything else revolves around that and the fact that they avoid it only shows that they have no idea how to run a Coin.

If you are not being transparent in the things you do, you are only hurting yourself in the long-term. There is lots of money to be made in this industry in a legitimate way, it requires trying to make money for OTHER people, not yourself.
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Think everyone is forgetting about one thing here.  If these are legitimate payouts why all the mixing to try to hide the source and destination?
legendary
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Of course his addresses would include prime controller/hyperstaking/self destructive coin feature wallets which would change addresses continuously as stakes split and merge inputs based on the peercoin base code.   

FWIW, and as I understand it, peercoin merges and splits only from and to a single address.
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So somehow you are mixing hashstaker payouts, site balances, paybase balances and ganza dump on your faces all together into a jumble of hip hop mixing money laundering madness on the blockchain.  Now with hyperflux superstake™

So how many hashstakers are there?

Based on what I've seen here a hashstaker is a database item which requires no XPY and no tangible backing therefore there is no limit to them? 

What specifically are you looking for?  The number of mortal + immortal stakers currently paying out?

Yes... Paying out. And how many filled. I understand there is a difference now because some unfilled stakers are paying out.

Which gets me thinking (never a good sign) - does anyone know for sure that Garza doesn't have a large Zencloud account? Or a few?

All unfilled stakers start paying out.  So I'll ask for the number of stakers paying out.  

I'd ballpark over 500,000.
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So somehow you are mixing hashstaker payouts, site balances, paybase balances and ganza dump on your faces all together into a jumble of hip hop mixing money laundering madness on the blockchain.  Now with hyperflux superstake™

So how many hashstakers are there?

Based on what I've seen here a hashstaker is a database item which requires no XPY and no tangible backing therefore there is no limit to them?  

What specifically are you looking for?  The number of mortal + immortal stakers currently paying out?

Yes... Paying out. And how many filled. I understand there is a difference now because some unfilled stakers are paying out.

Which gets me thinking (never a good sign) - does anyone know for sure that Garza doesn't have a large Zencloud account? Or a few?

Or dozens or hundreds? I suggested this long ago but the idea was poo pooed.There is no doubt that whatever the actual source or rationale behind the random small amounts going to exchanges (repeatedly all day every day), they all accumulate in one or two accounts from which they then get dumped en masse.

Edit to add: With that I must bid you gentlemen goodnight.
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The vast majority of dumps occur in HUGE chunks of 10s of thousands of coins. Look for yourself, I would say that at LEAST 90% of dumps happen in 10,000+ groups. The vast majority of deposits are TINY- usually like 1 XPY- but up to 100, and rarely up to maybe 500 XPY- but MOSTLY like 1-10 XPY per transaction- literally.  To think that someone is sitting there withdrawing 50,000 coins to his Cryptsy account in random amounts between .1 and 100 XPY per transaction (meaning hundreds or thousands of manual transactions to accumulate enough for a single days dumpage)  day after day is complete idiocy.

This analysis makes sense.

There does have to be a bunch of odd number transactions where customers withdraw to exchanges are these not showing up or not obvious or is there an issue with the cryptsy address tagging?

Do you have a few of the cryptsy addresses receiving these 10,000 + groups?   I'd like to verify they belong to cryptsy.  
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So somehow you are mixing hashstaker payouts, site balances, paybase balances and ganza dump on your faces all together into a jumble of hip hop mixing money laundering madness on the blockchain.  Now with hyperflux superstake™

So how many hashstakers are there?

Based on what I've seen here a hashstaker is a database item which requires no XPY and no tangible backing therefore there is no limit to them? 

What specifically are you looking for?  The number of mortal + immortal stakers currently paying out?

Yes... Paying out. And how many filled. I understand there is a difference now because some unfilled stakers are paying out.

Which gets me thinking (never a good sign) - does anyone know for sure that Garza doesn't have a large Zencloud account? Or a few?
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The vast majority of dumps occur in HUGE chunks of 10s of thousands of coins. Look for yourself, I would say that at LEAST 90% of dumps happen in 10,000+ groups. The vast majority of deposits are TINY- usually like 1 XPY- but up to 100, and rarely up to maybe 500 XPY- but MOSTLY like 1-10 XPY per transaction- literally.  To think that someone is sitting there withdrawing 50,000 coins to his Cryptsy account in random amounts between .1 and 100 XPY per transaction (meaning hundreds or thousands of manual transactions to accumulate enough for a single days dumpage)  day after day is complete idiocy.
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There is also the issue that the vast majority of dumping occurs in chunks of 10,20, 50,000+ XPY. The dumps do not occur in 10-20-100 XPY chunks, but ALL of the deposits going to Cryptsy DO happen in these small amounts. The actions happening on exchanges do NOT relate to a multitude of small players, but rather, to one or perhaps a few large ones. However you slice it, the "it's Hastaker's dumping" story simply does not add up, and never did.

All transfers from zencloud to cryptsy occur in the amounts of 10,000 20,000 and 50,000?  or all of the transfers to and from the big wallet you listed occur in those amounts?  I'm confused on what you are saying?

I'm not saying it isn't a private individual dumping on your faces.  You know way more about what happens on the blockchain than I do.  

Who determined that the cryptsy addresses are cryptsy addresses and not a series of warm/cold/hot wallets that are mislabeled?  
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So somehow you are mixing hashstaker payouts, site balances, paybase balances and ganza dump on your faces all together into a jumble of hip hop mixing money laundering madness on the blockchain.  Now with hyperflux superstake™

So how many hashstakers are there?

50 Garzillion. Give or take a few Garzillion. And nobody knows how many of these actually belong to Garza...
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So somehow you are mixing hashstaker payouts, site balances, paybase balances and ganza dump on your faces all together into a jumble of hip hop mixing money laundering madness on the blockchain.  Now with hyperflux superstake™

So how many hashstakers are there?

Based on what I've seen here a hashstaker is a database item which requires no XPY and no tangible backing therefore there is no limit to them? 

What specifically are you looking for?  The number of mortal + immortal stakers currently paying out?
legendary
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https://bpip.org
So somehow you are mixing hashstaker payouts, site balances, paybase balances and ganza dump on your faces all together into a jumble of hip hop mixing money laundering madness on the blockchain.  Now with hyperflux superstake™

So how many hashstakers are there?
sr. member
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There is also the issue that the vast majority of dumping occurs in chunks of 10,20, 50,000+ XPY. The dumps do not occur in 10-20-100 XPY chunks, but ALL of the deposits going to Cryptsy DO happen in these small amounts. The actions happening on exchanges do NOT relate to a multitude of small players, but rather, to one or perhaps a few large ones. However you slice it, the "it's Hastaker's dumping" story simply does not add up, and never did.
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I would really like for someone to explain this but since we are not going to get that - my best guess is that 50k chunks refill the hot wallet and the rest of it is customer withdrawals. I think I traced one of my own somewhere there. I'll see if I can dig up a TX.

Why aren't you going to get that?  At least ask. 

Ask whom? You? Someone in Singapore? I think we found out just recently that it's impossible for us mortals to figure out who's accountable for what in XPY universe.

Come on, PR has been going on about this "shuffle" for months, nobody cares about that except to bitch about PR and bitpop on those hangout things.

I know way less than you.  I am just willing to ask for things like signed addresses and details about ownership.

The XPY.io system is run by Team Paycoin/XPY.  You can ask @grav as he apparently is the guy in singapore.

I'm not sure why it is bad that people in XPY talk about Paul Revere he clearly watches the blockchain more than anyone else involved in paycoin.   

Fair enough. I'm not going to register on yet another forum or otherwise hunt for that information, getting tired of this. If they don't want to volunteer it on their website or whatever - their problem.

Maybe some of this is as you say. Are you contending that Hashtaker payouts have been at minimum 2,640,000 XPY in the last two months? What would that make the entire number of Paycoins in Hashtakers if there are ~1,300,000 XPY per month being paid out? Why was the number not larger before 90 day stakers expired? To me the numbers do not add up, but maybe I am missing something here.

~0.29 XPY per staker per month. Which would make it 4+ million stakers, meaning that many coins should be locked up but the wallet doesn't have that many. Even the 15 controllers that BCI controls (and has been giving away to Cryptsy?) don't have that much.

See miaviator what I'm taking about? Tired of this.

Not sure why you are using pre and post garza numbers.   I understand PRs theory that nothing has changed.

Remember people have balances in Zencloud which they can withdraw whenever.  People have balances in paybase that they have to withdraw in the next 60 days.

So somehow you are mixing hashstaker payouts, site balances, paybase balances and ganza dump on your faces all together into a jumble of hip hop mixing money laundering madness on the blockchain.  Now with hyperflux superstake™
legendary
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I would really like for someone to explain this but since we are not going to get that - my best guess is that 50k chunks refill the hot wallet and the rest of it is customer withdrawals. I think I traced one of my own somewhere there. I'll see if I can dig up a TX.

Why aren't you going to get that?  At least ask. 

Ask whom? You? Someone in Singapore? I think we found out just recently that it's impossible for us mortals to figure out who's accountable for what in XPY universe.

Come on, PR has been going on about this "shuffle" for months, nobody cares about that except to bitch about PR and bitpop on those hangout things.

I know way less than you.  I am just willing to ask for things like signed addresses and details about ownership.

The XPY.io system is run by Team Paycoin/XPY.  You can ask @grav as he apparently is the guy in singapore.

I'm not sure why it is bad that people in XPY talk about Paul Revere he clearly watches the blockchain more than anyone else involved in paycoin.   

Fair enough. I'm not going to register on yet another forum or otherwise hunt for that information, getting tired of this. If they don't want to volunteer it on their website or whatever - their problem.

Maybe some of this is as you say. Are you contending that Hashtaker payouts have been at minimum 2,640,000 XPY in the last two months? What would that make the entire number of Paycoins in Hashtakers if there are ~1,300,000 XPY per month being paid out? Why was the number not larger before 90 day stakers expired? To me the numbers do not add up, but maybe I am missing something here.

~0.29 XPY per staker per month. Which would make it 4+ million stakers, meaning that many coins should be locked up but the wallet doesn't have that many. Even the 15 controllers that BCI controls (and has been giving away to Cryptsy?) don't have that much.

See miaviator what I'm taking about? Tired of this.
sr. member
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I would really like for someone to explain this but since we are not going to get that - my best guess is that 50k chunks refill the hot wallet and the rest of it is customer withdrawals. I think I traced one of my own somewhere there. I'll see if I can dig up a TX.

Why aren't you going to get that?  At least ask. 

Maybe some of this is as you say. Are you contending that Hashtaker payouts have been at minimum 2,640,000 XPY in the last two months? What would that make the entire number of Paycoins in Hashtakers if there are ~1,300,000 XPY per month being paid out? Why was the number not larger before 90 day stakers expired? To me the numbers do not add up, but maybe I am missing something here.

donator
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I would really like for someone to explain this but since we are not going to get that - my best guess is that 50k chunks refill the hot wallet and the rest of it is customer withdrawals. I think I traced one of my own somewhere there. I'll see if I can dig up a TX.

Why aren't you going to get that?  At least ask. 

Ask whom? You? Someone in Singapore? I think we found out just recently that it's impossible for us mortals to figure out who's accountable for what in XPY universe.

Come on, PR has been going on about this "shuffle" for months, nobody cares about that except to bitch about PR and bitpop on those hangout things.

I know way less than you.  I am just willing to ask for things like signed addresses and details about ownership.

The XPY.io system is run by Team Paycoin/XPY.  You can ask @grav as he apparently is the guy in singapore.

I'm not sure why it is bad that people in XPY talk about Paul Revere he clearly watches the blockchain more than anyone else involved in paycoin.   
legendary
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https://bpip.org
I would really like for someone to explain this but since we are not going to get that - my best guess is that 50k chunks refill the hot wallet and the rest of it is customer withdrawals. I think I traced one of my own somewhere there. I'll see if I can dig up a TX.

Why aren't you going to get that?  At least ask. 

Ask whom? You? Someone in Singapore? I think we found out just recently that it's impossible for us mortals to figure out who's accountable for what in XPY universe.

Come on, PR has been going on about this "shuffle" for months, nobody cares about that except to bitch about PR and bitpop on those hangout things.
donator
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It's for the children!
I would really like for someone to explain this but since we are not going to get that - my best guess is that 50k chunks refill the hot wallet and the rest of it is customer withdrawals. I think I traced one of my own somewhere there. I'll see if I can dig up a TX.

Why aren't you going to get that?  At least ask. 
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