I have one question:
If you have no idea what a Hashlet is mining (let's just assume it exists and is mining something for right now) then how can you make any extrapolations about future performance or potential difficulty increases?
Topic: GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-) - page 221. (Read 262935 times)
August 18, 2014, 10:18:29 AM
August 18, 2014, 08:03:28 AM
In my experience, gaw always over promise and under deliver, say they will make up for it with compensation, then try to get out of paying said compensation.
If it sounds to good to be true....
He is not getting a cent of me. Lesson learnt.
If it sounds to good to be true....
He is not getting a cent of me. Lesson learnt.
What are you talking about? How about other lesser companies? They are more trustworthy in your opinion? Why you don't trust GAW the biggest and most reputable company on the crypto market? Can you show me better alternative? Because seriously, I can't find any better offer.
there are no other better alternative...every asic company is crap...GAW is the first asic company i've actually bought from..but i've been mining for awhile now and only been buying 2nd hand cause least i know what time frame i'll get the units and can actually make ROI...i have no idea what these hosted gaw units will bring ROI wise...but it looked good on paper and i'll see how this plays out
look what bfl did...start off as a great giant company, and did pretty good at start, then look what happened to them...right down the crapper...same with KNC...start off great, then flip the switch n turn to shit...who is to say gaw won't do the same? with all their bold claims (just like every other asic company before) my bet is they'll follow suit to all the other companies...and least gaw is actually legit...look at all the fake ones that screwed everyone over...AMT...etc etc
and you sit here and try and defend gaw after all the troubles they had from shipping to whatever else...so i guess they really don't like to ship the units now that their trying to get everything just hosted...ok can ya really trust a company that can't even figure out how to ship their damn units right? I mean come on ppl...so tired of everyone getting taken advantage of by these big companies...and yes if gaw does mess up i'll be one of them, but i've made my profit already in this whole scheme of coins so it really won't hurt me all that much...wake up ppl, put down the glass of koolaid and think for yourself
And that is exactly why I decided to give GAW some of my trust. Their position is so far not really endangered by anything, and they are easily the biggest crypto mining company. It will be a long time before they are gone, believe me.
August 18, 2014, 07:10:34 AM
not screaming that their a scam, but always makes money is something that everyone should think about...if you came out with something like that, would you sell it? I don't think i would...why sell it when i just can use it and make endless money? doesn't make sense does it? the general public is blind to all this and should be asking those question but they just think of all the $$$ their going to make off this new scheme and shout "Shout up and take my money!!"
let's investigate the term always make money in a mathematical manner..if you take the Series 1BTC*Sum[1/k^2] with k from 1 to infinity as daily income..
day 1 = 1.000000 BTC
day 2 = 0.250000 BTC
day 3 = 0.111111 BTC
...
day 100 = 0.000100 BTC
day 101 = 0.000098 BTC
day 102 = 0.000096 BTC
...
day 1000 = 0.000001 BTC
so you always make money.. but the limit value = total paid value is always lower than PI^2/6 BTC = 1.645 BTC . so you can easily promise "always make money" , when the money is simply low enough!
August 18, 2014, 06:04:28 AM
Oh, on the low prices, with the drop of BTC in recent days prices of the S3 (of which I'd like to have a few more 
) :
0.58 BTC at Bitmain for the S3+ for shipping on the 20th of September (that one does minimum 453 Gh/s)
0.66 BTC at Bitmain for the S3 batch 7 that ships in two days (which was sold out)
499,99 in the ZenCloud ZenMarket, unavailable online on their "open" website atm. That's a bit more than 1 BTC.
I'd like to buy 3-4 more of those with hosting but not with these markups.
And I do agree that so far (in my experiences) GAW does a lot better than a lot of the other ASIC companies.
) :0.58 BTC at Bitmain for the S3+ for shipping on the 20th of September (that one does minimum 453 Gh/s)
0.66 BTC at Bitmain for the S3 batch 7 that ships in two days (which was sold out)
499,99 in the ZenCloud ZenMarket, unavailable online on their "open" website atm. That's a bit more than 1 BTC.
I'd like to buy 3-4 more of those with hosting but not with these markups.
And I do agree that so far (in my experiences) GAW does a lot better than a lot of the other ASIC companies.
August 18, 2014, 05:54:15 AM
In my experience, gaw always over promise and under deliver, say they will make up for it with compensation, then try to get out of paying said compensation.
If it sounds to good to be true....
He is not getting a cent of me. Lesson learnt.
If it sounds to good to be true....
He is not getting a cent of me. Lesson learnt.
What are you talking about? How about other lesser companies? They are more trustworthy in your opinion? Why you don't trust GAW the biggest and most reputable company on the crypto market? Can you show me better alternative? Because seriously, I can't find any better offer.
there are no other better alternative...every asic company is crap...GAW is the first asic company i've actually bought from..but i've been mining for awhile now and only been buying 2nd hand cause least i know what time frame i'll get the units and can actually make ROI...i have no idea what these hosted gaw units will bring ROI wise...but it looked good on paper and i'll see how this plays out
look what bfl did...start off as a great giant company, and did pretty good at start, then look what happened to them...right down the crapper...same with KNC...start off great, then flip the switch n turn to shit...who is to say gaw won't do the same? with all their bold claims (just like every other asic company before) my bet is they'll follow suit to all the other companies...and least gaw is actually legit...look at all the fake ones that screwed everyone over...AMT...etc etc
and you sit here and try and defend gaw after all the troubles they had from shipping to whatever else...so i guess they really don't like to ship the units now that their trying to get everything just hosted...ok can ya really trust a company that can't even figure out how to ship their damn units right? I mean come on ppl...so tired of everyone getting taken advantage of by these big companies...and yes if gaw does mess up i'll be one of them, but i've made my profit already in this whole scheme of coins so it really won't hurt me all that much...wake up ppl, put down the glass of koolaid and think for yourself
That's why I chose this company. I've been researching the matter for a few weeks and almost half of this business looks like a scam at first glance. Some never delivered (AMT, Alpha, MAT), some have ongoing lawsuits and problems (BFL, Cointerra, BA), and some offer no refunds and (from what I heard) delay shipments to mine with the hardware (KNC). There's a few I'd trust but out of these some offer hardware that isn't really efficient (Zeus, LA) and e are left with what? SP tech, that just changed their specs? These along with Bitmain and Gridseed are sold by GAW at low prices.
August 18, 2014, 03:11:13 AM
no anwer to my issue yet 
August 17, 2014, 09:20:27 PM
In my experience, gaw always over promise and under deliver, say they will make up for it with compensation, then try to get out of paying said compensation.
If it sounds to good to be true....
He is not getting a cent of me. Lesson learnt.
If it sounds to good to be true....
He is not getting a cent of me. Lesson learnt.
What are you talking about? How about other lesser companies? They are more trustworthy in your opinion? Why you don't trust GAW the biggest and most reputable company on the crypto market? Can you show me better alternative? Because seriously, I can't find any better offer.
August 17, 2014, 09:11:12 PM
In my experience, gaw always over promise and under deliver, say they will make up for it with compensation, then try to get out of paying said compensation.
If it sounds to good to be true....
He is not getting a cent of me. Lesson learnt.
If it sounds to good to be true....
He is not getting a cent of me. Lesson learnt.
August 17, 2014, 08:28:18 PM
So as I can imagine you want to discredit this project as much as you can. Maybe first buy this service and see for yourself as good it really is.
I have posted some quotes. How does quoting the CEO discredit the "project"?
And yes, I do own some hashlets. I'm not seeing the greatness yet but I'm sure it will come.
August 17, 2014, 08:13:51 PM
how good it is? lol
August 17, 2014, 08:11:20 PM
GAW_CEO is soliciting questions on hashtalk:
https://hashtalk.org/t/questions-you-have/6487
I have some good ones but I'm banned unfortunately
Edit: I can't resist some good quotes:
In response about SHA256 support:
This is from another thread:
https://hashtalk.org/t/data-center-pictures/6448
So as I can imagine you want to discredit this project as much as you can. Maybe first buy this service and see for yourself as good it really is. https://hashtalk.org/t/questions-you-have/6487
I have some good ones but I'm banned unfortunately
Edit: I can't resist some good quotes:
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We have not given out a lot of info about zenpool by design. Many other pools are either trying to buy up the same pools we are, or trying to figure out our methods to replicate it.
In response about SHA256 support:
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Yes, and many other algorithms. In fact, many are being tested now
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Naturally if the market gets to a point that a mh is so small that it does not even make a penny (let's say 50 years from now), then it would be out if our control. Let me think on that
This is from another thread:
https://hashtalk.org/t/data-center-pictures/6448
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I will have some [pictures] put up, knowing that "conspiracist" will continue to find issues with our "proof" and never be satisfied. The majority of those individuals are not looking for proof, they are looking for to continue negitive speculation so there is something to talk about.
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I will have some [pictures] taken over the coming weeks. Please be patient as there are some "proprietary" pieces of equipment I have to have moved so they are not in the pictures
August 17, 2014, 06:17:38 PM
GAW_CEO is soliciting questions on hashtalk:
https://hashtalk.org/t/questions-you-have/6487
I have some good ones but I'm banned unfortunately
Edit: I can't resist some good quotes:
In response about SHA256 support:
This is from another thread:
https://hashtalk.org/t/data-center-pictures/6448
https://hashtalk.org/t/questions-you-have/6487
I have some good ones but I'm banned unfortunately
Edit: I can't resist some good quotes:
Quote
We have not given out a lot of info about zenpool by design. Many other pools are either trying to buy up the same pools we are, or trying to figure out our methods to replicate it.
In response about SHA256 support:
Quote
Yes, and many other algorithms. In fact, many are being tested now
Quote
Naturally if the market gets to a point that a mh is so small that it does not even make a penny (let's say 50 years from now), then it would be out if our control. Let me think on that
This is from another thread:
https://hashtalk.org/t/data-center-pictures/6448
Quote
I will have some [pictures] put up, knowing that "conspiracist" will continue to find issues with our "proof" and never be satisfied. The majority of those individuals are not looking for proof, they are looking for to continue negitive speculation so there is something to talk about.
Quote
I will have some [pictures] taken over the coming weeks. Please be patient as there are some "proprietary" pieces of equipment I have to have moved so they are not in the pictures
August 17, 2014, 05:19:33 PM
i have submited ticked, but i doubt the problem is that im outside US
August 17, 2014, 04:52:26 PM
placed order on their website for 1 MH ; they took money from my card, sent me email that i purchased 1 Hashlet and thats it
wtf
wtf
You should receive an e-mail from [email protected] within 24 hours, usually much sooner, with a redeemable code and instructions how to use it. Check spam folders etc.
there is something weird, im looking at the order details and :
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Payment Status: authorized
but also :
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Order Cancelled on August 17, 2014 05:04PM
other
other
Thing is i didnt canceled anything
Probably some false alarm by anti-fraud protection. You seem to be based outside of the US, that might be part of the reason. I would suggest to contact support with your order details. And keep an eye on your card, make sure there is a refund within a few days.
August 17, 2014, 04:28:45 PM
placed order on their website for 1 MH ; they took money from my card, sent me email that i purchased 1 Hashlet and thats it
wtf
wtf
You should receive an e-mail from [email protected] within 24 hours, usually much sooner, with a redeemable code and instructions how to use it. Check spam folders etc.
there is something weird, im looking at the order details and :
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Payment Status: authorized
but also :
Quote
Order Cancelled on August 17, 2014 05:04PM
other
other
Thing is i didnt canceled anything
August 17, 2014, 04:19:26 PM
placed order on their website for 1 MH ; they took money from my card, sent me email that i purchased 1 Hashlet and thats it
wtf
wtf
You should receive an e-mail from [email protected] within 24 hours, usually much sooner, with a redeemable code and instructions how to use it. Check spam folders etc.
August 17, 2014, 04:13:49 PM
placed order on their website for 1 MH ; they took money from my card, sent me email that i purchased 1 Hashlet and thats it
wtf
wtf
August 17, 2014, 03:23:34 PM
very munch speculation here.. let's see how the hashlet performs in the following weeks und judge then..
Josh has seen our concerns as well.. https://hashtalk.org/t/data-center-pictures/6448
by the way: ZenPool shows 106 GH by now.. so if 75% of the Hashlet buyers use Zenpool, we can calculate:
in the last 24 hours 141.333 Mh were sold, for 2.259.914,67 USD
Josh has seen our concerns as well.. https://hashtalk.org/t/data-center-pictures/6448
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Against my better judgement, I am going to have some pictures taken of some of our data centers.
by the way: ZenPool shows 106 GH by now.. so if 75% of the Hashlet buyers use Zenpool, we can calculate:
in the last 24 hours 141.333 Mh were sold, for 2.259.914,67 USD
August 17, 2014, 02:20:49 PM
Saw this on hashtalk forum. A must read for all of you.
https://hashtalk.org/t/gaw-takes-down-entire-shopify-network-for-hashlet-launch/6199
https://hashtalk.org/t/gaw-takes-down-entire-shopify-network-for-hashlet-launch/6199
August 17, 2014, 01:39:08 PM
i have some insider information which proof that two weeks ago, GAW and Zenminer were really two sepparate, competing companies ( i can not tell you more details.. ) . so everybody who thinks this is a long planned fraud system might be wrong.. so i might say the $8 Million story is true.. ( http://www.coindesk.com/gaw-zenminer-8-million/ ) zenminer had better prices than GAW ( store.zenminer.com was occasionally 20% cheaper than gawminers.com) , so they had to assimilate them
You would do a great service for the community if you shared that proof otherwise you're just fueling the fire. ZenMiner only ever hosted products sold by GAW and it has never done anything outside of GAW, including the ZenController, so for all intents and purposed they never competed.
I get what you're trying to say about pricing and lack of pyramid structure etc. But it doesn't address ANY of the ridiculous claims made in the hashlet announcement. See the bolded parts in my first post. If you can address any of those, please do.
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