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Topic: GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-) - page 8. (Read 262834 times)

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Attention ALL community members here on BitcoinTalk.org

As of today, November 10th, 2014, GAW/Zen has reportedly sought the assistance of a Los Angeles based law firm to issue cease and desist communications to members of THIS public forum, not theirs, in what appears to be an attempt to censor those who have legitimate and factual claims against the alleged less-than ethical business processes and moral standing of GAW/Zen, its "CEO", and the various BDA’s they use.

Irrespective of numerous peoples’ opinions published here and elsewhere on the Internet regarding GAW/Zen continually proving their fundamental M.O. is that of an elaborate SCAM in every sense of the word, this law firm has apparently taken it upon itself to either ignore the harm/losses dozens if not hundreds of previous GAW/Zen customers have been forced to endure or feel it is more appropriate to threaten legal action against those exercising their Constitutional rights rather than facilitating a thorough due-diligence investigation of their own client.

Although I too have received a communication simply titled “Cease and Desist Letter” with a .pdf attachment from this law firm to one of my business email addresses, I refuse to open any such attachments or speculate on what the .pdf specifically says, if anything, as I do not know firsthand who the sender is or if the attachment contains anything potentially damaging to my system or network. Regardless, I would like to invite anyone else who is a US citizen and has also received any communication directly from GAW/Zen, any of their DBA’s, or this (or any other) law firm to contact my Mining Advocates Organization with their story at [email protected] in preparation of the potential establishment of our own legal offensive to ensure this type of conduct by what can be seen as a questionable business, its "CEO", and/or a retained yet misguided law firm is not allowed to overtake the protections guaranteed to us by the United States Constitution and its amended Bill of Rights in addition to Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR).

Thank you,
Scott Booth


Interesting... so how did they get your email address? Did you voluntarily/accidently disclose that to them? Did they track it down from using their service/email communications? Subpoena a provider? Illegally acquire it? These things are very important to determine from the very start.

But you do have the freedom of speech to say what you want, but you have to be responsible for that speech. IE slander, misrepresentations and other aspects of it. But if you can prove this is what you honestly believe, think or actually happened then not much they can do except play the intimidation game and try to shut up a disgruntled customer... which alot of companies do try to do.

It's all a matter of is it worth it to get into a legal pissing match with them? The a CnD is an opening shot, even if you say "oh ok I will abide by their request" that doesnt mean that solves the problem. Maybe it will, Maybe not because later they could still make a run at you. Also there is a thing called "voluntary agreement/acceptance through silence."  

I am not trying to give you legal advice, but hypothetically speaking I may know a little about these things?  






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Attention ALL community members here on BitcoinTalk.org

As of today, November 10th, 2014, GAW/Zen has reportedly sought the assistance of a Los Angeles based law firm to issue cease and desist communications to members of THIS public forum, not theirs, in what appears to be an attempt to censor those who have legitimate and factual claims against the alleged less-than ethical business processes and moral standing of GAW/Zen, its "CEO", and the various BDA’s they use.

Irrespective of numerous peoples’ opinions published here and elsewhere on the Internet regarding GAW/Zen continually proving their fundamental M.O. is that of an elaborate SCAM in every sense of the word, this law firm has apparently taken it upon itself to either ignore the harm/losses dozens if not hundreds of previous GAW/Zen customers have been forced to endure or feel it is more appropriate to threaten legal action against those exercising their Constitutional rights rather than facilitating a thorough due-diligence investigation of their own client.

Although I too have received a communication simply titled “Cease and Desist Letter” with a .pdf attachment from this law firm to one of my business email addresses, I refuse to open any such attachments or speculate on what the .pdf specifically says, if anything, as I do not know firsthand who the sender is or if the attachment contains anything potentially damaging to my system or network. Regardless, I would like to invite anyone else who is a US citizen and has also received any communication directly from GAW/Zen, any of their DBA’s, or this (or any other) law firm to contact my Mining Advocates Organization with their story at [email protected] in preparation of the potential establishment of our own legal offensive to ensure this type of conduct by what can be seen as a questionable business, its "CEO", and/or a retained yet misguided law firm is not allowed to overtake the protections guaranteed to us by the United States Constitution and its amended Bill of Rights in addition to Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR).

Thank you,
Scott Booth


What you need to find is the original statement of that ZenPool will always be the highest paying pool.  Then get times and dates of when they gave out prime codes that gave out 25mh/s primes instead of 1mh/s primes and that's about the time that ZenPool crashed for the first time.  Then when they released hashpool and how ZenPool crashed at almost exactly the same time.  There seems to be some bait and switching going on right there.
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can we crowdsource a legal defence fund?
At some point, that may be a possibility, but at this moment my focus is elsewhere - collecting data and other "discovery".

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Attention ALL community members here on BitcoinTalk.org

As of today, November 10th, 2014, GAW/Zen has reportedly sought the assistance of a Los Angeles based law firm to issue cease and desist communications to members of THIS public forum, not theirs, in what appears to be an attempt to censor those who have legitimate and factual claims against the alleged less-than ethical business processes and moral standing of GAW/Zen, its "CEO", and the various BDA’s they use.

Irrespective of numerous peoples’ opinions published here and elsewhere on the Internet regarding GAW/Zen continually proving their fundamental M.O. is that of an elaborate SCAM in every sense of the word, this law firm has apparently taken it upon itself to either ignore the harm/losses dozens if not hundreds of previous GAW/Zen customers have been forced to endure or feel it is more appropriate to threaten legal action against those exercising their Constitutional rights rather than facilitating a thorough due-diligence investigation of their own client.

Although I too have received a communication simply titled “Cease and Desist Letter” with a .pdf attachment from this law firm to one of my business email addresses, I refuse to open any such attachments or speculate on what the .pdf specifically says, if anything, as I do not know firsthand who the sender is or if the attachment contains anything potentially damaging to my system or network. Regardless, I would like to invite anyone else who is a US citizen and has also received any communication directly from GAW/Zen, any of their DBA’s, or this (or any other) law firm to contact my Mining Advocates Organization with their story at [email protected] in preparation of the potential establishment of our own legal offensive to ensure this type of conduct by what can be seen as a questionable business, its "CEO", and/or a retained yet misguided law firm is not allowed to overtake the protections guaranteed to us by the United States Constitution and its amended Bill of Rights in addition to Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR).

Thank you,
Scott Booth

can we crowdsource a legal defence fund?
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Attention ALL community members here on BitcoinTalk.org

As of today, November 10th, 2014, GAW/Zen has reportedly sought the assistance of a Los Angeles based law firm to issue cease and desist communications to members of THIS public forum, not theirs, in what appears to be an attempt to censor those who have legitimate and factual claims against the alleged less-than ethical business processes and moral standing of GAW/Zen, its "CEO", and the various BDA’s they use.

Irrespective of numerous peoples’ opinions published here and elsewhere on the Internet regarding GAW/Zen continually proving their fundamental M.O. is that of a likely and elaborate SCAM in every sense of the word, this law firm has apparently taken it upon itself to either ignore the harm/losses dozens if not hundreds of previous GAW/Zen customers have been forced to endure or feel it is more appropriate to threaten legal action against those exercising their Constitutional rights rather than facilitating a thorough due-diligence investigation of their own client.

Although I too have received a communication simply titled “Cease and Desist Letter” with a .pdf attachment from this law firm to one of my business email addresses, I refuse to open any such attachments or speculate on what the .pdf specifically says, if anything, as I do not know firsthand who the sender is or if the attachment contains anything potentially damaging to my system or network. Regardless, I would like to invite anyone else who is a US citizen and has also received any communication directly from GAW/Zen, any of their DBA’s, or this (or any other) law firm to contact my Mining Advocates Organization with their story at [email protected] in preparation of the potential establishment of our own legal offensive to ensure this type of conduct by what can be seen as a questionable business, its "CEO", and/or a retained yet misguided law firm is not allowed to overtake the protections guaranteed to us by the United States Constitution and its amended Bill of Rights in addition to Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR).

Thank you,
Scott Booth
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The account is only "suspended" from twitter and not banned. What I think happened is a lot of people reported you kind of like a shadowban and twitter will review it. I do not think they will ban your account. I would bet he tells his cult to report you. Your account will also get suspended if a lot of people report it as a account that was hacked and or compromised (I think thats what he did). Twitter wil investigation and if you want to speed up the process just fill this form out

https://support.twitter.com/forms/general?subtopic=suspended


Its funny to see all of this happen, him trying to control everything...

already did, and your theory is probably correct

I say in a couple of hours you will have your account back Smiley. If not sooner!


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The account is only "suspended" from twitter and not banned. What I think happened is a lot of people reported you kind of like a shadowban and twitter will review it. I do not think they will ban your account. I would bet he tells his cult to report you. Your account will also get suspended if a lot of people report it as a account that was hacked and or compromised (I think thats what he did). Twitter wil investigation and if you want to speed up the process just fill this form out

https://support.twitter.com/forms/general?subtopic=suspended


Its funny to see all of this happen, him trying to control everything...

already did, and your theory is probably correct
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Jay I think that post of yours will not show on his feed if he blocks you. I said a couple of pages back to take this information and post it on social media, bitcointalk is good but not as good as twitter, reddit, facebook etc. Lots more people read the other sites.
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The account is only "suspended" from twitter and not banned. What I think happened is a lot of people reported you kind of like a shadowban and twitter will review it. I do not think they will ban your account. I would bet he tells his cult to report you. Your account will also get suspended if a lot of people report it as a account that was hacked and or compromised (I think thats what he did). Twitter wil investigation and if you want to speed up the process just fill this form out

https://support.twitter.com/forms/general?subtopic=suspended


Its funny to see all of this happen, him trying to control everything...
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@NeonTranceBadger I figured it out. You have to reply to the last person that tweeted, that being the State Farm Guy for me. I first made my tweets @gawceo but they only showed up on my page. Then I tweeted @JakeACRN @gawceo and they showed up on Josh's.

Maybe you don't have to do it that way, I'm sure theres a better an easier way, but that's the only way i got to see my tweets on his page

I have no clue how twitter works but the last thing I see on that page is this:

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rootdude ‏@rootdude  Nov 9
@gawceo  please don't accelerate anything. Time is on our side #patience

I'm not logged in. It looks like like I'm limited to first 20 or so.

https://twitter.com/gawceo/status/531549875226546176
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@NeonTranceBadger I figured it out. You have to reply to the last person that tweeted, that being the State Farm Guy for me. I first made my tweets @gawceo but they only showed up on my page. Then I tweeted @JakeACRN @gawceo and they showed up on Josh's.

Maybe you don't have to do it that way, I'm sure theres a better an easier way, but that's the only way i got to see my tweets on his page

I have no clue how twitter works but the last thing I see on that page is this:

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rootdude ‏@rootdude  Nov 9
@gawceo  please don't accelerate anything. Time is on our side #patience

I'm not logged in. It looks like like I'm limited to first 20 or so.
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@NeonTranceBadger I figured it out. You have to reply to the last person that tweeted, that being the State Farm Guy for me. I first made my tweets @gawceo but they only showed up on my page. Then I tweeted @JakeACRN @gawceo and they showed up on Josh's.

Maybe you don't have to do it that way, I'm sure theres a better an easier way, but that's the only way i got to see my tweets on his page
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Well Mr asshole josh Garza got my twitter account suspended for what i don't see is a violation of any twitter terms, hes even trying to control twitter dissension, @Jay_Endo1 is my twitter handle, someone here posted one of my tweets here in the past and sent me some btc for posting it, just thought i would share. Edit: this is why i got suspended according to twitter: https://twitter.com/Jay_Endo1/status/531573925516681217


Can't see why you got suspended.
Josh Garza ‏@gawceo  Nov 9
Round two is on track, but I just heard we may have to cancel round three. Round one investors have a large appetite #HashCoin
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@gawceo So you're going to fuck everyone that blindly trusted? Nice JOSH! this is all coming to an end sooner than i thought...
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I think we can see why he didn't like it Smiley

Is there a twitter policy against four letter words? That's about the only thing I could imagine being a problem.


Not that i can find, guessing he must advertise with twitter and used clout? I have no idea.... just insane lengths he will go to too shut people up

I just posted to his account saying cancel round 3 so people have to buy Primes so GAW make 10% just before this coin fails.

Kept it simple, not to mean and no curse words.  Lets see if my account gets suspended.  

Just letting you know he has people monitoring all these forums... Was told that by him when I sent a PM to get un-banned from hashtalk.. What goes through my mind is WHY? Why should he care about these chats? only someone hiding something would worry.. It just seems like a big waste of resources and time..

besides twitter I've been banned from their reddit sub, had  3 accounts banned on hashtalk, 1 shadow banned on hash talk, i actually PMed josh from it and just told him i was tired of his crap and to please close my zen account and close  my worthless shadow banned account on hash talk account, he actually replied and obliged, oh and if he has people reading this i just purchased gawponzi.com, so I'll probably get a letter for that in the mail now...

Get an Onion pi or ToR or both... that will solve the banning problems

These are account bans I don't think it's based on IP addresses.

With ToR or an onion pi you can create as many new accounts as needed.  Grin Those onion pi's are worth every penny if you are into hard core security.

You can even use those rinky dink freebie squid proxy/servers on Firefox and they are pretty good... considering they are free.
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Just letting you know he has people monitoring all these forums... Was told that by him when I sent a PM to get un-banned from hashtalk.. What goes through my mind is WHY? Why should he care about these chats? only someone hiding something would worry.. It just seems like a big waste of resources and time..
CS and PR issues, eg someone accusing GAW of not allowing withdrawals from ZenCloud, or an issue popping up with shipping.

Hashtalk was used for those 2 purposes initially.. Now its Bitcointalk?
*shrugs*

They still check Bitcointalk if any issues pop up. There's a much larger userbase on Bitcointalk, so any negative PR here hits them harder than on Hashtalk, where they have greater control over the posting content, and the userbase is mostly existing customers.

IIRC, the scam accusation about ~100BTC was posted here first. Shipping complaints were also posted here (didn't see any on HT), and got an immediate reaction from Amber. I'm not sure if those issues have been resolved yet.
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"Josh Garza · 16m 16 minutes ago
I wanted to express my gratitude to all those that came out to our 1st round, even though we could not accommodate you all. I won't forget!"


:grinning: This is going down exactly as we predicted, a lot of people are going to get burned in the coming weeks.
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I just posted to his account saying cancel round 3 so people have to buy Primes so GAW make 10% just before this coin fails.
Kept it simple, not to mean and no curse words.  Lets see if my account gets suspended.
 

I don't see your post. Could you post the link here. Thanks.

Very bottom @NTB40k.  Never used twitter but trying to get into it.

I have an account but I've never posted and I've never read more than a few tweets. I never saw any need to do either. lol. Your post is on your profile but I  don't see it on his. https://twitter.com/gawceo/status/531549875226546176

Interesting... I have no idea cause I can see it.



That's weird because I don't see it. The last post I see is from: Jake From State Farm ‏@JakeACRN  8h

Thats exactly like a shadow ban on hashtalk. The user can see it but no one else can

That is REALLY FUCKED UP if that's the case. How is that even possible?

I posted this. I edited it a bit from what I posted here yesterday and put it in 2 tweets

There is NO White Paper. There was a mere draft posted that is still being altered per suggestions and feedback from customers. There is even great speculation and very well founded that the one formula they did release for hashcoin's distribution is written incorrectly. So how could Josh possibly have huge VC's investing hundreds of millions when there isn't anything concrete to invest in at all???
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I just posted to his account saying cancel round 3 so people have to buy Primes so GAW make 10% just before this coin fails.
Kept it simple, not to mean and no curse words.  Lets see if my account gets suspended.
 

I don't see your post. Could you post the link here. Thanks.

Very bottom @NTB40k.  Never used twitter but trying to get into it.

I have an account but I've never posted and I've never read more than a few tweets. I never saw any need to do either. lol. Your post is on your profile but I  don't see it on his. https://twitter.com/gawceo/status/531549875226546176

Interesting... I have no idea cause I can see it.




That's weird because I don't see it. The last post I see is from: Jake From State Farm ‏@JakeACRN  8h

Thats exactly like a shadow ban on hashtalk. The user can see it but no one else can
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I just posted to his account saying cancel round 3 so people have to buy Primes so GAW make 10% just before this coin fails.
Kept it simple, not to mean and no curse words.  Lets see if my account gets suspended.
 

I don't see your post. Could you post the link here. Thanks.

Very bottom @NTB40k.  Never used twitter but trying to get into it.

I have an account but I've never posted and I've never read more than a few tweets. I never saw any need to do either. lol. Your post is on your profile but I  don't see it on his. https://twitter.com/gawceo/status/531549875226546176

Interesting... I have no idea cause I can see it.



That's weird because I don't see it. The last post I see is from: Jake From State Farm ‏@JakeACRN  8h
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